Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[Xiondingens]

Sumo... Ron?

You dont like those two? Ron is my favorite, but sumo is just okay.

 

[hernestojavier621]

I just did realize something. Now there are just sumo and ron left. Those are the only two of the original class that hasnt done anything really sexual with him. And depending on how you look at a certain event in a locker room at might even just be ron. I am dooooomed!

sumo literally sucked his dick two updates ago

 

[Nadekai]

sumo literally sucked his dick two updates ago

who tf is sumo

 

[hernestojavier621]

who tf is sumo

she looked like this
she had one eye now she has two

 

[Xiondingens]

who tf is sumo

You might know her as Yamo.

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[hernestojavier621]

Don't confuse sumo with santa ☝

fuck you're right

this is sumo aka yamo

 

[Apollo259]

Mayonnaise Macaroni?

 

[hernestojavier621]

also sumo aka yamo had the whole thing with incest girl soooo
only ron left

 

[Xiondingens]

also sumo aka yamo had the whole thing with incest girl soooo
only ron left

That is why i said, depending on how you look at the locker room event. There is also the chance that in that locker room nothing happens at all. It all depends on the order you did certain events in.

 

[hernestojavier621]

That is why i said, depending on how you look at the locker room event. There is also the chance that in that locker room nothing happens at all. It all depends on the order you did certain events in.

yup, goes to show I suck at reading late

here is incest girl (floor two one)

 

[DeSkel15]

Since Sel wont answer the tough question how are these 5 ranked respectively?

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I'd rank Touka, Karin, and Noriko as the top 3 easily. Probably in that order.

All 3 go out of their way to help whoever, especially the homeless:

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I'd also put Uta over Futaba. Futaba is nice, but in a pushover kind of way. Both are willing to help those they care about, but Uta tried to stop Yumi's bullying, and slapped Nodoka for Io. I don't see Futaba standing up to anyone, for anyone besides maybe herself, not to say she wouldn't speak kindly about those she cares about.

Although, certain things make all of their kindness a little sour. For example: Noriko let's a predator and molester do whatever he wants, which is basically what Karin is doing now, except Noriko knows he's gone for younger. This definitely brings into question their altruism.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Remind me what happened in the locker room. I forgot

 

[Xiondingens]

Remind me what happened in the locker room. I forgot

Sumo gets blackmailed by wannabe daughter, which ends up the reason why she did beat the shit out of her later and did return to her mobster family for a while.

 

[DeSkel15]

I'm surprised there isn't Ayane in the original question - she always struck me as a very kind character, just a bit more developed. Meaning, she had encountered hostility more and learned to stand her ground (e.g. against Kirin), which may make her look less kind (but doesn't really).

Since there was Noriko in the question and since I forcefully injected Ayane here, here's smth I've been thinking about: am I the only one who thinks Noriko and Ayane basically have the same personality, just with different life situations?
1. Both are kind to a fault. Ayane deeply loves people around her and seeing them getting hurt really gets to her, like finding Ami stabbed in the last reset or Maya getting reset now. Her default attitude to all around her is exceptionally friendly and, unlike other friendly girls, there is not as much room for jealosy (Chika) or anger (Rin comes to mind). Her kindness hurts her as she cares about Sensei to the point of tolerating him cheating on her and accepts other girls being in love with him.
Meanwhile, Noriko being a martyr is explicitly stated in the story, and it is quite convincing, so I don't even feel like recounting arguments.
2. Both are brave. Ayane keeps positive attitude in the face of timeloops and apocalypse, stands up to Kirin, and does a million more little things, like driving away Yumi when she picks on Futaba in the shower, etc. Noriko never gave up on searching for Sensei and was brave enough to show him Niki's old letters when she felt it could endanger their relationship but was a right thing to do.
3. Both are cheerful and friendly. Ayane and Noriko light up the room and make friends with the most unlikely characters, like Ayane with Sana or Noriko with Yumi.
4. Both obsess about Sensei and are fake yanderes initially. These are more superficial qualities, but they work even better in terms of proving similarities. Ayane and Noriko are the only ones who openly proclaimed their undying love for Sensei as soon as they got the chance. And they both at the start of their storylines seemed the craziest and the most fixated on him. Heck, as stereotypical yanderes they are the only ones known for constantly carrying weapons (Noriko's knife and Ayane's various assortment of guns and swords).

I do feel like they're the same character, just with different quirks and places in the story. There are, of course, little things unique to each one of them, e.g. Ayane wanting to have a shit ton of kids and Noriko being an idealistic rebel with creative (musical) drive. But these are details, and I feel like the only real differences are circumstantial - their situations being different. Noriko's story seems to be about unreciprocated (yet) love, being a martyr and a constant second place, and her keeping her rightiousness and idealism in spite of this. Ayane, I feel, is more about loving in the face of adversity - blackmail, cheating, competition.

And I wouldn't say that there is something wrong with these two having the same basic characteristics - unique situations are enough for their stories to play out differently and in an entertaining way. I'm just trying to sort out my own confusion about this, as I feel like I enjoy Noriko the most out of all the characters, yet there is Ayane, who is nearly identical to her in most regards, but she is somehow a bit lower on my tierlist.
What do you people think?

I think Ayane's kindness is more like a mask she wears.

The real Ayane wants Sensei all for herself, has tried to fuck him on the beds of her best friends, possibly stole Ami's first kiss to cover up her lies, and there was a Main Event that became a deleted scene called 'Horrible People' where she sucked Sensei off under his desk while Ami was talking about wanting to spend time with him, which more or less emphasized that Ayane kind of sucks in more ways than one:

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(Probably too much, hence it becoming a deleted scene while Sel probably prefers it being more subtle.)

Ayane seems to be kind of a shitty person deep down, which may be implied by her causing trouble for businesses, manslaughtering Janitors, and lying to and/or using everyone who's there for her, like Ami and Sana. (Keep in mind Ami and Sana have likely been there for her since her mother left her at 11)

When it comes down to it, Ayane simply seems out for herself:

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And there's nothing we can do to stop her:

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Frankly, Ayane may have even played a part in Maya's crumbling based off how she was acting before it:

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And how Yasu implied she knew Ayane wanted to take Maya's place:

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Which she kind of has, albeit probably not in the way she wanted.

Noriko on the other hand wishes Ayane luck in her pursuit of Sensei:

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And basically wants everyone to be happy, whether it's Ami, Maya, or Uta:

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It's also been shown that Noriko is more perceptive than Ayane:

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Or at least more Empathetic.

Overall: Ayane and Noriko are similar in their outspoken love for Sensei, but are notably different in how they spend their time, think, and treat others.

 

[Dc345]

I'm surprised there isn't Ayane in the original question - she always struck me as a very kind character, just a bit more developed. Meaning, she had encountered hostility more and learned to stand her ground (e.g. against Kirin), which may make her look less kind (but doesn't really).

Since there was Noriko in the question and since I forcefully injected Ayane here, here's smth I've been thinking about: am I the only one who thinks Noriko and Ayane basically have the same personality, just with different life situations?
1. Both are kind to a fault. Ayane deeply loves people around her and seeing them getting hurt really gets to her, like finding Ami stabbed in the last reset or Maya getting reset now. Her default attitude to all around her is exceptionally friendly and, unlike other friendly girls, there is not as much room for jealosy (Chika) or anger (Rin comes to mind). Her kindness hurts her as she cares about Sensei to the point of tolerating him cheating on her and accepts other girls being in love with him.
Meanwhile, Noriko being a martyr is explicitly stated in the story, and it is quite convincing, so I don't even feel like recounting arguments.
2. Both are brave. Ayane keeps positive attitude in the face of timeloops and apocalypse, stands up to Kirin, and does a million more little things, like driving away Yumi when she picks on Futaba in the shower, etc. Noriko never gave up on searching for Sensei and was brave enough to show him Niki's old letters when she felt it could endanger their relationship but was a right thing to do.
3. Both are cheerful and friendly. Ayane and Noriko light up the room and make friends with the most unlikely characters, like Ayane with Sana or Noriko with Yumi.
4. Both obsess about Sensei and are fake yanderes initially. These are more superficial qualities, but they work even better in terms of proving similarities. Ayane and Noriko are the only ones who openly proclaimed their undying love for Sensei as soon as they got the chance. And they both at the start of their storylines seemed the craziest and the most fixated on him. Heck, as stereotypical yanderes they are the only ones known for constantly carrying weapons (Noriko's knife and Ayane's various assortment of guns and swords).

I do feel like they're the same character, just with different quirks and places in the story. There are, of course, little things unique to each one of them, e.g. Ayane wanting to have a shit ton of kids and Noriko being an idealistic rebel with creative (musical) drive. But these are details, and I feel like the only real differences are circumstantial - their situations being different. Noriko's story seems to be about unreciprocated (yet) love, being a martyr and a constant second place, and her keeping her rightiousness and idealism in spite of this. Ayane, I feel, is more about loving in the face of adversity - blackmail, cheating, competition.

And I wouldn't say that there is something wrong with these two having the same basic characteristics - unique situations are enough for their stories to play out differently and in an entertaining way. I'm just trying to sort out my own confusion about this, as I feel like I enjoy Noriko the most out of all the characters, yet there is Ayane, who is nearly identical to her in most regards, but she is somehow a bit lower on my tierlist.
What do you people think?

The Sensei Love Squad is on the opposite end of the kindness spectrum. Like in the same group as Kirin and Io.

 

[joryuken]

Don't deliberately spoil shit for people dude. Even a vague suggestion still fucks with a persons expectations and experience.

you know what you are right (no really you are) I will delete my comment as I said it in the vain of poking fun at myself did not really think of the ramifications of it

 

[joryuken]

It's not because it's a spoiler that that post pisses me off, we talk mostly freely here, you come in after a patch you'll probably get spoiled, what shits me is deliberately spoiling the story for someone, going out of your way to to spoil someone is just a dick move, a complete and total dick move.

I agree and was a very stupid move on my part really I do apologize I will be more careful from now on

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

I agree and was a very stupid move on my part really I do apologize I will be more careful from now on

Hey, at least you didn't let slip that Godzilla turns up as a love interest.... Oops.

 

[joryuken]

once again apologies now I feel like an asshat *I am and there is no other way around it really apologies

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Since Sel wont answer the tough question how are these 5 ranked respectively?

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Of course he won't answer it (I wouldn't either in his shoes), not something easily quantifiable and not something even half of his crowd would agree completely upon any said answer; just look at the thread lol.

But, I'd say Touka, Noriko, and Karin are on the higher end and not in a particular order because the displayed kindness levels among the three aren't that distinguishable to me imo. Maybe Noriko would peak a little bit because she's a little close to unreasonably kind.

Futaba's kindness gives me strong people pleaser/feeble personality vibes that lead her to doing nice things so others would stay off her back. But I'd readdress that there is nothing wrong with it. Kindness is kindness at the end of the day and that's all that matters, but I guess it just strikes me ever so slightly differently compared to the first three.

Aaaand I have no words for Uta unfortunately; why is she here . The girl is nice and sweet, and cheerful enough to glue people together, but I don't think kind is the word I would use on her, and she is in my eyes not even close to be comparable to the other four.

I'm surprised there isn't Ayane in the original question - she always struck me as a very kind character, just a bit more developed. Meaning, she had encountered hostility more and learned to stand her ground (e.g. against Kirin), which may make her look less kind (but doesn't really).

Since there was Noriko in the question and since I forcefully injected Ayane here, here's smth I've been thinking about: am I the only one who thinks Noriko and Ayane basically have the same personality, just with different life situations?
1. Both are kind to a fault. Ayane deeply loves people around her and seeing them getting hurt really gets to her, like finding Ami stabbed in the last reset or Maya getting reset now. Her default attitude to all around her is exceptionally friendly and, unlike other friendly girls, there is not as much room for jealosy (Chika) or anger (Rin comes to mind). Her kindness hurts her as she cares about Sensei to the point of tolerating him cheating on her and accepts other girls being in love with him.
Meanwhile, Noriko being a martyr is explicitly stated in the story, and it is quite convincing, so I don't even feel like recounting arguments.
2. Both are brave. Ayane keeps positive attitude in the face of timeloops and apocalypse, stands up to Kirin, and does a million more little things, like driving away Yumi when she picks on Futaba in the shower, etc. Noriko never gave up on searching for Sensei and was brave enough to show him Niki's old letters when she felt it could endanger their relationship but was a right thing to do.
3. Both are cheerful and friendly. Ayane and Noriko light up the room and make friends with the most unlikely characters, like Ayane with Sana or Noriko with Yumi.
4. Both obsess about Sensei and are fake yanderes initially. These are more superficial qualities, but they work even better in terms of proving similarities. Ayane and Noriko are the only ones who openly proclaimed their undying love for Sensei as soon as they got the chance. And they both at the start of their storylines seemed the craziest and the most fixated on him. Heck, as stereotypical yanderes they are the only ones known for constantly carrying weapons (Noriko's knife and Ayane's various assortment of guns and swords).

I do feel like they're the same character, just with different quirks and places in the story. There are, of course, little things unique to each one of them, e.g. Ayane wanting to have a shit ton of kids and Noriko being an idealistic rebel with creative (musical) drive. But these are details, and I feel like the only real differences are circumstantial - their situations being different. Noriko's story seems to be about unreciprocated (yet) love, being a martyr and a constant second place, and her keeping her rightiousness and idealism in spite of this. Ayane, I feel, is more about loving in the face of adversity - blackmail, cheating, competition.

And I wouldn't say that there is something wrong with these two having the same basic characteristics - unique situations are enough for their stories to play out differently and in an entertaining way. I'm just trying to sort out my own confusion about this, as I feel like I enjoy Noriko the most out of all the characters, yet there is Ayane, who is nearly identical to her in most regards, but she is somehow a bit lower on my tierlist.
What do you people think?

I agree that Ayane should also be put into this little contest due to her act of fending off Yumi for Futaba like you've mentioned, being immediately accommodating to Miku's situation (Pry With a Smile), and checking on Ami with seemingly genuine worry in heart and not accusation after learning the bad uncle truth (The Way it Scatters). In fact I think she at least should be ranked higher than Uta.

But I think she would definitely lose to Noriko in this contest because Ayane is only reasonably nice. Anything wrong with that? Absolutely nothing.