Pedro4545454

Active Member
Nov 23, 2023
699
1,282
There's also how I'm sure people missed the whole Sensei's a pedo in denial stuff, throughout the game, and now it's getting more and more blatant. Even though, it has been at least implied since Maya's 'A Place That Can Only Exist in Our Minds' Chapter 2 Event. Especially if you find the secret image:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
(Albeit, the rework has a wizard Maya show up in the 1st Happy Event, and has Sensei freaking out about "petting the cat", mentioning her purity, and showing her true love, etc)

And again implied by Sensei having younger pics of Maya, by the end of Chapter 2, which was seemingly mentioned again by New Maya recently:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

I guess, watching Sekai suck off and jerk off a wizard/warlock Sensei back in Chapter 3 wasn't enough of a deal breaker.
That's what I meant, there were already several references and images of this content in the game a long time ago, so I was confused when they said that this was the reason, but as Bingoogus said, everyone has their limits so I'm not going to complain to anyone He abandoned the game for that reason, but like I said I don't think I'll ever understand why he only abandoned the game now and not before, when there was the first reference to it in the game.

The difference is likely between knowing it's happening and being shown it's happening and all signs point to the latter. As Bingoogus said that might have been the ick that broke the camel's back.
But it had already been shown in chapter 3 with Sekai and Akira mage
 

TheSeedy1

Member
Jan 2, 2020
274
567
I guess, watching Sekai suck off and jerk off a wizard/warlock Sensei back in Chapter 3 wasn't enough of a deal breaker.
Beyond the sheer insanity of the game's god interference/reset moments, this is definitely the area I'm hella creeped by. I struggled to push past and see the plot cause oof, yeah.

I definitely have some worries about upcoming plot points given some of the dialogue that's cropped up at various moments with the wizards, especially that last Tsukasa event.
 

derekthered56

Member
May 30, 2018
286
656
So far i've tolerated wizard content because it's been portrayed as awful and traumatizing to the victims. I might not continue if it starts being shown salaciously, or more clearly suggests the wizard is responsible for it. I'm actually worried the story could go that direction.
 
  • Thinking Face
Reactions: Moonflare

shmurfer

Active Member
Dec 29, 2019
890
679
Although, it might be less so the Wizard stuff, and more so how it is seemingly required, to choose to go after a wizard, to get an all green path (not have crossed out events). The lack of a scapegoat may be the problem.
I mean if I was a game dev, I'd be hella tempted to fuck with completionists. Like how in Braid / The Witness most of the game can be completed very quickly but completionists have to add a literal hour long delay because fuck them.
 

wamzzz

Newbie
Sep 28, 2021
64
193
But it had already been shown in chapter 3 with Sekai and Akira mage
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Akira warlock scene. I'm not entirely sure though, maybe it's different when it's a girl or when they self-insert and have to click the button to make it happen. Guess we'll never truly find out unless the wiki editor comes out and mentions what was the last straw.
 

DeSkel15

Engaged Member
Sep 29, 2019
2,396
7,357
I mean if I was a game dev, I'd be hella tempted to fuck with completionists. Like how in Braid / The Witness most of the game can be completed very quickly but completionists have to add a literal hour long delay because fuck them.
This game already had missed events if the player didn't commit incest, and didn't commit adultery, and it's beginning to seem there will be missed events if they try to avoid wizards as well.

All in all, there may be an extra couple hours of stuff if not days worth, for those who don't want missed events, in the end.

Edit: Not sure if it'll affect the true ending.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Riolol
Oct 1, 2023
369
858
Are people really surprised Selebus would actually add wizard content ?

There's no way there's players and actual mods and Wiki editors that thought nah Akira is a bad person but he's chill like that, I know he used to plap wizards but surely he won't add that in the game at all haha

He manipulates highschool girls, fucks a married woman, misleads a single woman, does incest, plaps wizards, but that is cool unless he adds this one bad thing where I draw the line in the game, even tho I know this character did do it in the past

???
 

Moonflare

Well-Known Member
Aug 23, 2023
1,006
3,585
I feel like everyone has pointed out good enough reasons for people to jump ship - it's just that, and I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, since we're all still playing the game - but maybe they thought of LiL as a different kind of story?
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Short version:
Although, it might be less so the Wizard stuff, and more so how it is seemingly required, to choose to go after a wizard, to get an all green path (not have crossed out events). The lack of a scapegoat may be the problem.
I think this is the main thing, the fact that the game in which most of things are not up to the player made this up to the player. I will say this though, to me personally, taking that choice isn't even about wanting to see wizard content or not - it's about wanting to see the story Selebus wants to tell or not.

I will see everything he wants or may want to include in his story, and if the story is destroyed because of it, I'll add that on my review. I'm not Akira and Selebus supposed rants towards the player are as meaningless as his Raid Shadow Legends stuff to me, I don't need a scapegoat for my choices because this is not an rpg, it's a book with occasional badly written and short-lived alternate dialogues - In fact, I'd rather that the second choice in the Tsukasa event just crashed your game or something, but maybe he gave players the choice exactly so they wouldn't have a scapegoat.

All in all, let him put whatever he wants in his story and I'll read it, if it will hold up when everything is said and done, or we'll agree that it was unnecessary in its eulogy is for another day.
 
Last edited:
Oct 1, 2023
369
858
Cause as I see it, LiL is not a "porn game" in the sense of what people generally expect of this genre. It is a very fucked up story of a broken person, groomed by a predator, that tries to become better and yet everytime he does the world smacks him in the head. And yet through all this crap we have some moments like his smile having Ami as a daughter and it makes it somehow worth it.
This game is still what you're describing, he's trying to get better but needs to tackle things one by one.
The one thing he hasn't tackled yet is his proclination towards magic and wizardry, how else is he going to confront it unless we get an event like Tsukasa's recently?
People are dumb and hipocrites and can't take something at face value
 
  • Like
Reactions: Moonflare

TheSeedy1

Member
Jan 2, 2020
274
567
Yeah I think that's why I keep hanging in too despite those misgivings - the story craftsmanship is very good and its telling a story of someone subjected to terrible things who is also terrible but finding these moments where he comes up to breathe again. And when he does that, there's some really cool things that occur.

It's just natural I think to be hella leery with that content and for good reason but it's being used less like a "Hee hee fetish" hook and more of a "This shit is traumatic and wrong and you're not out of the woods yet my dude"

And I can just hide in the fun of Chika and Niki shenanigans *snerk*

Edit: And Molly's comments about how she's growing and drifting further from lolidom is fucking hilarious no matter how you slice it.
 

Bingoogus

Engaged Member
Sep 5, 2021
3,096
7,689
I've been pretty forthright with my enjoyment of fucked up fiction and nothing this game has shown or is likely to show will ever stop me playing it. That being said... i was pretty icked at how Akira hallucinated Tsukasa as nothing but an onahole on a pedestal. Being someone who will laugh his ass off at a scene of her getting buttfucked and yet still getting icked by that scene... i don't at all struggle to imagine how some people could handle the game up until that point and so it's not hard to transfer that understanding to the various other points in the game where wizard content appears. For some people, even something as innocent as Chinami in the bath could be too ick to continue, for others, Sekai molesting wizard Akira might've been the line, and i fully expect a bunch of people to drop the game the moment we get an actual wizard sex scene in the present time with present Akira.
 

Moonflare

Well-Known Member
Aug 23, 2023
1,006
3,585
Edit: And Molly's comments about how she's growing and drifting further from lolidom is fucking hilarious no matter how you slice it.
Exactly! - No one's ever telling me this shit ain't real growth (also funny and wholesome)
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Also even Pareidolia is like daaaaaaaaaamn son lol
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
 

DeSkel15

Engaged Member
Sep 29, 2019
2,396
7,357
I feel like everyone has pointed out good enough reasons for people to jump ship - it's just that, and I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, since we're all still playing the game - but maybe they thought of LiL as a different kind of story?
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Short version:


I think this is the main thing, the fact that the game in which most of things are not up to the player made this up to the player. I will say this though, to me personally, taking that choice isn't even about wanting to see wizard content or not - it's about wanting to see the story Selebus wants to tell or not.

I will see everything he wants or may want to include in his story, and if the story is destroyed because of it, I'll add that on my review. I'm not Akira and Selebus supposed rants towards the player are as meaningless as his Raid Shadow Legends stuff to me, I don't need a scapegoat for my choices because this is not an rpg, it's a book with occasional badly written and short-lived alternate dialogues - In fact, I'd rather that the second choice in the Tsukasa event just crashed your game or something, but maybe he gave players the choice exactly so they wouldn't have a scapegoat.

All in all, let him put whatever he wants in his story and I'll read it, if it will hold up when everything is said and done, or we'll agree that it was unnecessary in its eulogy is for another day.
As for the Maya Sensei Victim stuff, there's also how Maya is implied to have been broken before Sensei took her in and their relationship started.

Maya Prime even described their attachment happening due to them both being pretty fucked up:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Not that being "fucked up" justifies anything fucked up, but it's hard to say Sensei is the one who fucked up Maya because of this. He seemed to just have fucked her.

Maya has also teased prostitution before, and finding another to fuck her, so if it wasn't Sensei, it'd probably just be someone else:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Of course, Maya fucking up Sensei, as has been implied, is another story (albeit, she couldn't even do that if he wasn't already a mess). I do have to wonder though, if Sensei would have simply preyed upon Noriko instead, if Maya never showed up. The recent way he seems to see Tsukasa as Wizard Noriko is...suspect. Maybe even Ami (or Ayane?) if Maya wasn't there to keep him "busy" over the years.
 

fdsasdf_p

Active Member
Apr 24, 2021
853
2,963
The problem of LiL is Selebus, who continiously attempts to normalize it to reader, and who makes questionable rants like "You are literally fucking schoolgirls, why do you think fucking loli would make it worse".
Not in the discord, but sometimes I wonder if this ridiculous argument he made was only meant for those who wanted him to drop future wizard content by claiming “bc wizard sexual content is illegal :mad:”. I probably wouldn’t budge as well if I saw weak arguments like those and was full of myself at the same time.
 
4.20 star(s) 297 Votes