Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

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Ok, so this happens before Tsubasa has the bright idea of getting the Chosokabe's into the new building so why wasn't this ultra wealthy woman's first thought "fuck it, but the surrounding 5 properties and get a team in to extend this place out with everything i think they'll need"?

Like, if she won't move, bring your wealth to her? Send dudes to fix the place up, a food delivery truck to stock the kitchen up every week, buy the utlity companies servicing her apartment and credit her bill every quarter. Like, she can do it, she just can, so why not? Chika gonna chuck the food in the bin? Force the electricity company to take her money

I don't even get it, she can do shit super subtle too in most places, buy the utility companies servicing the entire old district and heavily discount all the residents as part of her families charity stuff, Chika wants to complain simply say its something Tsubasa wants to do after seeing how everyone lives in that district, cheap power and water would be a big weight off her shoulders, that just leaves building safety and food, simply force them upon her, "i refuse to let you live her without having qualified people ensure the integrity of this structure Chika, for your safety and Chinami let me get some of my people to at least stop it from collapsing.

After that, maybe she wouldn't have any trouble with food so Tsubasa might not feel the need to push it upon her, but i can't imagine someone as smart as Tsubasa couldn't also find a way to do that without Chika feeling like she's getting a hand out, fuck, rig a contest, a free year of food if you call in like the onsen tickets she won.

I've spent little time imagining solutions to this and i'm honestly kind of unimpressed with Tsubasa's supposed intelligence if this wasn't all obvious as fuck to her... so i guess i'll just have to chalk it up to Selly being hyperfocused on where he's going with this story no matter how many obvious and simple solutions have to be ignored to get there.

I agree with tackling this from the utility side like how Sensei pays for their phone bills. But maybe this isn't mentioned because I'd say Chika will also decline Tsubasa's any offer, for this isn't by her standard something she struggles to handle. A part of the reason Chika finally agreeing with Sensei paying for phone bills is because at the time Chinami wanted a new phone, which posed as a suddenly appeared financial burden. But even then Sensei had to push Chika a bit to make it happen. Plus, I think Chika has been fighting against these odds by herself for so long that it also becomes her sense of purpose, and any external help might partially be viewed as "decreasing her importance" in her own or Chinami's life (aka, pride kicks in like everyone said). Personally I'd be as stubborn as her if I was Chika; forgoing your ego for the sake of others and accepting help that you know you have no way to repay aren't something easy to do.

For me though, if Tsubasa really wants the Chosokabes to walk the safer path she designs, she should just 1) DO IT; 2) tackle this issue from Chinami, either by persuasion through Tsukasa (a less logical move and has its own difficulty I admit) or in Tsubasa's true fashion, just by "kidnapping Chinami with a limousine", then Chika will follow.
But of course doing something this forceful even for the greater good will damage her relationship with Chika, something Tsubasa has been avoiding at all costs.

With all being said however, I agree that Selly should at least add a dialogue or two between Tsubasa and Sensei about how every approach Selly can brainstorm on the matter has all been turned down by Chika before moving onto this plot device apartment plan.
(or maybe there is such a thing somewhere and I overlooked? I only remember Chika turning down having a doctor team attending Chinami but that's it. This also tells you how unwilling Chika is when accepting help, even when help is directly connected to the most difficult issue she has)

Back to your proposition of buying surrounding properties: despite Tsubasa being way more than financially capable of doing this, I believe this isn't as straightforward as it sounds. She is the queen of the Tsukioka family, but not with the power of a medieval empress who can do literally whatever she wants; she has to come up with a scheme of profiting along with her realty plan for it to happen.
(when I was typing this I suddenly remember this family can do things as crazy as airdropping a ramen shop on the beach when it comes to properties; so yeah getting real only now isn't quite consistent to be honest)

 

[barglenarglezous]

Ok, so this happens before Tsubasa has the bright idea of getting the Chosokabe's into the new building so why wasn't this ultra wealthy woman's first thought "fuck it, but the surrounding 5 properties and get a team in to extend this place out with everything i think they'll need"?

That would require displacing the people who live in those units. Sure, she could buy them out, but they'd all have to move to a different place, and they'd probably insist it be at her expense, so she'd have to buy the units, pay for those families to relocate, and pay for the rennovations. There's also the paperwork (permits and contracts) and people managing, not to mention the fact that while we know there have to be construction crews operating in Kumon-mi, there can't be that many, and they are probably booked out several months/years in advance, so that's not a quick fix.

The plan she came up with is far, far cheaper, since it involves property the family already owns and is currently vacant. It requires no new permit or construction. No contractors of any type. Less hassle for everyone involved.

Editing to add: Both of her suggested plans are also low-profile. Moving a pair of girls from poverty to a less-impoverished living situation is one thing. Displacing families is incredibly high profile, and might be seen as dishonoring the Tsukioka name.

 

[derekthered56]

Almost finished my replay and rewatching the scene where Nodoka learns Akira's name... watch her face and reaction... she knows that name... no doubt whatsoever.

The way she says "Akira...Arakawa..." makes it seem like not only does she know something about Akira, somehow that being connected to the Arakawas is important. Maybe she's heard whispers about Akira from Sekai and is just now realizing that Akira was her little brother-in-law?
Or it's nothing and I'm reading too much into a couple words and some ellipses.

 

[ElukiaTV]

she doesn't actually seem to approve of Sensei being with a teenager (She seemed to imply this to Otoha)

i Took this more like she wanted to know what Otoha knows.
Either because she believes it's not right, or because she wants to know what Otoha knows. Or after what Rika said, maybe because of jealousy.

 

[ElukiaTV]

The way she says "Akira...Arakawa..." makes it seem like not only does she know something about Akira, somehow that being connected to the Arakawas is important. Maybe she's heard whispers about Akira from Sekai and is just now realizing that Akira was her little brother-in-law?
Or it's nothing and I'm reading too much into a couple words and some ellipses.

She either knows the name Akira on her head because of Sekai.
Or Akira Arakawa was his pen name, and she is aware of the stuff he used to write.

 

[derekthered56]

She either knows the name Akira on her head because of Sekai.
Or Akira Arakawa was his pen name, and she is aware of the stuff he used to write.

If she had heard Akira's full name before, connecting that to Sensei would be less of a surprise and more of a confirmation.

 

[DeSkel15]

i Took this more like she wanted to know what Otoha knows.
Either because she believes it's not right, or because she wants to know what Otoha knows. Or after what Rika said, maybe because of jealousy.

Maybe. It seemed more like she wanted Otoha to tell her if she knows he's actually sleeping with a teenager, or to stop slandering him if he's not, because he is her friend and stuff like that will make him look bad, at least to me.

As far as Imani seems to know, Sensei is just creepy, like other guys.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Maybe. It seemed more like she wanted Otoha to tell her if she knows he's actually sleeping with a teenager, or to stop slandering him if he's not, because he is her friend and stuff like that will make him look bad, at least to me.

As far as Imani seems to know, Sensei is just creepy, like other guys.

There's a small chance that she's been assigned to his classroom specifically to report any evidence of improper sexual contact, and all her "I'm really into him" energy is a front so that she's able to fly under radar.

 

[Bingoogus]

There's a small chance that she's been assigned to his classroom specifically to report any evidence of improper sexual contact, and all her "I'm really into him" energy is a front so that she's able to fly under radar.

So she's a fookin' narc eh? Might explain the dead stare into the mirror and the broiled skin eh? Personal experience? Deep undercover and yet again having to cozy up to her worst nightmare and most hated kind of person, a kid fucker...

Jokes aside, fun theory if it fit the game.

 

[barglenarglezous]

So she's a fookin' narc eh? Might explain the dead stare into the mirror and the broiled skin eh? Personal experience? Deep undercover and yet again having to cozy up to her worst nightmare and most hated kind of person, a kid fucker...

Jokes aside, fun theory if it fit the game.

That's why I said small chance, as it doesn't really fit the "everything is convenient for Akira" feel of the game.

 

[DeSkel15]

Random Theory Time: I think Yumi may have got got.

So, the last time we see Yumi:

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She is Tshaped in her pajamas.

Well, fast forward, and Sensei wakes up on a couch with blood behind him:

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And what seems to be the edge of the shoulder of Yumi in her pajamas behind that couch:

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Now, keep in mind, characters go invisible during the reset, so chances are, Maya and Ayane couldn't see Yumi's corpse. It's also been implied that Sensei needs to defile the girl first before he can see them:

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So, I don't think Sensei could have seen her either, considering he hasn't really defiled Yumi yet. Also note how unlike whatever makes Sensei nude, Maya still had clothes on during the reset. Her PJs specifically, so, Yumi probably would have had hers as well.

We also had Sensei note something feels dangerous in Yumi's last event:

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Then we saw this twisted Ami thing:

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At the end, seemingly staring at Yumi.

Overall: It seems like Yumi didn't make it to the roof, due to being murdered during the reset.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Overall: It seems like Yumi didn't make it to the roof, due to being murdered during the reset.

Yumi's interactions during Douchebag McDouchefuck also feel like early-game Yumi, rather than the version of her that she grew into over 2.5 chapters. So she was killed, and rolled back to Day 1.

Good catch on the PJ corner. My shitty eyes would have never picked up on that.

 

[ElukiaTV]

So, is there a chance that Ami followed the group to the secret house and basically Akira's happy event before reset was Ami going on a murder spree?

 

[ahsnait]

noriko is furry

 

[DeSkel15]

So, is there a chance that Ami followed the group to the secret house and basically Akira's happy event before reset was Ami going on a murder spree?

Real Ami seemed to be busy with Sana at the dorms:

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But, Real Ami doesn't seem to be the only Ami around. Especially around resets where the likes of Mangled/Happy Ami show up.

There's also that twisted version of Ami that seemed to be at the school. Then there's Nao.

Overall: It's doubtful that it was "Ami" that did this, but something looking like her could have. It also could have been Kaori possessed by Sekai, or it could have been something entirely unknown.

 

[DeSkel15]

The more I go over things that have recently happened, the more I think things are not going to go well for a bit:

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Updates are probably going to suck in the dark phase. I feel like it'll be like a car accident that the player can't look away from. Kind of fits the game all things considered.

 

[VaultBoyNewCanaan]

I have Dark mod(e), the cheat script and the guide mod installed and i keep getting an error every time I open the progress sub-menu from the guide mod. The traceback file is what comes up every time I try to open the progress section and Dark mode works correctly on everything else like the text boxes and main menu and UI, even the hints section from the guide mod opens OK and is dark colours. Probably a long shot but any help would be appreciated.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Random Theory Time: I think Yumi may have got got.

So, the last time we see Yumi:

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She is Tshaped in her pajamas.

Well, fast forward, and Sensei wakes up on a couch with blood behind him:

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And what seems to be the edge of the shoulder of Yumi in her pajamas behind that couch:

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Now, keep in mind, characters go invisible during the reset, so chances are, Maya and Ayane couldn't see Yumi's corpse. It's also been implied that Sensei needs to defile the girl first before he can see them:

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So, I don't think Sensei could have seen her either, considering he hasn't really defiled Yumi yet. Also note how unlike whatever makes Sensei nude, Maya still had clothes on during the reset. Her PJs specifically, so, Yumi probably would have had hers as well.

We also had Sensei note something feels dangerous in Yumi's last event:

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Then we saw this twisted Ami thing:

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At the end, seemingly staring at Yumi.

Overall: It seems like Yumi didn't make it to the roof, due to being murdered during the reset.

Props to you and your sharp eyes
But man this really fucked up my mood if that puddle of blood was what’s left of her…to think maybe Maya would have ended like this as well if Sensei didn't show up during the 4th reset.

Also, now that I look at that Ami on the wall again, the smile is not yellow and is upside down red like HOPE (the entire dialogue reeks of HOPE as well). Originally I thought girls disappearing during resets is either the work of roadkilled Ami because "she wanted an ideal world to be with Sensei sexually and exclusively", or the work of amiokay (assuming the lurking naked girl around during resets is her) due to god-related reasons. But now maybe both are manifestations of HOPE's deeds.

The more I go over things that have recently happened, the more I think things are not going to go well for a bit:

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Updates are probably going to suck in the dark phase. I feel like it'll be like a car accident that the player can't look away from. Kind of fits the game all things considered.

Had a horrible feeling that not only Makoto won't make it during the next reset (who I somehow think has better odds than Yumi or Tsuneyo), at some point we would lose Ayane as well to turn the dark gear to full throttle.

 

[DeSkel15]

Props to you and your sharp eyes
But man this really fucked up my mood if that puddle of blood was what’s left of her…to think maybe Maya would have ended like this as well if Sensei didn't show up during the 4th reset.

Also, now that I look at that Ami on the wall again, the smile is not yellow and is upside down red like HOPE (the entire dialogue reeks of HOPE as well). Originally I thought girls disappearing during resets is either the work of roadkilled Ami because "she wanted an ideal world to be with Sensei sexually and exclusively", or the work of amiokay (assuming the lurking naked girl around during resets is her) due to god-related reasons. But now maybe both are manifestations of HOPE's deeds.


Had a horrible feeling that not only Makoto won't make it during the next reset (who I somehow think has better odds than Yumi or Tsuneyo), at some point we would lose Ayane as well to turn the dark gear to full throttle.

That Mangled/Happy Ami seems to talk like HOPE at that time, and this image shows up after she does:

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So, yeah, I'm confident that Happy versions and stuff like Mangled Ami are related to HOPE/Nozomu. I think most Happy Events are related to it.

On the other hand, HOPE seems to want the girls to be given to it:

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And has helped Sensei get to the roof before (in the first reset), so I don't think it'd want Yumi dead. The god of wires also shouldn't, and Pareidolia also shouldn't.

So, I don't think the 3 gods we know, did this. However, Pareidolia seemed to warn us in that same reset that something else has begun:

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There's also how Sekai was recently restored before this, and shown up on the roof in the same reset that Yumi seemed to die in:

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So, it seems to be alluding that she is responsible for it. Why Yumi and not Maya, then? Not sure. It could mean that there are worse plans in store for Maya, and they might involve Ayane replacing her.

As for Makoto, I think it could go either way. Unlike Yumi and Tsuneyo, Sensei has defiled Makoto, so that seems to increase her chances of surviving quite a bit. In retrospect, that might be the reason Yumi was taken out. Being a virgin might be a death sentence in this horror film.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

There's also how Sekai was recently restored before this, and shown up on the roof in the same reset that Yumi seemed to die in:

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So, it seems to be alluding that she is responsible for it. Why Yumi and not Maya, then? Not sure. It could mean that there are worse plans in store for Maya, and they might involve Ayane replacing her.

As for Makoto, I think it could go either way. Unlike Yumi and Tsuneyo, Sensei has defiled Makoto, so that seems to increase her chances of surviving quite a bit. In retrospect, that might be the reason Yumi was taken out. Being a virgin might be a death sentence in this horror film.

If it was Sekai maybe she woke up with a hunger and just wanted some Yumi(my) paste to eat with toast.