butterfly boy

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Saw a few friends of mine on twitter noooooooing over the end of Illusion on 08/18/23; I guess here goes some legality dramas (or maybe not? DRM shit is tricky)

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Thank you for the wonderful assets that make meeting Chinami possible
What happened? I couldn't find anything about it
Edit: nvm it's just Illusion shutting down without any drama behind it. Probably will not affect the HS and Koi VNs
 
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ContraBxss

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I'm glad people liked it because I had second thoughts about sharing it xd
You and er3z are very kind with your words, thank you.
Umm, I will rethink some parts and make the song a little better and maybe put a bit more production on the sound and rerecord it before I do anything new with it. The thought of sending it to Selebus on the off chance he likes it did cross my mind, though i'd have to make like a burner discord account, can't imagine using my real one for something like that lol.
I am not the best with sheet music, but i'll try to write something up maybe this weekend and send it your way!
Huge, I will be waiting patiently lol
 
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FireCazador

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So, some Niki and Maya timeline stuff:
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As for the Maya handjob "dream", I think that was actually Maya breaking a past Sensei in a loop, like she's mentioned she's done:
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Sensei just recalled a past version of himself before he "broke" or in other words, a past life moments before being fucked to death by Maya.
DeSkel woke up feeling like a FBI agent and gave us a marvellous gather of information to recap their past. Sometimes i wonder how some of you remember when happen certains things.
After some time i forgot almost everything and only after trying hard to remember i can sometimes remember about it xdd
 
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BlackDays

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I dont know what this is and why it would make some relevant drama. Can someone explain it?
Without Illusion (developer/company) there would be no Lil. No Lil, no HHG, and a lot more, i guess this side would be just a third of what it is.
Just crappy RPGM and Daz3D games.

Illusion created Koikatsu (Sunshine) and Honey Select (2) among others.
Those games come with a character creator. Thats where the girls come from.
And almost all the assets you see in Lil come from Koikatsu.
 
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barglenarglezous

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I'd argue the issues don't exactly go away, they get murkier, cause whoever snaps their IP rights up might end up being very litigious.
Illusion had partnered with Fakku for western distribution and rights enforcement, but rights enforcement by proxy is always murky. If Fakku winds up buying the assets, they'll be able to litigate much more cleanly, and based on how they have behaved in the past, I'd be shocked if they didn't go full-bore after everyone.
 
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barglenarglezous

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Illusion created Koikatsu (Sunshine) and Honey Select (2) among others.
Those games come with a character creator. Thats where the girls come from.
And almost all the assets you see in Lil come from Koikatsu.
I'd say it's closer to half the games on this site once you weed out the abandoned games. New KK-based games pop up several times a week lately.

As to why this matters -- neither Honey Select nor Koikatsu have open licenses, and Illusion was very publically complaining about people making for-profit games using their assets, but Illusion doesn't do business outside Japan directly, so they could only litigate in Japan against people working in the country. If an international firm buys the assets, the lack of an open use license could potentially result in a large number of independent H-game developers getting sued over the use of the games for commercial products.

A lot of developers have been riding a grey area, where "the game is free and always will be, you're just donating money to me so I can dedicate time to the game," but if that ever gets tested in court...

The people outright selling these games on itch.io are potentially fucked.
 

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Illusion had partnered with Fakku for western distribution and rights enforcement, but rights enforcement by proxy is always murky. If Fakku winds up buying the assets, they'll be able to litigate much more cleanly, and based on how they have behaved in the past, I'd be shocked if they didn't go full-bore after everyone.
Oh shit, didn't realise Fakku was involved... fuck... I can just imagine their legal department licking their lips at this closure...
Just crappy RPGM and Daz3D games.
They're not all crap, but yeah, most are.
 
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barglenarglezous

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Oh shit, didn't realise Fakku was involved... fuck... I can just imagine their legal department licking their lips at this closure...
To be clear, I don't know if FAKKU is involved in the closure, or if they're acquiring Illusion's assets. I just know that FAKKU handles western (non-pirated) distribution of KK and Honey Select.
 

Bingoogus

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To be clear, I don't know if FAKKU is involved in the closure, or if they're acquiring Illusion's assets. I just know that FAKKU handles western (non-pirated) distribution of KK and Honey Select.
Naw i understood you man, but Fakku are a cancer and i can easily see them eyeing the IP up in full so, for me at least, the water is even murkier now that i know this particular species of scum is presently growing in the pond.
 
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barglenarglezous

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So does this mean the future of LiL is in jeopardy?
Potentially. It's going to depend on who gets the assets and how much they care about little guys, because literally all the creators using KK/HS are just that -- little guys. The amount that could be collected by pursuing damages is probably less than the cost of pursuing them. Nintendo's super litigious about their IP, but they also have piles of cash to burn on being petty. Most companies don't, and most companies that exclusively deal in morally dubious sexual content generally want to minimize their exposure to the courts to begin with.

And if they go after the bigger hitters like Selebus and Runey, but not the small fish, lawyers can have a field day about "selective enforcement"

There's also the fact that Fakku's been handling western distribution and rights enforcement since 2019, and has yet to pursue action despite a strongly-worded open letter saying they would. It's been 4 years with no real action taken.
 

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Lmao I'm not surprised, I came here to see how people were reacting to Illusion shutting down and the usual suspects are licking their lips fantasising about how this could lead to LiL shutting down.
I don't think anybody here is "licking their lips fantasizing about how this could lead to LiL shutting down", we are all clearly fans of the game and I think we all want to see how it ends. People here are speculating about what may happen. I will say I find it hard to feel sorry for a hypocrite but I still want the game to continue.
 
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