Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[Bingoogus]

"at a normal volume".. That kind of cracks me up. I was expecting more of an "any volume I want", but nope just normal, lol.

Well... you know, i still live in a society, i do have neighbours and my place isn't sound proof.

Point was i don't need to play it really quiet so my mom doesn't hear...

 

[Deleted member 2797587]

Point was i don't need to play it really quiet so my mom doesn't hear...

I know what you mean; I can usually only play on my phone so that my kids don't hear...

 

[DeSkel15]

Well... you know, i still live in a society, i do have neighbours and my place isn't sound proof.

Point was i don't need to play it really quiet so my mom doesn't hear...

Yeah, that's fair. Darn society getting in the way. If you want to be deafened by an overly loud porn video, more power to you I say.

Unless you're my neighbor, lmao.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

I know what you mean; I can usually only play on my phone so that my kids don't hear...

I'm like hmm smart man, then my mind gets assaulted by the scarred memory of this ungodly scene (shivering in fear)

 

[alex2011]

It is grooming when the goal is fucking them. Affection points, mate.

Honestly, I thought Sensei being insane by the repetition thing was a given. He does continue to do stuff expecting different outcomes at times. His life is very repetitive.

Nevertheless, his grooming definitely worked on Yumi and Rin. Yumi literally gave him the opportunity to do something to her, after he helped her:

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He just fucked up with the Nodoka stuff before going for the kill, and Rin's more or less open for business whenever he wants her:

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There's just a girlfriend in the way, and Otoha hasn't been groomed enough yet.

Sensei definitely expected that helping them would lead to him fucking them:

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There's unquestionably an ulterior motive here.

Yumi also does like Sensei. She's tsundere. Nodoka did know, and that's why she did it. Yumi got cucked.

Ami is a little girl who Sensei has literally sent to her room when he wanted. Hell, she's even giving him space because he asked for some, and has straight up admitted she'd kill herself if he died. This point is just ridiculous. Sensei definitely had a choice and he chose to face fuck his niece infront of a girl that loves him. Ami was trying to cuck Maya though for cucking her. Noriko only got caught in the crossfire here, because Sensei's a slut.

Of course it matters who's worse, and "You don't really need a ranking once two or more people go into criminal territory", doesnt make any sense. Saying a word wrong can make you a criminal, but according to that statement, they might as well be a mass murderer, as it doesn't matter once you "go into criminal territory". I'd also put the likes of Kirin, and Yumi as worse than Nodoka. Not as bad as Sensei though.

Yes and that makes his other actions grooming, but it also disqualifies the actions I listed because he doesn't seem to be doing them for that purpose despite his overall goal. It isn't insanity in this case, his self questioning shows a thought process that doesn't involve expecting things to turn out differently than what is to be expected from the actions he took in the cases I mentioned, a result which in no way includes getting him closer to his overall goal.

As far as the giving him an opportunity, an obvious test from Yumi I saw from a mile away, she's not the type to go from being kissed against her will to actually letting the person who did it have her. She wasn't letting him potentially take a shot at her, she was testing whether he would make a move if she dropped her guard and he just so happened to pass to her admitted surprise.

Rin is still pretty firmly on the girls side of her sexuality, but yes, has shown signs like in a specific past event of hers, I don't remember the in game name, but I think it is dorm 45 in the code, where she actively kisses him at the end on the good homie route. However, she's currently dealing with Otoha, so she isn't open necessarily, at least not yet.

She does like him, this is apparent to the player and has been since the first Christmas event when she gifted that notebook. If she still fully hated him at that point, she would not have done so. However, even with this, she shows only hostility and neutrality depending on the situation. In the cases shown in your comment above, she's showing the latter, neutrality. Neutrality is not an indication to most people that someone likes another, even for someone as smart as Nodoka.

Yeah, Ami's a little girl, but she's also insane clinically speaking to the point where she would take what she wants given the right, or would that be wrong, circumstances and would eliminate any threat she became aware of. She shows blatant hostility when he brings other girls over without even knowing the intent behind bringing them, even ones she personally knows and has a good relationship with otherwise, and let's not forget her actions toward Ayane and Maya, her best friends out of the entire cast. Yeah, he had a choice, a choice between letting what happened happen or being forced into what happened or worse, which is less an actual choice and more an illusion of a choice that was already decided for him. She's a devious little thing that will do whatever it takes to get her way, even if it means force. Also, you mentioned her backing off a bit, this is planned, she saw a threat to getting what she wants coming directly from Sensei himself and so she is biding her time. Make no mistake, she is not just backing down because he asked, she's doing it to avoid the consequences of not doing so, which includes potentially losing him entirely, a circumstance that must be avoided at all costs in her mind. That's how yanderes operate, they do anything and everything that is necessary to keep the relationship going.

Yeah, it matters who is worse when the characters are just doing bad things, but both of them did things that get the same general result, that's why it doesn't matter who is worse between these two. Both are going to end up doing some serious harm to another character at some point, that's what really matters and that's why it doesn't matter who is worse between two characters within criminal actions territory. The next part I agree on, both could be mass murderers, doesn't matter how many victims each one had, they still killed four or more as per the definition and even a single death at their hands is bad enough that they both deserve the same thing, jail or worse. No, Kirin and Yumi aren't worse than Nodoka, Nodoka committed sexual assault by making Yumi masturbate, Yumi is only guilty of bullying Futaba, who is very much still alive, so no murder at this point, and Kirin is guilty of blackmailing Ayane and Sensei. These are both not as severe as Nodoka's sexual assault of Yumi.

Sensei isn't smart, he's a fucking idiot. He:
- got caught having sex with Ayane by Kirin. Literally could have prevented this by not having sex in the same hotel that all ten of your students could enter.
- had sex with Chika loud enough to be heard by Tsubasa, TWICE.
- somehow thought it was ok to allow Miku to use random drugs
and many more. He only gets away with everything because he is universally loved by every girl. That is basically how every story in this game is written:
Sensei does something bad -> Girl gets hurt -> Girl forgives Sensei anyways because she is head over heels in love with him.

I first read this game in v0.27 and it took me around 1 week of at least 12hrs/day.

Agreed, this game is incredibly wordy with lots of monologue, cryptic text, and needless banter every conversation. It should realistically be around 1.2M - 1.6M, maybe even 1M words.
I also think that Selebus might be intentionally drawing his game out to milk his patrons.

Oh no, he's not stupid because those things happened, he just didn't care enough to prevent them. He was focused on his main goal, which was being served in both of the first two points you listed.

The game is not being drawn out to milk the patrons, the game is being drawn out because this is not and has never been sex focused, it is and always will be story focused. With a story, you put in as much detail, build your characters up as much as, and build your world up as much as you possibly can. This has always been a passion project for Sel, we are simply being given the privilege of playing it instead of him keeping it for himself and in return we are providing him the ability to work on what he likes full time instead of having to take away time from it to go to a separate job.

 

[DeSkel15]

I'm like hmm smart man, then my mind gets assaulted by the scarred memory of this ungodly scene (shivering in fear)
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I'm thinking Ami might just act like that on purpose to make herself look unhinged. It definitely works.

Although, I'm still curious what's exactly going on with the Psycho Ami stuff Maya talked about. Something's odd.

 

[DeSkel15]

Yes and that makes his other actions grooming, but it also disqualifies the actions I listed because he doesn't seem to be doing them for that purpose despite his overall goal. It isn't insanity in this case, his self questioning shows a thought process that doesn't involve expecting things to turn out differently than what is to be expected from the actions he took in the cases I mentioned, a result which in no way includes getting him closer to his overall goal.

As far as the giving him an opportunity, an obvious test from Yumi I saw from a mile away, she's not the type to go from being kissed against her will to actually letting the person who did it have her. She wasn't letting him potentially take a shot at her, she was testing whether he would make a move if she dropped her guard and he just so happened to pass to her admitted surprise.

Rin is still pretty firmly on the girls side of her sexuality, but yes, has shown signs like in a specific past event of hers, I don't remember the in game name, but I think it is dorm 45 in the code, where she actively kisses him at the end on the good homie route. However, she's currently dealing with Otoha, so she isn't open necessarily, at least not yet.

She does like him, this is apparent to the player and has been since the first Christmas event when she gifted that notebook. If she still fully hated him at that point, she would not have done so. However, even with this, she shows only hostility and neutrality depending on the situation. In the cases shown in your comment above, she's showing the latter, neutrality. Neutrality is not an indication to most people that someone likes another, even for someone as smart as Nodoka.

Yeah, Ami's a little girl, but she's also insane clinically speaking to the point where she would take what she wants given the right, or would that be wrong, circumstances and would eliminate any threat she became aware of. She shows blatant hostility when he brings other girls over without even knowing the intent behind bringing them, even ones she personally knows and has a good relationship with otherwise, and let's not forget her actions toward Ayane and Maya, her best friends out of the entire cast. Yeah, he had a choice, a choice between letting what happened happen or being forced into what happened or worse, which is less an actual choice and more an illusion of a choice that was already decided for him. She's a devious little thing that will do whatever it takes to get her way, even if it means force. Also, you mentioned her backing off a bit, this is planned, she saw a threat to getting what she wants coming directly from Sensei himself and so she is biding her time. Make no mistake, she is not just backing down because he asked, she's doing it to avoid the consequences of not doing so, which includes potentially losing him entirely, a circumstance that must be avoided at all costs in her mind. That's how yanderes operate, they do anything and everything that is necessary to keep the relationship going.

Yeah, it matters who is worse when the characters are just doing bad things, but both of them did things that get the same general result, that's why it doesn't matter who is worse between these two. Both are going to end up doing some serious harm to another character at some point, that's what really matters and that's why it doesn't matter who is worse between two characters within criminal actions territory. The next part I agree on, both could be mass murderers, doesn't matter how many victims each one had, they still killed four or more as per the definition and even a single death at their hands is bad enough that they both deserve the same thing, jail or worse. No, Kirin and Yumi aren't worse than Nodoka, Nodoka committed sexual assault by making Yumi masturbate, Yumi is only guilty of bullying Futaba, who is very much still alive, so no murder at this point, and Kirin is guilty of blackmailing Ayane and Sensei. These are both not as severe as Nodoka's sexual assault of Yumi.

Nah, he's grooming them in those examples as well.

Nah, Yumi wanted him to do something to her, and she's literally maturbating to Sensei in the background. I doubt she ever actually hated him. She's seemingly had a crush on him since this game began.

Yeah, Otoha is in the way.

Yumi is not showing "neutrality". She helps Sensei and hangs out with him far too much to be neutral when it comes to him. Nodoka barely knows her at all and easily figured out blowing Sensei would be a punishment for Yumi. Yumi is Tsundere. That dere means love and she masturbates to Sensei. She's crushing on him at the least.

Ami has literally never hurt anyone. Yandere Ami is a myth so far. Sensei definitely had a choice, and he chose what made him cum quicker. The alternative would just have forced him to cum later.

Yes, Kirin and Yumi are worse than Nodoka. Yumi has threatened to kill Futaba, and attempted to murder Nodoka, she's also a thief that's stolen from so many stores she has trouble finding one she hasn't robbed, not to mention sexually harrassed Futaba in the showers by trying to steal her towel. Kirin has blackmailed Ayane and sexually assaulted Ayane, and Noriko, and sexually coerced Miku while she was drugged up. Nodoka blackmailed and sexually harassed a bully out of revenge, she also sexually harasses a few girls technically. Legally Yumi is likely the worst (depending on the laws), but morally I don't see Nodoka anywhere near their level of horribleness.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Well... you know, i still live in a society, i do have neighbours and my place isn't sound proof.

Blast those games that set the menu music volume super high. Walls are thin and my neighbors get cranky every time I download a new one.

 

[5A 61 68 79 6E 68 79 6B]

Have you already discussed the voices that Sel posted?

Chika - Ayana Taketatsu
Yumi - Miyuki Sawashiro
Ayane - Nao Touyama
Sana - Asami Imai
Makoto - Marina Inoue
Miku - Tomoe Tamiyasu
Rin - Eri Kitamura
Futaba - Kana Hanazawa
Maya - Chiwa Saito
Ami - Konomi Kohara
Molly - Maaya Uchida
Tsuneyo - Yui Ishikawa
Uta - Aki Toyosaki
Io - Rie Takahashi
Otoha - Aimi Terakawa
Nodoka - Shuka Saitou
Yasu - Saori Hayami
Touka - Ai Kayano
Noriko - Ayane Sakura
Kirin - Aoi Yuuki
Sara - Kana Ueda
Maki - Hiroko Taguchi
Haruka - Sumire Uesaka
Kaori - Rie Kugimiya
Karin - Tomoyo Kurasawa
Chinami - Inori Minase
Yuki - Rina Satou
Osako - Haruka Tomatsu
Wakana - Mia Naruse
Niki - Ayasa Itou
Tsubasa - Ayaka Minami
Tsukasa - Aoi Koga
Imani - Fairouz Ai

 

[Mori Enjoyer]

those like VAs the cast would hypothetically be voiced by/sound like?

 

[5A 61 68 79 6E 68 79 6B]

those like VAs the cast would hypothetically be voiced by/sound like?

Yep

 

[TreelingTired]

Yep

time for someone to use elevenlabs to dub LIL by cloning the VA's

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

time for someone to use elevenlabs to dub LIL by cloning the VA's

Only problem is that tts doesn't have intonation, if Sel contracts a VA it could work. Fan made would be cool too but probably a pain to script and insert.

 

[AgumenticR]

Pre Sekai's death, Sensei seemed more or less fine.

If you really think that, I'd advice rereading "Good Boy" Particularly striking is the parallels with his behavior in the latest Miku events.

I think it's more like Sensei actually just wants to stop feeling bad for indulging, hence the Nodoka stuff:

Nodoka stuff is taking a somewhat recovering alcoholic and locking them in a wine cellar - or perhaps taking them to a wine tasting championship, or some other event where drinking feels appropriate. He wants to avoid indulging in it, because it hurts others and because he is scared of it for a variety of reasons, but it's also something he knows and knows it feels good, at least partially. So when lead to a temptation and an excuse, yes, he falls for it - but it doesn't mean he wants to have that kind of relationship with everyone, or perhaps even at all if given a choice.

You know, the fact that one of the first girls he's ever rejected happened to be one of the few black girls in Kumon-mi, probably doesn't look good.

He is also very adverse to advance his relationship with Molly, despite the latter (and the world, seemingly) pushing it. Maybe Akira actually secretly dislikes foreigners?

 

[Bingoogus]

I don't really know wtf anyone is supposed to make of that VA list... i couldn't put a face to any of those names and i couldn't pick any of their voices out of any single anime or game... unless someone whips up some useful examples that might as well all be 'Ayane - Vecaboo Cahlundis' etc.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Have you already discussed the voices that Sel posted?

Chika - Ayana Taketatsu
Yumi - Miyuki Sawashiro
Ayane - Nao Touyama
Sana - Asami Imai
Makoto - Marina Inoue
Miku - Tomoe Tamiyasu
Rin - Eri Kitamura
Futaba - Kana Hanazawa
Maya - Chiwa Saito
Ami - Konomi Kohara
Molly - Maaya Uchida
Tsuneyo - Yui Ishikawa
Uta - Aki Toyosaki
Io - Rie Takahashi
Otoha - Aimi Terakawa
Nodoka - Shuka Saitou
Yasu - Saori Hayami
Touka - Ai Kayano
Noriko - Ayane Sakura
Kirin - Aoi Yuuki
Sara - Kana Ueda
Maki - Hiroko Taguchi
Haruka - Sumire Uesaka
Kaori - Rie Kugimiya
Karin - Tomoyo Kurasawa
Chinami - Inori Minase
Yuki - Rina Satou
Osako - Haruka Tomatsu
Wakana - Mia Naruse
Niki - Ayasa Itou
Tsubasa - Ayaka Minami
Tsukasa - Aoi Koga
Imani - Fairouz Ai

I bet these are just what the voice lines of each girl sound in Selly’s head rather than an real future plan, though it’d be cool if he makes it happen in any form.

But I don’t think it’s possible in addition to software limitations. These VAs are relatively big hits, after googling just some of them. So unless LiL is turning to a gacha game I don’t see how this could be marginally lucrative for him. Even just an one liner when you click on character profiles will cost you a modest sum.

Plus, many of the game content only works in English texts or actual English conversations, tomato tomato, Ami vs Amiokay, and a shit ton of poems. There’s no way Japanese VAs can seamlessly be incorporated into it.

 

[wamzzz]

I don't really know wtf anyone is supposed to make of that VA list... i couldn't put a face to any of those names and i couldn't pick any of their voices out of any single anime or game... unless someone whips up some useful examples that might as well all be 'Ayane - Vecaboo Cahlundis' etc.

I feel like we need a hero to make a compilation because I also have no idea who any of these people are or what they sound like.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

I don't really know wtf anyone is supposed to make of that VA list... i couldn't put a face to any of those names and i couldn't pick any of their voices out of any single anime or game... unless someone whips up some useful examples that might as well all be 'Ayane - Vecaboo Cahlundis' etc.

Chika - Ayana Taketatsu: Leafa in SAO

Yumi - Miyuki Sawashiro: Kurapika in Hunter × Hunter (LOL!)

Ayane - Nao Touyama: Chitoge Kirisaki in Nisekoi

Sana - Asami Imai: Kurisu Makise in Steins;Gate

Makoto - Marina Inoue: Armin Arlert in Attack on Titan

Miku - Tomoe Tamiyasu: don't recognize anything as she generally performed for adult games

Rin - Eri Kitamura: Sayaka Miki in Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Futaba - Kana Hanazawa: Mayuri Shiina in Steins;Gate

Maya - Chiwa Saito: Homura Akemi in Puella Magi Madoka Magica (a similar character type as well)

Ami - Konomi Kohara: Chika Fujiwara in Kaguya-sama: Love Is War

Molly - Maaya Uchida: Angel Devil in Chainsaw Man

Tsuneyo - Yui Ishikawa: Mikasa Ackerman in Attack on Titan

Uta - Aki Toyosaki: Yui Hirasawa in K-On!

Io - Rie Takahashi: Megumin in KonoSuba (LOL!)

Otoha - Aimi Terakawa: Yuko Ozawa in Jujutsu Kaisen

Nodoka - Shuka Saitou: You Watanabe in Love Live! Sunshine!!

Yasu - Saori Hayami: Ryuu Lion in Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?

Touka - Ai Kayano: Alice Zuberg in SAO

Noriko - Ayane Sakura: Ochaco Uraraka in My Hero Academia

Kirin - Aoi Yuuki: Diane in The Seven Deadly Sins

Sara - Kana Ueda: Rin Tōsaka in Fate/stay night

Maki - Hiroko Taguchi: Amane Suou in The Fruit of Grisaia

Haruka - Sumire Uesaka: Shalltear Bloodfallen in Overlord

Kaori - Rie Kugimiya: Louise in The Familiar of Zero (extremely big hit)

Karin - Tomoyo Kurasawa: Rebecca in Cyberpunk: Edgerunners

Chinami - Inori Minase: Hestia in Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?

Yuki - Rina Satou: Hayato Kawajiri in Jojo

Osako - Haruka Tomatsu: Lala Satalin Deviluke in To LOVE-Ru

Wakana - Mia Naruse: don't recognize anything as she generally performed in VNs

Niki - Ayasa Itou: Tochtli in A Certain Magical Index III

Tsubasa - Ayaka Minami: apparently an actual TV star?

Tsukasa - Aoi Koga: Kaguya Shinomiya in Kaguya-sama: Love Is War

Imani - Fairouz Ai: Jolyne Cujoh in Jojo

This will heavily depend on how well-versed you are in anime, or if we wavelength at all haha; I don't even watch more than half of what I listed LOL but at least these are the names (not the character names but the anime titles) that even I can recognize.

 

[butterfly boy]

Have you already discussed the voices that Sel posted?

Chika - Ayana Taketatsu
Yumi - Miyuki Sawashiro
Ayane - Nao Touyama
Sana - Asami Imai
Makoto - Marina Inoue
Miku - Tomoe Tamiyasu
Rin - Eri Kitamura
Futaba - Kana Hanazawa
Maya - Chiwa Saito
Ami - Konomi Kohara
Molly - Maaya Uchida
Tsuneyo - Yui Ishikawa
Uta - Aki Toyosaki
Io - Rie Takahashi
Otoha - Aimi Terakawa
Nodoka - Shuka Saitou
Yasu - Saori Hayami
Touka - Ai Kayano
Noriko - Ayane Sakura
Kirin - Aoi Yuuki
Sara - Kana Ueda
Maki - Hiroko Taguchi
Haruka - Sumire Uesaka
Kaori - Rie Kugimiya
Karin - Tomoyo Kurasawa
Chinami - Inori Minase
Yuki - Rina Satou
Osako - Haruka Tomatsu
Wakana - Mia Naruse
Niki - Ayasa Itou
Tsubasa - Ayaka Minami
Tsukasa - Aoi Koga
Imani - Fairouz Ai

Since very few of us here actually know Japanese and there is no Japanese translation, someone could just cut out random lines from these VA's works to play over the game and it would probably still work.

 

[crustlord12]

Chika - Ayana Taketatsu: Leafa in SAO

Yumi - Miyuki Sawashiro: Kurapika in Hunter × Hunter (LOL!)

Ayane - Nao Touyama: Chitoge Kirisaki in Nisekoi

Sana - Asami Imai: Kurisu Makise in Steins;Gate

Makoto - Marina Inoue: Armin Arlert in Attack on Titan

Miku - Tomoe Tamiyasu: don't recognize anything as she generally performed for adult games

Rin - Eri Kitamura: Sayaka Miki in Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Futaba - Kana Hanazawa: Mayuri Shiina in Steins;Gate

Maya - Chiwa Saito: Homura Akemi in Puella Magi Madoka Magica (a similar character type as well)

Ami - Konomi Kohara: Chika Fujiwara in Kaguya-sama: Love Is War

Molly - Maaya Uchida: Angel Devil in Chainsaw Man

Tsuneyo - Yui Ishikawa: Mikasa Ackerman in Attack on Titan

Uta - Aki Toyosaki: Yui Hirasawa in K-On!

Io - Rie Takahashi: Megumin in KonoSuba (LOL!)

Otoha - Aimi Terakawa: Yuko Ozawa in Jujutsu Kaisen

Nodoka - Shuka Saitou: You Watanabe in Love Live! Sunshine!!

Yasu - Saori Hayami: Ryuu Lion in Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?

Touka - Ai Kayano: Alice Zuberg in SAO

Noriko - Ayane Sakura: Ochaco Uraraka in My Hero Academia

Kirin - Aoi Yuuki: Diane in The Seven Deadly Sins

Sara - Kana Ueda: Rin Tōsaka in Fate/stay night

Maki - Hiroko Taguchi: Amane Suou in The Fruit of Grisaia

Haruka - Sumire Uesaka: Shalltear Bloodfallen in Overlord

Kaori - Rie Kugimiya: Louise in The Familiar of Zero (extremely big hit)

Karin - Tomoyo Kurasawa: Rebecca in Cyberpunk: Edgerunners

Chinami - Inori Minase: Hestia in Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?

Yuki - Rina Satou: Hayato Kawajiri in Jojo

Osako - Haruka Tomatsu: Lala Satalin Deviluke in To LOVE-Ru

Wakana - Mia Naruse: don't recognize anything as she generally performed in VNs

Niki - Ayasa Itou: Tochtli in A Certain Magical Index III

Tsubasa - Ayaka Minami: apparently an actual TV star?

Tsukasa - Aoi Koga: Kaguya Shinomiya in Kaguya-sama: Love Is War

Imani - Fairouz Ai: Jolyne Cujoh in Jojo

This will heavily depend on how well-versed you are in anime, or if we wavelength at all haha; I don't even watch more than half of what I listed LOL but at least these are the names (not the character names but the anime names) that even I can recognize.

How in the world did he "cast" Rie Takahashi as Io and not Molly?