Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[Arato23]

yeah that's another good catch, John being a Chicken because of Japan's Christmas "tradition" of KFC

 

[Lolicon Kami]

Usually because of something that doesn't allow them to continue, no such thing has happened to Selebus nor is there such a

I would hate it, but there's always the possibility that Patreon could (successfully) pull an Onlyfans and ban all adult content. Seriously, though, it sucks that we live in a world where discrimination against the sex/adult/porn industry is legally alright

 

[IIyJIbKa]

Word of the day ?

 

[Dragon59]

I would hate it, but there's always the possibility that Patreon could (successfully) pull an Onlyfans and ban all adult content. Seriously, though, it sucks that we live in a world where discrimination against the sex/adult/porn industry is legally alright

Seriously, that was a very short-sighted move.

 

[Cernunnos.]

Here I was thinking Wakana's favorite poet would be Sylvia Plath but I suppose Poe is similarly depressing and would have less problem with the age disparities.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Word of the day ?

Literally given to you at the start of the scene. It even makes a big deal out of it.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Seriously, that was a very short-sighted move.

It was forced by their banking partners, and OF only got the leverage to renegotiate their terms with their banking partners after their existence was threatened by the exodus.

Banks put these platform in no-win situations on purpose.

 

[JoePlant]

yeah that's another good catch, John being a Chicken because of Japan's Christmas "tradition" of KFC

Frankly I figured it was more the case that it was a rooster in relationship to Peter denying Jesus 3 times before the rooster crowed.

 

[alex2011]

Selebus is one of the most regular and committed devs, so I wouldn't doubt that Lessons in Love will continue for a long time. Just look at the game-play, the story, and the dialog. There is nothing quick or half-assed about it. You can clearly see that this is a passion project for Selebus. Plus, he is one of the few devs that actually have regular high quality, sizeable, and regular updates.

As for whether having the game show up here helps or hurts creators, I think it goes both ways, but overall mostly positive for the dev. It undeniably helps them get patrons, since for me, all the games I personally support, I only found out through here, by playing them. I think that is the case for the majority of supporters of VNs. Players discover the game here or on other sources, play an update or two, and if they love it, and can contribute, many do so. For me personally, I contribute to devs solely to help them and encourage them to continue their games. I rarely ever log into Patreon to collect any game rewards or look at the status there, I hang around the forums here because it is more dynamic and fun, than reading and writing comments on the Patreon pages.

I subscribe to devs because I want to support them, not because I want to get the releases a few weeks early. It doesn't bother me one bit, as a subscriber, if games I support get leaked early.

Of course you will have some users that only subscribe to the patron to get the game, and then quickly unsubscribe, that aren't particularly interested in supporting the devs long term, and those who won't ever give a dollar one way or another, but those people will be around whether sites like this one exist or not. I don't think a poll like this would be welcomed by Petreon, but I bet if Selebus polled his sponsors and asked what made them want to contribute, nearly all of them would say that they found the game, here or elsewhere, played it for awhile, and then contributed to the dev because they wanted to support them, and perhaps wanted some extra perks, or to join the community on Discord, or something similar.

I totally understand how devs can be a little irritated when their game leaks before the public release, but ultimately, for every update that shows up here, means more users discovering the game, and a percentage of them, will lead to more subscribers.

Ultimately, the devs that get the most loyal fans, and thus long term subscibers, are the ones that take a little time to hang around here once and awhile, and shoot the shit with their fans, answer questions about their game, and take good-natured suggestions, and have a good attitude about occasional rude and trolling comments.



I disagree with this point. Nearly all the games I support have been around 6 months or longer before I had a chance to play them and become a fan of the game, and decide to support them on Patreon. Every update that shows up here, is more likely to find new users like me. I only look at games that show up on the Latest Updates screen. A game could be amazing, but if is never updated, I will never find out about it. Sure, when I started out here a year or so ago, I read a lot of recommendation threads, and sorted by rating, but now I've tried or at least looked at all the highly rated completed games (I think), so now I just browse the Latest Updates screen regularly to see what is new and what has been updated that I haven't played yet that looks promising.

You are one person, that is not an indication of helping or hurting, I found the game because of it, too, but again I am but one person. What IS an indication is when the developer sees consistent drops in incoming patrons for leaked updates and significant increases in non-leaked updates. Piracy isn't hurting the game to a fatal degree, yet, I agree on that, but that doesn't mean it isn't hurting the game.

yeah that's another good catch, John being a Chicken because of Japan's Christmas "tradition" of KFC

You know, I hadn't even considered that, though Japanese Christmas is less the celebration of Jesus's birth and more the commercialized variant of the holiday. They have Christians over there, but Christianity is a minority religion to Buddhism and Shintoism, both of which don't celebrate that particular holiday.

I would hate it, but there's always the possibility that Patreon could (successfully) pull an Onlyfans and ban all adult content. Seriously, though, it sucks that we live in a world where discrimination against the sex/adult/porn industry is legally alright

They wouldn't dare after their attempt on anime art style hentai games, they already know that's a mass exodus waiting to happen. The only way they would is if the profit outweighed the losses, like if some new sponsor came in with a bigger offer than what they would lose by literally losing every user they have contingent on ousting adult content entirely.

Seriously, that was a very short-sighted move.

It was forced by their banking partners, and OF only got the leverage to renegotiate their terms with their banking partners after their existence was threatened by the exodus.

Banks put these platform in no-win situations on purpose.

VERY short-sighted, Onlyfans is practically nothing compared to what it once was even with the resolution that ultimately came out of the situation. People just won't trust them anymore to not pull that again. It's the same reason I'm actually NOT considering Patreon for some future projects of my own. They may be the big boys in town, but they aren't worth the trouble even if I don't do anything they might get rid of.

 

[pelvicsorceror]

after scouring the spider scene in word of the day forever i still have no clue what love is. the answer is probably not not having a big penis to hurt girl with

so where the hell is it

is the game punishing me because i answered with ''baby dont hurt me''

 

[barglenarglezous]

after scouring the spider scene in word of the day forever i still have no clue what love is. the answer is probably not not having a big penis to hurt girl with

so where the hell is it

is the game punishing me because i answered with ''baby dont hurt me''

It's in the hidden scene you can access through the menu, but you might have been distracted by sunflowers and tiddies at the time.

And I think more people tried "baby don't hurt me" than didn't.

 

[heaven refining]

Will there be an android version of this game?

 

[Vidaura]

Will there be an android version of this game?

I believe the game is too large for android now. I think people have had success with tools to install the windows version on android (Joiplay?)

 

[Arato23]

Frankly I figured it was more the case that it was a rooster in relationship to Peter denying Jesus 3 times before the rooster crowed.

well if the Rooster was named Peter maybe but I think it's a Christmas KFC reference, cause that's what Japanese people think of Christmas

 

[cckerberos]

That's about as accurate as saying candy corn is what American people think of Halloween.

Like, yeah... candy corn is a Halloween thing. But it's hardly number one on anyone's list.

 

[alex2011]

Well, it's hard to say it is hurting the game, since without sites like F95, there would be very few users that would discover the game in the first place, and an even smaller pool to subscribe. Like I said, I would bet that the vast majority of patrons for this game and nearly all others, would never have subscribed in the first place if they hadn't discovered the game here or on similar sites. You can't look at some patrons unsubscribing as a loss since they would never have subscribed in the first place if they hadn't discovered the game here or elsewhere, and many more subscribers stay subscribed month after month. Plus, I am sure LiL gets new subscribers every month, most of which find the game here or similar sites. Selebus is doing very well on Patreon, as you know, which is well deserved. But he would not have the number of suscribers he has by a long shot if it weren't for sites like this that expose many people to his game.

No, it isn't. Selebus has specifically said there are significant drops in new subscribers around leaked updates and significant increases around non-leaked updates. Those decreases automatically hurt the game. The part about F95 was true in the beginning, when there weren't so many people playing, but that isn't true anymore. F95 outlived its usefulness to this game as far as exposure a while ago, before we even hit the 1 year anniversary. It is only really useful as a way to get help or talk about issues that need fixing, and that second one would not be helpful if Selebus hadn't come here to interact directly as we would have had to go to his Patreon or other pages. I'm not talking about patrons leaving, I'm talking about people not becoming patrons as a result of the leaks whereas non-leaked updates see more people becoming patrons.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Well, it's hard to say it is hurting the game, since without sites like F95, there would be very few users that would discover the game in the first place, and an even smaller pool to subscribe. Like I said, I would bet that the vast majority of patrons for this game and nearly all others, would never have subscribed in the first place if they hadn't discovered the game here or on similar sites. You can't look at some patrons unsubscribing as a loss since they would never have subscribed in the first place if they hadn't discovered the game here or elsewhere, and many more subscribers stay subscribed month after month. Plus, I am sure LiL gets new subscribers every month, most of which find the game here or similar sites. Selebus is doing very well on Patreon, as you know, which is well deserved. But he would not have the number of suscribers he has by a long shot if it weren't for sites like this that expose many people to his game.

The distinction you're missing here is that if the game isn't already leaked by the two week mark, Selebus uploads it here himself. Yes, this site is overall good for him -- but only when there's a reasonable window between the Patreon launch and it appearing here for free to encourage people to sub (or to stay subbed). If it appears here within 2 hours of going live it generates substantially fewer subs for him, and any attempt to argue that as something that's good for him is going to fall flat.

Even a five day wait before leaking would probably end this constant bickering that happens every time there's an update.

 

[alex2011]

The distinction you're missing here is that if the game isn't already leaked by the two week mark, Selebus uploads it here himself. Yes, this site is overall good for him -- but only when there's a reasonable window between the Patreon launch and it appearing here for free to encourage people to sub (or to stay subbed). If it appears here within 2 hours of going live it generates substantially fewer subs for him, and any attempt to argue that as something that's good for him is going to fall flat.

Even a five day wait before leaking would probably end this constant bickering that happens every time there's an update.

Precisely, leaks encourage downloading from here specifically, waiting for the actual developer to give an approved upload encourages supporting them and allows them to provide the patron only period they were meant to provide for patrons. Though I would argue that there is a window for a site like this to be effective and that, once a game becomes established enough, as this one has, usually before the one year mark, that effectiveness ceases and sites like this no longer help.

 

[Antosha]

You're right, strange. It seems the message function pictures, for example, are PNG. There is no Yuu character.

Spoiler: There's

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PNG images allow for transparency.

 

[Lolicon Kami]

There are some png files I thought all events are webp. Also is there any character named Yuu?

Reference to Selebus's first game,

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The girl from Nothing is Beautiful (2nd to top image on itch.io) pops up in one scene during LessonsinLove, during one of the Happy events (albeit very briefly).