Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.52.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

All this fragments and projections talk is reminding me of something Maya said very early in chapter 1, I think even before the first reset. About how if he thinks he could handle the sudden reemergence of a thousand lifetimes of memories suddenly crashing down on him. Or something to that effect.

It also seems like a painful process, which would probably cause most to fight against remembering things even if they could. Which makes me recall what Maya once said:

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Maya's Chapter 1 'Takoyaki' Event.

 

[DeSkel15]

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Back to seriousness though, YouDidIt/LongMaya (79) has clearly stated that Maya prime is a child of circumstance and her and Moyo are children of the clockwork. So I would think it's unlikely that they're related in being children of Maya Prime, or granddaughters.

Spoiler: Second sun

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Thus, it is also important to note that Moyo and YouDidIt are permanent. Which, for instance, is also different from Himawari's, whose existence is neither permanent nor temporary, but something that isn't defined yet - she's a possibility. And, just to point out all possible examples, we also have Nao-chan, which is simply something that should not exist altogether.

Even discounting that, Himawari also relates to Ayane and Akira with a care that is much different than the way YouDidIt and Moyo do to Maya and Akira.

Himawari confirming she has a soft spot for Akira. In regards to Ayane that's simply obvious.

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I would think that is close to being confirmed between Pareidolia declaring that he has been around for much longer than Maya prime (and saying that her being gone is similar to a tadpole being gobbled up by the mother frog = fragment of Maya being gobbled up by the original Maya), and the hints about a cycle of "Maya fixing him" then "Akira fixing her", both implied by New Maya and AmIOkay (when she's in the machine - which he also becomes a prisoner in a cycle later).

Spoiler: On the count of three

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There's also the seemingly Maya note that Maya Prime had no recollection of:

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Still hasn't really been explained as far as I recall, albeit, if New Maya writes this note, or reveals she doesn't know Sensei's password, it might suggest a few things.

 

[Moonflare]

There's also the seemingly Maya note that Maya Prime had no recollection of:

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Still hasn't really been explained as far as I recall, albeit, if New Maya writes this note, or reveals she doesn't know Sensei's password, it might suggest a few things.

Thank god you brought that up, I went to sleep last night thinking about that and the only possible other MM I thought about was Makoto Miyamura, since she's now also on the apocalypse squad (or Maki I guess, but that makes no sense). Moyo would also apply, but that's... unlikely.

But hey, maybe it was Mayonnaise Macaroni all along lol

Spoiler: paranoid

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Edit: there's also the Maya from the first reset that leads Akira to Saki (maybe Himawari) - but since we're pointing out Maya's that appear during resets that Maya prime doesn't know about...

On a second note, do we have a theory about this?

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Cause it seems to appear a lot as early as Haruka's house, maybe even earlier. Like is it just general smiley face that seems to be replaced in design as the game continued, or maybe it represents Pareidolia?

 

[joryuken]

correct me if I am wrong here but who is the maya that we see in the room with hope at the very beginning of the game? is she another being entirely?

 

[Moonflare]

correct me if I am wrong here but who is the maya that we see in the room with hope at the very beginning of the game? is she another being entirely?

At the very beginning? If you're referencing the happy event where she's stuck to a machine that's AmIOkay. Please name the event if possible.

Edit: AmIOkay deserves an investigation just about her to be honest. From being Akira's partner, to trying to escape the room with the clocks, to becoming an honorary angel to calling Akira Sekai, there's a lot going on there - she could even be the original Maya for all we know.

 

[joryuken]

correct me if I am wrong here but who is the maya that we see in the room with hope at the very beginning of the game?

At the very beginning? If you're referencing the happy event where she's stuck to a machine that's AmIOkay. Please name the event if possible.

Edit: AmIOkay deserves an investigation just about her to be honest. From being Akira's partner, to trying to escape the room with the clocks, to becoming an honorary angel to calling Akira Sekai, there's a lot going on there - she could even be the original Maya for all we know.

YEEEES HER!!!! and I think the event that she appears in is "How I feel"

 

[Riolol]

I like how she was initially just a background character, whose entire role was simply to make these weeb notes.

Actually that was a change in the Chapter 1 rework , originally the weebnotes were done by the narrator until Molly was introduced and started doing them. She was never meant to be a background character, she was just retconned to cameo a few times before her proper introduction.

 

[DeSkel15]

Thank god you brought that up, I went to sleep last night thinking about that and the only possible other MM I thought about was Makoto Miyamura, since she's now also on the apocalypse squad (or Maki I guess, but that makes no sense). Moyo would also apply, but that's... unlikely.

But hey, maybe it was Mayonnaise Macaroni all along lol

Spoiler: paranoid

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Edit: there's also the Maya from the first reset that leads Akira to Saki (maybe Himawari) - but since we're pointing out Maya's that appear during resets that Maya prime doesn't know about...

On a second note, do we have a theory about this?

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Cause it seems to appear a lot as early as Haruka's house, maybe even earlier. Like is it just general smiley face that seems to be replaced in design as the game continued, or maybe it represents Pareidolia?

Technically Maki, Makoto, Maya, Miku, and Molly, are all MMs, so it could be from any of them, yet it sounding like Maya to Maya is interesting.

The Smiley Face seems more of a generic thing, however both the Wire god and Himawari/Shapeshifter tend to use or talk about smiles, Pareidolia does as well (basically uses whatever it seems), but seems to prefer a neutral face, while HOPE prefers an upside down smiley face, and I guess Nao-chan uses a diagonal mouth face(?):

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Pareidolia does seem to use more messed up smiles and things so it could be an indication of it. Haruka's name also involves Haru which translates to Spring (and she's also a predator), so I do wonder if she's involved with Pareidolia in some way.

What is with all the smiles? Well, according to Himawari/Shapeshifter:

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Not entirely sure why, beyond how smiling can be an indication of happiness even if one isn't happy. Maya and Ami both seemed to want to know if Sensei was "happy here" early on:

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Which seems to be somewhat important considering it's also a thing from 'Nothing Is Beautiful':

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[Moonflare]

Technically Maki, Makoto, Maya, Miku, and Molly, are all MMs, so it could be from any of them, but it sounding like Maya to Maya is interesting.

The Smiley Face seems more of a generic thing, but both the Wire god and Himawari/Shapeshifter tend to use or talk about smiles, Pareidolia does as well (basically uses whatever it seems), but seems to prefer a neutral face, while HOPE prefers an upside down smiley face, and I guess Nao-chan uses a diagonal mouth face(?):

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Pareidolia does seem to use more messed up smiles so it could be an indication of it. Haruka's name also involves Haru which translates to Spring (and she's also a predator), so I do wonder if she's involved with Pareidolia in some way.

What is with all the smiles? Well, according to Himawari/Shapeshifter:

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Not entirely sure why, beyond how smiling can be an indication of happiness even if one isn't happy. Maya and Ami both seemed to want to know if Sensei was "happy here" early on:

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Which seems to be somewhat important considering it's also a thing from 'Nothing Is Beautiful':

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ooooooh from Maya to Maya would be extra interesting!

and I do wonder about Himawari's presence in the room with the clocks. Cause if one would predict a "fourth" person appearing there, logic would dictate it to be Sekai or whoever USER4 is, especially since it appears to go in order. Also because Himawari seems to guard or wait at the door out. Time will tell.

 

[Marie IV]

What is with all the smiles? Well, according to Himawari/Shapeshifter: [...] "Smile!" - "It's all there is to do here."

Obviously, this means that it's all so tiresome, it's all so over, nothing ever happens, no one will know anything, everyone will be happy, and that we should've never left the house—WHICH, of course, is an analogy for having never started the game in the first place.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Technically Maki, Makoto, Maya, Miku, and Molly, are all MMs, so it could be from any of them, yet it sounding like Maya to Maya is interesting.

The Smiley Face seems more of a generic thing, however both the Wire god and Himawari/Shapeshifter tend to use or talk about smiles, Pareidolia does as well (basically uses whatever it seems), but seems to prefer a neutral face, while HOPE prefers an upside down smiley face, and I guess Nao-chan uses a diagonal mouth face(?):

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Pareidolia does seem to use more messed up smiles and things so it could be an indication of it. Haruka's name also involves Haru which translates to Spring (and she's also a predator), so I do wonder if she's involved with Pareidolia in some way.

What is with all the smiles? Well, according to Himawari/Shapeshifter:

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Not entirely sure why, beyond how smiling can be an indication of happiness even if one isn't happy. Maya and Ami both seemed to want to know if Sensei was "happy here" early on:

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Which seems to be somewhat important considering it's also a thing from 'Nothing Is Beautiful':

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"Are you happy here"
"Are you happy here"

They are all fake
Their feelings aren't real
They might seem different
But it's the same ice cream
Just a different flavor
Just the same ice cream van trying to lure you in
Are you happy?
If you don't like this flavor, we have different kinds
Are you happy? Why aren't you happy? you can taste all the ice cream you want
Lick my icing, I can be any flavor you want
Choose me Akira Sensei, stay with me forever
WE ARE MEANT TO BE
WE ARE MEANT TO BE
WE ARE MEANT TO BE
WE ARE MEANT TO BE

 

[Bingoogus]

I've been directed to read the thread and that's the page I was on, currently on 937 now.

Who directed you and why? Just curious, you reacted to a few of my old posts from back then and it got me re-reading that event.

 

[Nadekai]

Who directed you and why? Just curious, you reacted to a few of my old posts from back then and it got me re-reading that event.

... Selebus whining ...
... How to make notifications work ...
... I feel like notifications roll a d20 whether they will appear or not ...

 

[Icarus Media]

Who directed you and why? Just curious, you reacted to a few of my old posts from back then and it got me re-reading that event.

https://f95zone.to/threads/push-back-on-the-bad-developers.210452/post-13888892

Read from here.

 

[Leoxsama]

Yes. In fact, it is hinted a couple of times that the Akira we're with is a fragment (or projection) of the actual Akira. Many narrators have said that he is a disembodied conscience stuck in the middle, neither in contact with the down or up. More recently, the same has been said about Touka - that they're all distortions (I think it's when she's talking with her mother about buying Akira off of Ami, but can't recall). Point is, all these people are said to be real but also not real. And the narrator hints that the exact answer to this will come much later.

So, yes, not only Maya, but there is a chance that all the people we're in contact with are fragments of the originals. As for Akira and Maya, it's even higher in chance because we've seen them in the room of the clocks (and some of the others have also been to - or have seen or heard - the room of the clocks, like Rin, Ami and Nodoka).



A lot of the new girls have. Noriko is seen at the background one time while with Rin outside of Koi Cafe, Io is seen in a shopping trip with Ami, Yasu talks with Akira during a trip that starts on Sana's door, Nodoka is the friend from the library with Futaba. There could have been more.

Id like to think that version of Akira who's talking gibberish during resets, happy events, or after those weird flashes/blackouts is one of Akira's fragments.

 

[Ma1phas]

Maya's Chapter 1 'Takoyaki' Event.

Oh, must have missed you'd already brought it up. sorry.

 

[Moonflare]

Id like to think that version of Akira who's talking gibberish during resets, happy events, or after those weird flashes/blackouts is one of Akira's fragments.

If you go back to "Tick Tock Tick Tock" Happy Event you'll get to see Akira watching a reflection of himself fucking AmIOkay, while AmIOkay aknowledges both of them existing at the same time.

Spoiler: Tick Tock Tick Tock

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(The following part has to do with other stuff surrounding the event, not the original topic)

This is probably the hardest Happy Event to understand because:

Spoiler: high level enigmas

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[aramaug]

Thank god you brought that up, I went to sleep last night thinking about that and the only possible other MM I thought about was Makoto Miyamura, since she's now also on the apocalypse squad (or Maki I guess, but that makes no sense). Moyo would also apply, but that's... unlikely.

But hey, maybe it was Mayonnaise Macaroni all along lol

Spoiler: paranoid

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Edit: there's also the Maya from the first reset that leads Akira to Saki (maybe Himawari) - but since we're pointing out Maya's that appear during resets that Maya prime doesn't know about...

Technically Maki, Makoto, Maya, Miku, and Molly, are all MMs, so it could be from any of them, yet it sounding like Maya to Maya is interesting.

The note is present in the second reset, so it predates the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad.

Spoiler: There is Nothing

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Even if it's not from the current timeline, it would have to be written during the time that Maya Prime was "awake" since she's been in the room countless times without noticing it before. Unless she's lying or her memory has been altered, Maya and various Senseis are the only ones who have been aware of the resets during that time.

"The same place as always" is odd wording when current Sensei has only met Maya on the roof for a reset once so far, and "in the event that you overslept" could apply to any day for Sensei. Almost makes me think it's misdirection and has nothing to do with the resets, but I can't propose an alternate meaning (or writer).

I don't think we have enough information to know who wrote it yet, but I'll throw out a couple other possibilities:
1. Maya Prime could have written it and somehow forgot (most likely from someone altering her memory). When discussing the fake journal, she says something like "I'm sure there are other things that I put in your room, I just can't remember them."
2. It could have been written by someone impersonating Maya even if they don't have the initials MM. Since the note is ostensibly helpful, Himawari is a candidate.

After seeing the note in "Somewhere Inside of a Dream," Maya writes a new note that we don't see the content of. In the next reset, someone has completely scribbled it out. So someone is actively messing with Sensei's wall.

Spoiler: A Life of Prizes

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[Bingoogus]

https://f95zone.to/threads/push-back-on-the-bad-developers.210452/post-13888892

Read from here.

Interesting, thanks. What did you make of your journey?

 

[DeSkel15]

The note is present in the second reset, so it predates the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad.

Spoiler: There is Nothing

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Even if it's not from the current timeline, it would have to be written during the time that Maya Prime was "awake" since she's been in the room countless times without noticing it before. Unless she's lying or her memory has been altered, Maya and various Senseis are the only ones who have been aware of the resets during that time.

"The same place as always" is odd wording when current Sensei has only met Maya on the roof for a reset once so far, and "in the event that you overslept" could apply to any day for Sensei. Almost makes me think it's misdirection and has nothing to do with the resets, but I can't propose an alternate meaning (or writer).

I don't think we have enough information to know who wrote it yet, but I'll throw out a couple other possibilities:
1. Maya Prime could have written it and somehow forgot (most likely from someone altering her memory). When discussing the fake journal, she says something like "I'm sure there are other things that I put in your room, I just can't remember them."
2. It could have been written by someone impersonating Maya even if they don't have the initials MM. Since the note is ostensibly helpful, Himawari is a candidate.

After seeing the note in "Somewhere Inside of a Dream," Maya writes a new note that we don't see the content of. In the next reset, someone has completely scribbled it out. So someone is actively messing with Sensei's wall.

Spoiler: A Life of Prizes

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"In the same place as always" is another phrase that tends to come up quite a bit:

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Considering Maya thought the note sounded like something she'd say:

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It seems likely that it is a Maya phrase, in particular, related to the rooftop, so whoever wrote that note seems aware of that at least.

Whether or not others have actually woken up, I'm not sure. Maya Prime may have only thought that she and Sensei were the only ones who did, but she may not even be the first "Maya Prime".

HOPE/Yasu seemed to imply basically everything has happened before:

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And there's plenty of it's all "part of a cycle" stuff. So, Maya's crumbling, may simply be one of those "landmarks" that always happens. It may be that something will or has brought Maya Prime back before, which was the Maya Prime of this timeline, and something will do similar when it comes to the next Maya Prime for the next timeline like this.

Assuming the Wishing Well drying up isn't something actually new to the Resets. Which seems somewhat doubtful considering it's implications.

I'd assume based off how things still move forward while only certain things get reset, there's a limitation to this, and limitations imply limited resources, which suggests that the resets probably have a limited resource "powering" them. Similar to how "the rope" apparently is fraying:

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This "infinite world" may not be able to be Infinite forever.

Overall: The note is definitely still a mystery.