Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[KnowNoHope]

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not really definitive like what i'm told was in the care package.
this is a difference in suggestive possibility that gave the idea in the first place vs outright confirmation

 

[DeSkel15]

i mean fair enough i guess, i took it as she was kinda tricked into a relationship with him where she got drugged up and she got her virginity taken from her and then she was in a position of having to choose to leave and be on the streets and pregnant or stay in a toxic relationship and put out, which I dont really associate with 'whore'.
the honor thing vs prostitution isn't me putting my own views into it, but observation that some people hold those views. she doesnt seem the type to look down on the profession but she seemed like the type to avoid it. (why else would she build a rep as a fighter chick no one wants to approach that beats the shit out of thugs, most people were to scared of her to even approach her while she lived with the yakuza, from her memory the only guy she slept with was yumi's dad but she has no recollection of anyone else but admits someone could have just fucked her while she was drugged up, hard to call her a whore if that is the case imo... but her extremly low oppinion of herself easily shows she thinks of herself in such a way, (she low key and high key hates herself)
which event is the one we have a flashback of yuki beating the shit out of yakuza and meeting them for the first time?

It seems more like sucking a dick seemed worth it for living the easy life, to me. It wasn't until after she got knocked up while drugged out, then had Yumi, that she decided to leave, years down the line, while keeping his name just in case. I also don't recall it actually being said to be her virginity, just what knocked her up.

"why else would she build a rep as a fighter chick no one wants to approach that beats the shit out of thugs", likely to avoid being raped, like what would have probably happened if she didn't fight back against Yumi's father's goons back when they met.

Her also not remembering but thinking it's possible she's been fucked by others, kind of implies how she was getting drugs in the first place. The whole every guy she met trying to get in her pants line also implies she was used to stuff like it. It also could explain why she hates herself beyond just the drug abuse and doesn't see why Sensei wants to be with her. Not to mention, she never said she never sucked any other guy off, just that she doesn't remember having a thing with others. I think she was meaning in terms of getting fucked by them or maybe just simply dating. I'm also not sure how else she's been able to pay for stuff since she's never had a job prior to the bar.

As for the prostitution, I definitely get that it depends on what one finds "honorable", but still, I think I explained my reasonings. Also the whole meeting Yumi's dad thing was mentioned in Yuki's second event.

 

[DeSkel15]

So...
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Just a theory, but Sana's brother getting shanked might be more of a cover story like the entire space war thing. People might just think these things due to mental alteration. Something actually may have just wiped out most of the males, and created this loop so that Sensei could knock up the class and feed it his children indefinitely. Or perhaps teach the being responsible for everything; "love".

Might explain the whole "Lessons in Love" name. Sensei (along with everyone else) could have been chosen to teach/show some eldritch being what Love is.

I still think this game will go the Black Souls route, though, tbh, and the thing taking Sekai's form might actually be some kind of crawling chaos from lovecraftian horror. So, that's probably influencing me somewhat.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Just a theory, but Sana's brother getting shanked might be more of a cover story like the entire space war thing. People might just think these things due to mental alteration. Something actually may have just wiped out most of the men, and created this loop so that Sensei could knock up the class and feed it his children. Or perhaps teach the being responsible for everything; "love".

Might explain the whole "Lessons in Love" name. Sensei (along with everyone else) could have been chosen to teach/show some eldritch being what Love is.

I still think this game will go the Black Souls route, though, tbh, and the thing taking Sekai's form might actually be some kind of crawling chaos from lovecraftian horror. So, that's probably influencing me somewhat.

yeah there is the ... homeless theory.
the extreme level of homeless people are actually the people that were summoned off to 'space war' and are stuck in a schizophrenic daze preventing them from going back home to interfere with the world whoever is doing this wants. its also kind of weird that there are this many visually identifiable homeless people (by character conversation) when we have events directly mentioning sleeping in internet cafe's implying sel knows about the actual homless rate in japan and how it is a reportable (roundable) 0% and how the japanese for the most part would rather kill themselves than to even look homeless. (not an exaggeration)

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Replayed some Sara's events to refresh my memory about her story and her ex teacher, and found some subtle foreshadowing about her blackouts in Tell Me When.

But, I still feel kinda odd that her ex teacher didn't leave the picture right when Sana's older brother was born; no he stuck around and knocked her up the second time, then he left; having bastard kids wasn't what drove him away?
(I was thinking perhaps it was not like he ended the relationship with her, but was actually dead because he was assumed to be Nozomu, but timeframe-wise this wasn't coherent)

Maybe Sara brought up the possibility of settling down with him only when she got knocked up the second time; and this would mean before that this asshole was completely fine with keep having sex with Sara despite already giving her one child .

Then again if blackouts continuously happened during Sara's high school year then probably the whole story needs to be taken with a grain of salt (almost everything with this game is I suppose)

 

[derekthered56]

Might explain the whole "Lessons in Love" name. Sensei (along with everyone else) could have been chosen to teach/show some eldritch being what Love is.

Isn't he like, the absolute worst person to pick for that?

 

[barglenarglezous]

Might explain the whole "Lessons in Love" name. Sensei (along with everyone else) could have been chosen to teach/show some eldritch being what Love is.

I suspect that it's more lucky the student of the lessons implied in the title is Akira himself, and that the girls teach him, because that's been a running internal dialogue since the beginning. Initially, he wanted to defile them, destroy them, corrupt them, but over time, he's started acknowledging his feelings, and is starting to outright accept them. He's the one learning to love.

 

[barglenarglezous]

not really definitive like what i'm told was in the care package.
this is a difference in suggestive possibility that gave the idea in the first place vs outright confirmation

If them literally using the coaxing words therapists use in group therapy to get people who don't want to talk at all to open up isn't explicit enough for you, you're going to be really angry when the game is done and many things are still left unanswered because it was left for you to figure out from the subtext.

Because there's likely to be a LOT of it.

 

[DeSkel15]

Isn't he like, the absolute worst person to pick for that?

He's definitely up there on the worst possible chosen ones ever.

Nevertheless, some being that doesn't understand things like "love" wouldn't really know he'd be a bad choice. Just that there seems to be a lot of little girls that want to be with him, and even as a kid, he was "loved" by his sister in law, who he never stopped loving, then later on he was loved by a certain pink haired girl who nearly killed herself after he dumped her. After that he was loved by his Niece, Ayane, Maya, Etc.

I suspect that it's more lucky the student of the lessons implied in the title is Akira himself, and that the girls teach him, because that's been a running internal dialogue since the beginning. Initially, he wanted to defile them, destroy them, corrupt them, but over time, he's started acknowledging his feelings, and is starting to outright accept them. He's the one learning to love.

I can definitely see that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the being isn't learning the same lessons through him. Watching him develop over and over. Take Maya for example, she might just be the one he usually fell for, so now, she's been taken off the board to give the other girls a chance at "love", and give the being more experience.

It also fits the whole "using" Sensei thing that's apparently going on with the gods/beings/users.

 

[KnowNoHope]

If them literally using the coaxing words therapists use in group therapy to get people who don't want to talk at all to open up isn't explicit enough for you, you're going to be really angry when the game is done and many things are still left unanswered because it was left for you to figure out from the subtext.

Because there's likely to be a LOT of it.

like...dude. i was one of the people that claimed it from that one scene from the start
I'm saying in the damn CP its not subtext. that's all I'm saying and with a mystery based game subtext is good for theory and if the game ended on an open note people can and do choose to interpret stories how they want but its not the same thing as outright confirmation
i'm fine with both, i'm just distinguishing between the two

 

[DeSkel15]

Replayed some Sara's events to refresh my memory about her story and her ex teacher, and found some subtle foreshadowing about her blackouts in Tell Me When.

But, I still feel kinda odd that her ex teacher didn't leave the picture right when Sana's older brother was born; no he stuck around and knocked her up the second time, then he left; having bastard kids wasn't what drove him away?
(I was thinking perhaps it was not like he ended the relationship with her, but was actually dead because he was assumed to be Nozomu, but timeframe-wise this wasn't coherent)

Maybe Sara brought up the possibility of settling down with him only when she got knocked up the second time; and this would mean before that this asshole was completely fine with keep having sex with Sara despite already giving her one child .

Then again if blackouts continuously happened during Sara's high school year then probably the whole story needs to be taken with a grain of salt (almost everything with this game is I suppose)

It seemed more like she found out he was either actually cheating on her or likely doing so, and he decided that he didn't want to hear it, then went out for milk and never came back.

Not to mention, apparently Sara lost her virginity at 13, so I don't think the teacher actually wanted to ever be with her beyond the sex at any point. In other words; it sounds like she got used until he decided she wasn't worth the trouble.

Also yeah, it could simply be a mental alteration to explain why Sana's father isn't around, when what ever actually took the men, took him as well. Hard to tell since blacking out and altered memories are common place.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Might explain the whole "Lessons in Love" name. Sensei (along with everyone else) could have been chosen to teach/show some eldritch being what Love is.

It would be Lessons in Making Love if Sensei is chosen to teach anything

But I think observing Sensei learning love might really be the key concept here; a person who claims to have trouble comprehending what love means is now experiencing all kinds of love from all his relationship with everyone and learning them: pure, unconditional, unrequited, codependent, obsessive, manipulative, adulterous, forbidden, and incestuous.

It's just who actually is observing is still up in the air (maybe it's all those supernatural BS beings perhaps?)

 

[derekthered56]

He's definitely up there on the worst possible chosen ones ever.

Nevertheless, some being that doesn't understand things like "love" wouldn't really know he'd be a bad choice. Just that there seems to be a lot of little girls that want to be with him, and even as a kid, he was "loved" by his sister in law, who he never stopped loving, then later on he was loved by a certain pink haired girl who nearly killed herself after he dumped her. After that he was loved by his Niece, Ayane, Maya, Etc.



I can definitely see that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the being isn't learning the same lessons through him. Watching him develop over and over. Take Maya for example, she might just be the one he usually fell for, so now, she's been taken off the board to give the other girls a chance at "love", and give the being more experience.

It also fits the whole "using" Sensei thing that's apparently going on with the gods/beings/users.

HOPE at least seems to have a clear idea of what "love" means. The other two aren't as clear, but they seem to be competing over Akira rather than trying to learn from him. Maybe they're all using him as proof of their view to some fourth entity(fifth really, I don't think the entity could be Nao). Long Maya keeps doing television show bits with Akira, maybe she really is showing that to somebody?

Also, we the players are that entity, and the true meaning of love is not pirating video games.

 

[DeSkel15]

yeah there is the ... homeless theory.
the extreme level of homeless people are actually the people that were summoned off to 'space war' and are stuck in a schizophrenic daze preventing them from going back home to interfere with the world whoever is doing this wants. its also kind of weird that there are this many visually identifiable homeless people (by character conversation) when we have events directly mentioning sleeping in internet cafe's implying sel knows about the actual homless rate in japan and how it is a reportable (roundable) 0% and how the japanese for the most part would rather kill themselves than to even look homeless. (not an exaggeration)

Kind of dark, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if the homeless people turn out to be the kids that Sensei has had with his students. Just never being reset by the time loops, and continuously aging in a city that has no care nor space for them. I think old women were mentioned at some point so them being the men would be a little surprising.

 

[DeSkel15]

It would be Lessons in Making Love if Sensei is chosen to teach anything

But I think observing Sensei learning love might really be the key concept here; a person who claims to have trouble comprehending what love means is now experiencing all kinds of love from all his relationship with everyone and learning them: pure, unconditional, unrequited, codependent, obsessive, manipulative, adulterous, forbidden, and incestuous.

It's just who actually is observing is still up in the air (maybe it's all those supernatural BS beings perhaps?)

Personally, I think whatever is taking Sekai's form may be the main being wanting to know "love". Taking Sekai's form due to being Sensei's first love interest if not "true love". Nozomu, HOPE, and the angels may just be it's servants or creations.

Nao, seems like a similar being but instead of learning love, it's more into feeling love. Hence the whole you have copulated with me more than anyone, and knowing everything Sensei ever felt, lines. The god of wires and maybe Pareidolia seem to be related to it.

Of course, Nao and whatever is taking Sekai's form could be two sides of the same being, or Nao is like it's child, which would fit the whole taking Sekai and Ami forms theme.

Overall, there's definitely a lot of unanswered questions. Albeit, I think this next reset might answer quite a few. Especially since things look like they are about to get rough.

 

[DeSkel15]

HOPE at least seems to have a clear idea of what "love" means. The other two aren't as clear, but they seem to be competing over Akira rather than trying to learn from him. Maybe they're all using him as proof of their view to some fourth entity(fifth really, I don't think the entity could be Nao). Long Maya keeps doing television show bits with Akira, maybe she really is showing that to somebody?

Also, we the players are that entity, and the true meaning of love is not pirating video games.

I definitely think that the beings are using Sensei to achieve whatever goal they are after. Kumon-mi itself seems like simply put a "controlled environment" where those outside of it can test and experiment to witness whatever happens.

The Mayas also seem to apparently be like independent contractors that tend to work for "H", or likely HOPE. Same with the shapeshifter with the toy car. They are perhaps other beings like Nao and "Sekai" who take Maya's form simply for fun, or lack of understanding of human nature.

Sara becoming an angelic being in Sana's event also implies she might be one as well. I also wouldn't be surprised if other girls turn out to be beings that slipped into the loop, replaced the actual versions, then forgot about it whether due to the loops or other beings not liking them getting involved. Then again they all could just be playing the game they got paid to play.

It'd definitely fit the whole "Nothing is real" theme.

 

[Bingoogus]

You guys are bringing things a little too close to the 'what is true?' dimension and my barely sane ass tries to avoid this territory as much as possible. Gotta put my mental health first so i might have to take a break for a few days if things keep going this way. Not telling any of you to stop, just pre-emptively explaining any potential absence.

 

[KnowNoHope]

You guys are bringing things a little too close to the 'what is true?' dimension and my barely sane ass tries to avoid this territory as much as possible. Gotta put my mental health first so i might have to take a break for a few days if things keep going this way. Not telling any of you to stop, just pre-emptively explaining any potential absence.

back to more easily understandable theories then
sex make peepee feel good
such a large branching statement and generalization seeems problematic, not all sex make peepee feel good, should we revise this theory to
sex mainly make peepee feel good

 

[DeSkel15]

You guys are bringing things a little too close to the 'what is true?' dimension and my barely sane ass tries to avoid this territory as much as possible. Gotta put my mental health first so i might have to take a break for a few days if things keep going this way. Not telling any of you to stop, just pre-emptively explaining any potential absence.

Well, damn, that wasn't my intention, if you prefer we could theorize on how many times Sensei has fucked a watermelon, or why Maya has a fetish for them.

That's a rather big mystery itself. Like.. why a watermelon? There has to be some meaning to it. Maybe Maya saw Sensei eat one of the watermelon slices she brought to a tutor session, which did it for her, and that's what started their entire relationship and her fetish.

 

[DeSkel15]

back to more easily understandable theories then
sex make peepee feel good
such a large branching statement and generalization seeems problematic, not all sex make peepee feel good, should we revise this theory to
sex mainly make peepee feel good

If two lesbians have sex in the woods and there's no one with a cock around to witness it, did this sex make cock feel good?