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Things. Things about Ami. Things about Ami acting differently towards Ayane, opposite to Nodoka.

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I swear the foreshadowing borders on obnoxious when you know what's coming. Ayane "jokes" about being pregnant in almost every event at some points.
I think the first time Ayane jokes about being pregnant is even before the first reset. Which makes me really think if when the joke became an uncomfortable reality that she then had to pretend to be a joke, since she knew Akira would not approve of it.
 
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So it remains a big mystery to this day:
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Who was the little girl with not pink hair that hung around Akira's house in the old district? (at the time that Sekai was still alive) - I mean, it can only be Maya, right? But he only met Maya after Sekai died, so which Maya was it? Maybe it was the Maya that was conjured up to change the timeline? Narrator Maya or something?

The other possibility, obviously, is that it was a different Noriko. Meaning that the current Niki and Noriko are fakes, including the pink hair, and that there were other Niki and Noriko in the original timeline. Don't know about that though, because Niki existed with pink hair in the Sekai gets married with Akira timeline... and she had pink hair then.

Could it be one of the Arakawa possible bastards? Sana, Nodoka, Rin? But why would they be in Akira's family home in the first place? Rin would be in an orphanage, so not her. Hard to imagine Sana being there by herself even if Nozomu brought her... Why wouldn't Shota be there too? Maybe Nodoka?
Why are you convinced Maya and Akira didn't meet before the accident? That would be the simplest explanation by far. As I wrote before, I think there's more hints that they did meet than evidence that they didn't. Here's one more hint that I forgot to include in that post:
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As for your other candidates:
  • Noriko: Both of the Nakayamas' parents also have pink hair, and we have no other evidence for hair color changes. We also know (thanks to narrators) that their inner thoughts are consistent with them being real people who have always existed in this timeline.
  • Sana and Rin: Their fathers were never in their lives, so they wouldn't have had any connection to Akira.
  • Nodoka: I'm convinced that Nozomu can't be her father, but even if he was he probably wasn't part of her life. If Yuu is her father, she was born years after he left his family with Saki, so I don't know why she would know Akira.
Also, if it's any daughter of Nozomu, why would a play date with Ami be at Akira's house rather than Nozomu's? Akira and Nozomu don't get along and it's not like he could be trying to hide it from Sekai when Akira sucks at keeping secrets from her.
I think the first time Ayane jokes about being pregnant is even before the first reset. Which makes me really think if when the joke become an uncomfortable reality that she then had to pretend to be a joke, since she knew Akira would not approve of it.
Yeah, she had very good reason to be worried about Sensei's reaction. This is from shortly after the first reset:
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That's why she chickened out on the roof.
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It's especially understandable when you take into account her abandonment issues and how she feels that the Arakawas are the only family she has now. She's absolutely terrified that Sensei is so opposed to being a father that he'll leave her (also taking Ami) when she tells him.
 

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I think the first time Ayane jokes about being pregnant is even before the first reset. Which makes me really think if when the joke become an uncomfortable reality that she then had to pretend to be a joke, since she knew Akira would not approve of it.
I mean, sort of. She has a longer discussion about it with Akira when they visit Io's bath place in the first chapter (before the second reset) - and Akira's not that opposed to it.

It boils down to him telling her that she'd make a good mother and that it's something he's not looking forward to right now.

I get why Ayane would feel anxious about telling Akira the news, but tbf to Akira, he's nowhere near that hostile to the idea as one might expect (he did tell Ayane she'd make a good mom and he "raised" Ami when her supposed parents died).

Edit: regarding what aramaug brought up with Akira's reaction, if you're a man and ever had some girl you're not even in a relationship with "joke" that she's pregnant, I think you wouldn't criticize Akira too much for being pissed at her joking around with this. He's more pissed at her making light of something very serious than of actually being pregnant in my eyes.

- also, getting a 15 year old that's his student pregnant would be one of the worst things that could happen regardless of his thoughts on kids.
 
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Why are you convinced Maya and Akira didn't meet before the accident? That would be the simplest explanation by far. As I wrote before, I think there's more hints that they did meet than evidence that they didn't. Here's one more hint that I forgot to include in that post:
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As for your other candidates:
  • Noriko: Both of the Nakayamas' parents also have pink hair, and we have no other evidence for hair color changes. We also know (thanks to narrators) that their inner thoughts are consistent with them being real people who have always existed in this timeline.
  • Sana and Rin: Their fathers were never in their lives, so they wouldn't have had any connection to Akira.
  • Nodoka: I'm convinced that Nozomu can't be her father, but even if he was he probably wasn't part of her life. If Yuu is her father, she was born years after he left his family with Saki, so I don't know why she would know Akira.
Also, if it's any daughter of Nozomu, why would a play date with Ami be at Akira's house rather than Nozomu's? Akira and Nozomu don't get along and it's not like he could be trying to hide it from Sekai when Akira sucks at keeping secrets from her.

Yeah, she had very good reason to be worried about Sensei's reaction. This is from shortly after the first reset:
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That's why she chickened out on the roof.
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It's especially understandable when you take into account her abandonment issues and how she feels that the Arakawas are the only family she has now. She's absolutely terrified that Sensei is so opposed to being a father that he'll leave her (also taking Ami) when she tells him.
Maya started showing up to tutoring lessons way after Noriko. If she was with Akira before Sekai's death it would make no sense for her to show up later. In fact, given that she meets Akira after running away from home, it would mean she'd be living in the Arakawa family home, which wouldn't make sense either with her later moving to the tutoring place.

Edit: Your older post makes sense, but I'm not convinced by it. I mean, I'm not convinced by it without a supernatural interference that puts a Maya there. If that's the case then I'm onboard.

Basically I don't think having Maya in his life fits the Akira that was in a relationship with both Sekai and Niki. If that wasn't an 8 year old though, and instead was a conjured up narrator Maya, then I'm cool with it.
 
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Why are you convinced Maya and Akira didn't meet before the accident? That would be the simplest explanation by far. As I wrote before, I think there's more hints that they did meet than evidence that they didn't. Here's one more hint that I forgot to include in that post:
June 2019, which is your date of registration.
Please don't take it the wrong way, but you seem to have missed (besides lot's of other people), that we had this "discussion" already, and it ended up very heated. (I know because i was involved :rolleyes:, no bad blood though from pov)

The argue seems still alive though.
Lately, due to Sel's "Time Travel ™", sadly both might be true. Kinda thanks to our resident alleged goth girl's theory, where one reality might be created by another.
While i got to admit i am not a fan of that. I'd rather have it plain and simple.
 
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Replaying the game makes me really miss the old Chika. Of course she wasn't perfect, but at the very least she had her heart at the right place and was actually sane.
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oh god i hope the game doesnt go viral...
Why wouldn't you want it to go viral?
Not that it's very likely at all, but I'd imagine that the increased income would at least not hurt the development. Unless Selebus' already quite over-developed hubris would not be able to take it and he would somehow become either content and lazy or too over ambitious all of a sudden.

I mean, I get that we generally don't really like the guy, but I would still wish him success. I am after all enjoying his product, I would be a hypocrite to wish him anything bad in that regard.
 
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Replaying the game makes me really miss the old Chika. Of course she wasn't perfect, but at the very least she had her heart at the right place and was actually sane.
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Why wouldn't you want it to go viral?
Not that it's very likely at all, but I'd imagine that the increased income would at least not hurt the development. Unless Selebus' already quite over-developed hubris would not be able to take it and he would somehow become either content and lazy or too over ambitious all of a sudden.

I mean, I get that we generally don't really like the guy, but I would still wish him success. I am after all enjoying his product, I would be a hypocrite to wish him anything bad in that regard.
i dont mean it to spite selebus. not all attention is good attention especially on twitter that place is so toxic. if it got mainstream i think people would try to get his subscribestar taken down or do some other bs because of the controversial themes of the game
 

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i dont mean it to spite selebus. not all attention is good attention especially on twitter that place is so toxic. if it got mainstream i think people would try to get his subscribestar taken down or do some other bs because of the controversial themes of the game
Yeah, that tweet going viral weeks before Wizard content might be in the game was a bit shocking.
 
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i dont mean it to spite selebus. not all attention is good attention especially on twitter that place is so toxic. if it got mainstream i think people would try to get his subscribestar taken down or do some other bs because of the controversial themes of the game
I personally don't think the game is really in danger of being cancelled by a mob from X, of all places.
  1. The only people really shocked by the content, at least so far, would probably be normies anyway, and I don't see normies finding their way to an adult visual novel. Besides, X is a cesspool of weirdos and people very far away from being normal - and I'm typing this on a porn game message board.
  2. The stuff isn't really all that bad so far anyway. In a world where loli hentai is mainstream in at least Japan, I don't see nieche stuff like this raising too many eyebrows.
  3. The platform (subscribestar) probably wouldn't care much. If anything, they probably already received some pushback on other projects I imagine, given the kind of other stuff they feature on there.
At the end of the day, anyone interested enough to look into the game deep enough to notice the problematic stuff would probably already have to be a gooner. And gooners typically don't want to raise attention to them gooning and would not care anyway.

The only thing that could realistically cause a problem to the development, in my opinion, is if somehow Selebus himself would receive some negative attention. There have been examples in the past where stuff like that can happen, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he is actually a decent enough guy to not do anything stupid irl.
 
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Maya started showing up to tutoring lessons way after Noriko. If she was with Akira before Sekai's death it would make no sense for her to show up later. In fact, given that she meets Akira after running away from home, it would mean she'd be living in the Arakawa family home, which wouldn't make sense either with her later moving to the tutoring place.

Edit: Your older post makes sense, but I'm not convinced by it. I mean, I'm not convinced by it without a supernatural interference that puts a Maya there. If that's the case then I'm onboard.

Basically I don't think having Maya in his life fits the Akira that was in a relationship with both Sekai and Niki. If that wasn't an 8 year old though, and instead was a conjured up narrator Maya, then I'm cool with it.
This can be solved by hypothesizing a few scenarios without involving anything supernatural:

1. I can assume that the nature of Maya visiting pre-accident and the nature of Maya encountering post-accident being different. For example, the playdate took place due to a normal visit between the families, then Maya showed up to Akira's tutoring castle a few years later due to her running away from her family.

2. Or, the first playdate was also a result of a runaway attempt; Arakawa family found her, let Ami keep her company for a little while without telling Ami what happened, before locating the Makinami family and sending Maya back.

3. [Be creative here]

I will acknowledge that I have zero proof to support anything above and all of it is essentially creative writing. But, I will say that the mysterious playdate girl being Maya is, for the time being, the "least unlikely" option. This is because, compared to Maya, the past of other main cast girls are a lot clearer, leaving considerably smaller wiggle room to insert any hypothesized scenario that can make sense of this playdate without clashing into preestablished knowledge about the said girls (Simply put, in my eye Maya as a candidate will survive the most rounds of process of elimination).

Like the case of Rin and Sana you brought up; there would be so many "but if this is true, what about that?" type of follow up questions that will plummet their chances of being the playdate girl. Besides, I didn't think being a potential bastard of Nozomu was a required element that facilitated the said playdate (I understand that you're trying to find candidates with at least one additional layer of connection to the Arakawas). Thus, even if Nodoka's past is less clear and more suspicious than the aforementioned two, her chance is as big as the thread's favorite Otoha: low.

Maya on the other hand, her past history is highly connected to Akira, and is almost entirely unclear or well certified, and Maya herself has been shown to conceals information constantly even in the present days. Combining those with how other main cast girls (plus their moms if applicable) interact with Ami and Sensei in the current time, no other main cast girl has a suspicion level nearly as high as Maya.

You'd notice that I also assume that the playdate girl will exclusively turn out to be one of the main cast girls. Breaking this assumption is very easy and realistic, but narratively makes little sense. Because of that, this playdate girl's relevance to Sensei and Ami will also have to be high enough if such under the radar reunion is true. Noriko might fit here under this lens, but I simply find dyeing a less than 7 year old girl's hair bizarre ever since her pink hair was proven to be natural (unless this in fact is a culturally common thing and I am massively unaware of it, or unless there in fact exists a possibly good enough reason for a preschool Noriko to dye her hair).

PS. I am not sure how valid the following can be, but I also assume that Sekai would know who this playdate girl is, and ghost Sekai has made comments on two prime candidates: Noriko and Nodoka. She doesn't seem to recognize neither (but yea asking a ghost mom to remember a girl from a playdate with your daughter well before she bit the dust might just be too much to ask)
 

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I personally don't think the game is really in danger of being cancelled by a mob from X, of all places.
  1. The only people really shocked by the content, at least so far, would probably be normies anyway, and I don't see normies finding their way to an adult visual novel. Besides, X is a cesspool of weirdos and people very far away from being normal - and I'm typing this on a porn game message board.
  2. The stuff isn't really all that bad so far anyway. In a world where loli hentai is mainstream in at least Japan, I don't see nieche stuff like this raising too many eyebrows.
  3. The platform (subscribestar) probably wouldn't care much. If anything, they probably already received some pushback on other projects I imagine, given the kind of other stuff they feature on there.
At the end of the day, anyone interested enough to look into the game deep enough to notice the problematic stuff would probably already have to be a gooner. And gooners typically don't want to raise attention to them gooning and would not care anyway.

The only thing that could realistically cause a problem to the development, in my opinion, is if somehow Selebus himself would receive some negative attention. There have been examples in the past where stuff like that can happen, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he is actually a decent enough guy to not do anything stupid irl.
1. True. I saw an X account of a Chinese girl born in 2006 who was selling herself. A reminder that she is legally 18.
2. Still, Sel is American, not Japanese. Western normies less tolerant to this stuff. And we'll be lucky (especially Sel) if the game won't get attention from activists or whatever they call themselves.
3. I dunno about that. But I'll trust you here.
 
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