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barglenarglezous

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On the subject of Affection, are any of y'all the kind of nerds to keep a spreadsheet of the maximum NEEDED affection values for the girls? I have a curiosity about this that may play into a theory, but am feeling too lazy to consult the wiki to extract that data myself, especially if someone else has done the labor.

In particular, are their any characters that have required affection levels uncharacteristically higher than the other girls.?
 

shmurfer

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On the subject of Affection, are any of y'all the kind of nerds to keep a spreadsheet of the maximum NEEDED affection values for the girls? I have a curiosity about this that may play into a theory, but am feeling too lazy to consult the wiki to extract that data myself, especially if someone else has done the labor.

In particular, are their any characters that have required affection levels uncharacteristically higher than the other girls.?
Well you have Ayane as the outlier at several thousand.
 
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fdsasdf_p

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I wouldn't call it unfathomable, she was hysterical in that moment. Sekai could have been trying to calm her down for all we know. I don't know who else it would be.
I can point out a few other options to think about.

- I'll start with Sekai then.

From the context of this event, Ami was just talking about how she missed her mom because she mistakenly thought Sekai was still the reason why Sensei broke down this time. There, Ami again showed her high praises toward Sekai and how she missed her immensely. It is just too much of a stretch for Ami to go 180 from "You missed Sekai right?! I missed her too but don't worry I am here for you!" to just "STFU!" toward Sekai's ghost. Besides, even when she was under hysteria, being able to yell at Sekai has never been previously established as a capable trait of Ami.

More importantly, Ami talking to Sekai overall as an idea means way too huge; with the minimal concrete evidence we have, we would have to take too many mental gymnasium classes to make everything sensible. For example, if Ami was responding to Sekai back then, the follow up questions are "When did Ami start seeing ghost Sekai?", "How long has Ami been seeing Sekai so that she could bring herself to yell at her dead parent ghost instead of having an emotional breakdown?", and then "Has Ami been lying about her feeling toward Sekai this whole time?"

Essentially, all these questions extended from assuming Sekai being the one Ami was yelling at can't be answered to satisfaction for the time being when Ami has yet to show any critical sign of it (like talking about things or using specific phrases she shouldn't have known). All these make Sekai the smallest pie in a pie chart.

- Other strange entities.

There is no way to prove it, either. We can insert anyone that kind of fits the context, but that itself is not a proof of them actually being there in the same room with the Arakawas (besides, similar questions like "When did Ami start seeing shit?" or "Why are they there in Sensei's room even?" come back). I'd say it might actually be Angel 1 and 2 who's doing some nanny nanny boo boo and taunting Ami's situation, but only because I thought it'd be funny and these two deserve to be yelled at from time to time and not because I have evidence.

- Really just herself (my go-to).

Have you ever been under difficult times, which weighted so heavily on you that you started naysaying about the path you took, the decisions you made, and yourself altogether? Granted, my experience never got to a point that I'd verbally yell at my own shoulder angel or demon, and it's also admittedly too absolute to reconstruct exactly what delusion Ami was going through based off others' experiences, but going with this never has to answer the aforementioned lore-heavy questions. It works without needing to assume huge implications such as Ami not only could see/sense Sekai, but also could talk to her.

I dont really comment on well, anything. But one thing that irks me and i feel would make more sense even in this nonsensical game would be a change to the affection system.
It doesnt make sense that you need to have 30 affection with someone and they still hate your guts for the events that need it.
I get that you want a grind but if you care so much about the story making sense maybe dont include the story in that grind at the expense of it making sense as well.

The most direct example is how it only takes like 15 affection for ayane and ami to pretty much open up everything but their darkest secrets.

But even with 30 needed for an event yumi still would throw up if we touch her.

It doesnt make sense that you NEED high affection for events that truly barely move the needle. Affection should in my mind represent how close you need to be with the girl to access an event with the amount of affection representing around the same amount of closeness for all the girls.

Essentially I dont think it makes sense to need high affection to do things that are hardly any different. Yumi being the main example. Im not convinced even in chapter 2 that we should be above a 10. And there shouldnt be an affection requirement for just constantly helping her find jobs. Especially when you gate all the events behind other events anyway making it almost impossible to miss any due to high affection outside of maybe a couple obvious bad choices.

Its fine to just have lower affection reqs for characters we arent that close with in the narrative yet. It would make more sense to raise those as we actually get closer to them. Like to invtie them over. Or progress the romance. Or to learn secrets about them.
Not to talk about job hunts over and over.

Just my own personal nit pick. Everything else i take in stride and hope will be fixed when its finished.
I used to think affection/lust system actually exists within the universe, and it serves as a god-tailored world design that forces girls to fall in love with Sensei as soon as he steps into their lives, especially with girls like Yumi (I also used to think that her affection point should've started as a negative number) and shit like throwing 6M points to Molly and seemingly having effects; each girl just has different levels of resistance or simply more difficult cases (if you would), hence they require higher affection points and you still can't get handsy with them.

But that's me giving Selly way too much benefit of the doubt when at the end of the day this is just a common dating sim mechanism that even he cannot escape from. More importantly, the fact that some requirements are high enough to piss people off is enough to say that his vision of game pacing simply isn't universally agreed upon viewers.
 
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JelF547

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On the subject of Affection, are any of y'all the kind of nerds to keep a spreadsheet of the maximum NEEDED affection values for the girls? I have a curiosity about this that may play into a theory, but am feeling too lazy to consult the wiki to extract that data myself, especially if someone else has done the labor.

In particular, are their any characters that have required affection levels uncharacteristically higher than the other girls.?
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UPD: New maya have broken some calculations, I'll fix it later but for now highest affection requirement chat is shifted :(
UPD2: Fixed
 
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Moonflare

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Ngl I understand Miku's fear of blood.

lesson learned, turn off the lights you horn dog. at least that's what i always do by experience lol
I mean, I don't like blood either, but when you have to scrape off parts of your body, blood and other stuff from your underwear every month whilst leaking, blood is kind of a package deal.

It's understandable Miku has a problem with blood because of her parents, but at the same time, was it really that much blood to conjure up flashbacks of her trauma?

Regardless, I'm pretty sure if ever someone was in a situation where something akin to that happens, the lights would be going up quite quickly lol
 

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Average score for girls from LiLcord based on tier lists:
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I could say so much stuff. But I'm just glad I'm here rather than there. What a peculiar place :ROFLMAO:

Edit: I find it hard to fathom a list where Ayane is best girl even if it was manipulated by Himawari.
 

DeanNoriko

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Ayane is the best girl!
Tbf, I can kind of get behind this list.
It's not exactly that close to mine, but I can at least understand why it looks like this.

The "problem" with averages is always that results will get kind of muddled. Or in other words, controversial characters will get very high votes, but also very low votes.
In the end, the top characters will be the ones that the least amount of players truly hate.

And from that perspective, the results absolutely make sense. The top contenders are just genuinely kind and affectionate girls that are not overly complicated for the player and that everyone can get behind (pun intended in this case).
I'd say after the top half you can notice there starting to be more divisive and complex characters, among literal children.
Basically, if you look at the bottom 15, they are basically all either children, rather boring characters (Futaba, Karin, Otoha, Maki, Osako) or very intimidating (Chika, her recent developments are visible here I feel, Yuki, Nodoka, Tsubasa) and also very justifiably Haruka, who I would be very surprised if anyone listed anywhere near their top 10 (Apologies if you do).
 

LessonsInDissonance

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Tbf, I can kind of get behind this list.
It's not exactly that close to mine, but I can at least understand why it looks like this.

The "problem" with averages is always that results will get kind of muddled. Or in other words, controversial characters will get very high votes, but also very low votes.
In the end, the top characters will be the ones that the least amount of players truly hate.

And from that perspective, the results absolutely make sense. The top contenders are just genuinely kind and affectionate girls that are not overly complicated for the player and that everyone can get behind (pun intended in this case).
I'd say after the top half you can notice there starting to be more divisive and complex characters, among literal children.
Basically, if you look at the bottom 15, they are basically all either children, rather boring characters (Futaba, Karin, Otoha, Maki, Osako) or very intimidating (Chika, her recent developments are visible here I feel, Yuki, Nodoka, Tsubasa) and also very justifiably Haruka, who I would be very surprised if anyone listed anywhere near their top 10 (Apologies if you do).
I don't care about your analysis Haruka fucking sucks and Osako needs to get hit by Sekai's car
 

John E. Ringo

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That’s the third time today I’ve noticed Ami’s computer looking all glitchy… All are in different scenes too, so this is an intentional recurring detail. Have to wonder what it means, if anything.

Either way, pretty cool. It’s something I haven’t really noticed until recently.
Asset limitations, or something like that. Yeah...Probably.
 

anothersilo

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Why do people hate Osako? I get the Haurka and Tsubasa hate, and wholeheartedly believe the game would be significantly better if Nodaka wasn't in it, so I get why they're all at the bottom. But was surprised to see Osako there.
 

DeanNoriko

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Why do people hate Osako? I get the Haurka and Tsubasa hate, and wholeheartedly believe the game would be significantly better if Nodaka wasn't in it, so I get why they're all at the bottom. But was surprised to see Osako there.
Osako has been widely considered a bit of a bland and spineless character whose main character traits seemed to be being Wakana's lesbian girlfriend and therefore also being one of the few females not at all interested in Akira.
I personally don't hate her and wouldn't want her gone, but I also find it hard to come up with arguments for why she could be someone's favorite.

But I have to praise Sel here for a moment, as I feel he has addressed her character development, or lack thereof, and tried to flesh her out a little bit recently. He made Akira acknowledge her value for being a potentially good friend, exactly for the reason that they would not be into each other. And her becoming a bit more proactive and independent, making sound decisions and genuinely trying to better herself finally. I find what's going on between her and Akira is becoming really wholesome and is hopefully developing into a kind of buddy relationship that he intended to find in Imani (who I feel is in turn stalling now in her character development). Also he fixed her hair, she is cute now.

Regarding Nodoka, by the way, I would definitely disagree with you though. I personally also don't like her personality at all, as in, I would absolutely not want to be friends with, let alone be romantically involved with, a person like her. But she is unique in many ways.
First off with her connections to other characters, not only the main 20 + 15 side characters, but more notably to more mysterious characters. But also with her immense world knowledge and neurotic and obsessive view on and approach to things. She could become a crucial character in the plot and would be absolutely missing if she somehow vanished.
Also, any good story should always include unlikable people.

Which also means that I actually don't hate any character currently in LiL. Which is a testament to the writing. While I dislike a few of the girls, or even gods, involved in the story, they all play a vital role and the game would be worse off without them.
 
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