Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[alex2011]

As a fellow Demi, I getcha. Personally, I think Sel is best at uncomfortable sexual scenes, overall. The awkwardness and immorality of this stuff seems to be prioritized over simply "boobies". Like, I feel Sel put more effort into stuff like Kirin's devirginization:

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Than most sex scenes. Later on tacking on she remembered the room number and cried the whole night etc. I also don't think Sel is a butt guy, which is unfortunate. (Hence Maya being a 10/10 somehow. There, I said (typed) what we've all been thinking.)

As for the god shenanigans, I'm not sure if it's actually god shenanigans, but something supernatural surely has to be going on. I can see Pareidolia aka Concerned trying to make Sensei care more (be more concerned) for the girls. However, I can also see the Italic Narrator who put the whole sex is bonus level, trust is important, stuff in Sensei's head:

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being the actual culprit of why sex is becoming more and more sidelined.

This Italic Narrator also seemed to give herself away last update:

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"And sure as the sunshine" Miss Shapeshifter might literally be cockblocking the player.

Suspiciously she even showed up:

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Right before the players missed Futaba's love hotel visit on her date:

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I wouldn't even be all that surprised if she is the one behind the recent drama with Ami, Ayane, Maya, and Noriko, on top of Sensei's sudden feelings:

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The Italic Narrator seems to be interfering far more than she is supposed to, lately:

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And I doubt this is going to end well.

Oh yeah, definitely. It's there to make us as the reader uncomfortable and it does a disturbingly good job at that.

I haven't been able to get a read on what he likes personally and it doesn't help that he doesn't show an unwillingness to produce any sort of content if it fits his idea and it gets even more open with subscriber requests since it doesn't have to fit into what is going in the story on at the time of the request or any of the past events. I was not thinking that, I would never go against my favorite as a Rin fan .

An interesting theory, I wouldn't have expected her to be the one doing all this, blocking us, and by extension Sensei, from the sexual stuff. Given how those lines match, this is all but confirmed, but putting all our eggs in one basket is not a good idea. Just because it looks to be a specific in universe entity doesn't mean it is said entity, could also be a face we've never seen or a different one we have with the line thrown in to throw us off the trail as well. The lack of confirmed identity above the dialogue has me extremely wary of the potential for this to be something unexpected. One thing is certain, there's no doubt you're right about this not ending well with how things usually go. If things actually end on a happier note this time, I would be seriously shocked.

Normal code, like how Lil's DRM works doesn't trigger any antivirus.
It would be different if the code tried something like to hook onto running processes or alter memory and the likes.

(Talking about Windows OS) It's completely under normal restrictions. Lil creates folders/files at two locations: YourSysdrive\users\yourname\appdata\roaming\renpy\test2blah and YourGamedrive\Lil\game\saves\ .
Lil is allowed to make alterations in those folders. And while i think it's ok for it to do that in the game folder, that it's also allowed to do anything on the OS drive is way beyond me. But thats a Microsoft problem.

Like trainer programs, the ones that inject code into a running game to increase or freeze data at specific points to give players an advantage they wouldn't have in normal gameplay typically do, yes.

This is true, I hadn't taken that into account when I commented earlier. This would be how it maintains the doubled saves, one in the game's folder, one in appdata, by writing in both locations. I could see how it can manage to do the alterations in appdata for the save delete. The specific folder for LiL, or any Renpy game, in appdata isn't a system folder even if it is in a place created by Windows itself. It isn't as protected as a system folder, allowing Renpy to alter the data there. Had it been somewhere in the actual system files like a save to the registry as some Unity games do, Windows would be setting off some pretty major alarms at players who hit the DRM and blocking the alterations entirely if not deleting game files with the code that performs those tasks.

A lot of this (imo) has to do with just how everyone - or at least most of the characters - in LiL are and, for lack of a better way to describe them: pretty fucked up in many ways. I think the way the sex stuff is handled in LiL is the best one I have seen in any of these kind of VN, simply by how many of these scenarios are in their own fucked up way.

I don't think it is necessarily because the sex is not a focus in the game, but rather that the way it's done is in line with what I would expect from a game with so many dark themes as the ones this game explores. I'm sure someone out there might know about another VN and say "actually this one that touches the same themes and gets this and this better": it's not that, I'm sure there might be other examples with better and hotter sex scenes, what I'm saying is, the way is done here feels right.

Same honestly, others take a little too much of a willing approach to sex scenes, sometimes throwing them in whether they make sense or not.

 

[crustlord12]

This Italic Narrator also seemed to give herself away

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The Shapeshifter ... is Italian ...

 

[saerav]

Is there an easier walkthrough to follow? I can't get events to fire and it seems very difficult to try and find out why.

Install the guide mod on the first page

 

[BlackDays]

Like trainer programs, the ones that inject code into a running game to increase or freeze data at specific points to give players an advantage they wouldn't have in normal gameplay typically do, yes.

This is true, I hadn't taken that into account when I commented earlier. This would be how it maintains the doubled saves, one in the game's folder, one in appdata, by writing in both locations. I could see how it can manage to do the alterations in appdata for the save delete. The specific folder for LiL, or any Renpy game, in appdata isn't a system folder even if it is in a place created by Windows itself. It isn't as protected as a system folder, allowing Renpy to alter the data there. Had it been somewhere in the actual system files like a save to the registry as some Unity games do, Windows would be setting off some pretty major alarms at players who hit the DRM and blocking the alterations entirely if not deleting game files with the code that performs those tasks.

Trainers don't inject anything (most trainers).
What they do is, altering memory (talking out of my ass) off an offset by a programs process.
Meaning:
Your game starts in memory at a given point.
Trainer knows that, for example, your health is xx xx bytes away from start.
Trainer alters value at xx xx bytes away from start to "your value" or "ff/ff ff" (max) or however long that value is.
Most trainers also check if value changes from what you want it to be and reset it to "ff" or whatever (God mode).
This normally doesn't (besides what i said earlier) raise an alarm. Because (talking out of my ass again) it's not within important memory range. Meaning OS related memory.
Some devs even go so far as to alter where such values are stored.
Meaning they shift values in memory from one adress to another making it harder for trainers (or cheat engines) to determin where values are stored.

 

[DSasha]

You know, I'm starting to think 'Lessons in Love' girls might have some future competition incoming based off 'Dissonance':

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It's not what it looks like LiL, we're just friends.

Meanwhile, seduction tactics by the girls in LiL be like:

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Does anyone know why my game looks so different from most of ss posted here in f95?

The script is surrounded by a white box, and i don't have the direct acces to the wiki or unlockables

 

[alex2011]

Trainers don't inject anything (most trainers).
What they do is, altering memory (talking out of my ass) off an offset by a programs process.
Meaning:
Your game starts in memory at a given point.
Trainer knows that, for example, your health is xx xx bytes away from start.
Trainer alters value at xx xx bytes away from start to "your value" or "ff/ff ff" (max) or however long that value is.
Most trainers also check if value changes from what you want it to be and reset it to "ff" or whatever (God mode).
This normally doesn't (besides what i said earlier) raise an alarm. Because (talking out of my ass again) it's not within important memory range. Meaning OS related memory.
Some devs even go so far as to alter where such values are stored.
Meaning they shift values in memory from one adress to another making it harder for trainers (or cheat engines) to determin where values are stored.

Most don't, but there are ones that do, which are the ones I was using in my previous comment. I have one for Satisfactory for example that gets flagged aggressively by my antivirus every time the definitions update or I open the folder because I'm too lazy to go in and set an exemption for every little thing that gets flagged. I end up having to pull it out of quarantine every so often. In fact, all the ones I have worked with do, so I was unaware of other methods for them to do their thing.

I've definitely run into games that shift values in memory, major pains to get a value with Cheat Engine.

 

[BlackDays]

Most don't, but there are ones that do, which are the ones I was using in my previous comment. I have one for Satisfactory for example that gets flagged aggressively by my antivirus every time the definitions update or I open the folder because I'm too lazy to go in and set an exemption for every little thing that gets flagged. I end up having to pull it out of quarantine every so often. In fact, all the ones I have worked with do, so I was unaware of other methods for them to do their thing.

I've definitely run into games that shift values in memory, major pains to get a value with Cheat Engine.

Had a couple of games that did that too. Most of the times it's enough if you tackle the adress in one session and change the value before the adress changes again.
Btw you can exclude whole folders from at least most AVs (and hopefully MS-Defender; didn't try that one).

 

[DeSkel15]

Does anyone know why my game looks so different from most of ss posted here in f95?

The script is surrounded by a white box, and i don't have the direct acces to the wiki or unlockables

I use a ren'py transparency mod, and the outdated dark mod:

This game is too WHITE for my liking so i made a dark mod for myself which is more pleasing to my eyes. It turned out decent so thought of sharing it here.

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View attachment 1931175

If you're using guide mod drop this file to
game\progress mod\

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rename the downloaded file to progress_screen.rpy

I think it's out of date, but you should just need to download the mod (the .rar), extract it, then copy the "game" file over Lessons in Love's "game" file.

I also recommend this transparency mod: https://f95zone.to/threads/renpy-transparent-text-box-mod-v2-6-3.11925/
If you want to get rid of the textbox itself. Makes things look like this:

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Then there's also this: https://f95zone.to/threads/universal-renpy-mod-1-15-2-mod-any-renpy-game-yourself.48025/
If you want to minimize the grind.

On top of URM, so that's likely why my images look different.

 

[spam24601]

I could definitely see Sel being on the Ace spectrum, but to be fair, it's not like the majority of girls in LiL are intended to be hot.

Chika? Sure:

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However, the majority are girls that, well, let's just say know Sensei has a preference:

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And tend to be traumatized or fucked up on top of that.

That just seems to depend on what you personally find 'hot'. Like, I agree that Chika is hot, as I'm sure most people who like women would. But the Molly scene you took that screenshot from is really hot as well, and I'd give Molly a very high ranking on the "most physically appealing characters" tier list. Meanwhile, the Dissonance scene you posted did nothing for me (without context at least). It's all in the eye of the beholder and what you like.

There's really nothing to say about how to improve them if, at the end of the day, the dev just hates doing it, isn't willing to farm out any work (even animations), and despises my random forum-poster ass anyway.

The most impactful sex scenes by far are the Molly Halloween scene, Sekai's, and the Makaba (Futoto?) threesome. Why? Because they're fucked up and plot-relevant. That's what this game does, and it seems headed more in this direction and away from failed attempts at eroticism anyway, which will suit it just fine.

I agree that the latter paragraph describes the best sort of eroticism in this game, where it is strongly supported by the character writing and what is happening within the scene in context. The scene where Kirin taunts Sensei about what he did to Molly was very erotic to me despite it being all dialogue. The Nodoka/Haruka scene was far too short, but what it represented for the characters still made the build up to it feel erotic even if the scene itself could have been far more. I don't think adding sex animations or some such to those scenes would have improved them much for me though. For me, the visuals merely set the stage and the writing then has to take over for the scene to be truly good - which basically never happens in this game.

When there isn't some kind of story/character significance to carry the sex scenes, they generally fall flat IMO. They will often just have Sensei describe what happens in a pretty obvious sort of way, to which the girl then responds with pointless dialogue. *Miku takes my cock into her mouth* "Gee, your cock sure is big, Sensei." Yeah, I can see what you're doing in the image. Give me more details. What do you find attractive about her? What arouses you? How does it make you feel to do this? How badly do you want her? How does she taste or smell? What is her response?

For someone who is so obsessed with sex, Sensei really doesn't seem to get all that into it. He usually treats these girls as onaholes (and not in some kinky fetish sense) and seems exclusively concerned with simply reaching orgasm. Like, he barely seems to notice or care who he is fucking a lot of the time. Despite having a very specific preference for a particular sort of girl, he doesn't even show that much of a response to being able to successfully pick this forbidden fruit compared to when he is with his adult partners, even though the price for fucking these girls is that it could destroy his life at any moment. I guess that fits his extremely detached personality, but it makes for very lukewarm scenes. I would expect that someone like him would feel an all-consuming lust towards these girls, if the urge to fuck all his teenage students is so strong that he goes through with it for real, instead of merely fantasizing about it and having sex with adult women. Instead, he gets distracted by his own internal monologues while fucking them.

Personally, I think Sel is best at uncomfortable sexual scenes, overall. The awkwardness and immorality of this stuff seems to be prioritized over simply "boobies".

I agree, but even then he tends to imply it rather than write it. Like the Nodoka sex scene, where he narrates that Nodoka keeps bringing up her age because it makes Sensei fuck her harder - instead of, you know, actually having Nodoka say that in dialogue and then having Sensei show some kind of emotional response to that which would prompt that behavior. Show emotions and desire instead of telling me about them,

I also don't think Sel is a butt guy, which is unfortunate. (Hence Maya being a 10/10 somehow. There, I said (typed) what we've all been thinking.)

Did Sel say she's 10/10? I wouldn't go that far, but I do like her quite a bit. But then, I can't say I've ever considered how big her butt is in comparison to anyone else, so I guess I'm not much of a butt guy either.

 

[Bingoogus]

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That post was worthy of your own cap Crusty.

Welcome to the table, brother.

 

[DeSkel15]

That just seems to depend on what you personally find 'hot'. Like, I agree that Chika is hot, as I'm sure most people who like women would. But the Molly scene you took that screenshot from is really hot as well, and I'd give Molly a very high ranking on the "most physically appealing characters" tier list. Meanwhile, the Dissonance scene you posted did nothing for me (without context at least). It's all in the eye of the beholder and what you like.

I agree, but even then he tends to imply it rather than write it. Like the Nodoka sex scene, where he narrates that Nodoka keeps bringing up her age because it makes Sensei fuck her harder - instead of, you know, actually having Nodoka say that in dialogue and then having Sensei show some kind of emotional response to that which would prompt that behavior. Show emotions and desire instead of telling me about them,

Did Sel say she's 10/10? I wouldn't go that far, but I do like her quite a bit. But then, I can't say I've ever considered how big her butt is in comparison to anyone else, so I guess I'm not much of a butt guy either.

Hence why I slanted hot to hot. Sex appeal definitely depends on the viewer, however from a traditional view I think it's fair to say that Chika fits the majority's idea of "hot" better than Molly. Not to say that Molly can't be seductive. It's just a more specific version (again by common standards). Personally, neither really do it for me. I find homebodies more attractive ideally, and that scene with Yoshie is far better if you know the context. Just casually seducing her binge buddy. It's kind of like if a Rin/Io combo started randomly teasing Sensei sexually, subtly, while they were just chilling.

I think that's actually for the best, tbh. Knowing Nodoka's doing it, seems like it'd work better for the imagination than just reading her say "Eviscerate this 15 year old adolescent vaginal crevice you depraved neophile!" Or whatever sex talk comes to mind. Sex talk itself seems easily cringeworthy, and we already had the whole white-fronted parrot vomit thing. To sum it up: I think that was a "less is more" situation. Of course, ymmv.

On Noriko's butt rating system, Maya is apparently the best:

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For comparison, Ami is an 8/10:

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And apparently according to the/a(?) Italic Narrator, Sensei rates Nodoka's as a 9/10:

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So, I'm assuming Maya is likely a 10/10 based off the current opinions that have been given within game, and assuming Sel wrote all of this, it seems like it's intentional. (Albeit, I can definitely see Kaori beating Maya in Sel's pov considering the context)

Also there is more to Butts than Size. So uncultered (kidding).. Honestly I have no idea how to judge it. I think it's kind of how Molly described "Moe". It's something "you can feel inside of your bones". I was also mostly kidding about the Maya thing, but(t) I would be interested in the in game explanation though.

 

[GenshinFanatic]

If i want to play lil on joiplay using my android do i have to download the PC version of lil or how does this work?

 

[BlackDays]

Than most sex scenes. Later on tacking on she remembered the room number and cried the whole night etc. I also don't think Sel is a butt guy, which is unfortunate. (Hence Maya being a 10/10 somehow. There, I said (typed) what we've all been thinking.)

What ya mean? Is Maya butt recognizable or not? Because i think i did recognized her by butt. *Self shoulder pat

 

[Kitty Hawk]

Cool. With the end of summer, people's avatars also change. Its going to take a while to adjust to the new ones. I urge everyone with the letters for avatars to stop being so boring and put cute girls there.

 

[DeSkel15]

What ya mean? Is Maya butt recognizable or not? Because i think i did recognized her by butt. *Self shoulder pat

I think Maya's butt is definitely supposed to be recognizable. I'm apparently a little butt blind though, lmao.

 

[DeSkel15]

If i want to play lil on joiplay using my android do i have to download the PC version of lil or how does this work?

Yeah, you run the PC version through Joiplay. You may want to take a previous post of mine into account though:

There's the previous version:

You can then add the current .33
update, such as this:

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to the compressed .32 version.

If you're planning on using Joiplay, then you might have to make a folder within the Events folder also called Events and place the new Events images there, then switch the folders to give the game the ability to load them as they occur. It's manageable, but annoying. So, I guess take that into account depending on what you're using.

 

[Bingoogus]

Also there is more to Butts than Size. So uncultered

So fucking true, god damn, as an ass man this is one of those things where i have to say "don't get me started" cause i can easily give a 20 minute power point presentation on all the things that go into a great ass and all the factors one must consider when rating asses, also the fact that a truly perfect ass is impossible because there are trade-offs, a huge ass is great in one way but a small ass affords better access for eating asshole. You can try and strike a balance but that's not the same as perfection is it? In that scenario there are other asses that excel in other directions, a girl with a cute little butt that you can eat for an hour can't suffocate you, nor can you sink your hands into the delicious cheeks of supple goodness... but eating a huge butt is frustrating, you can never quite get into it the way you want, the angles never quite line up.

If you didn't notice though, that's me only talking about size, i've got so much more on shape, texture, color, pliability, hairiness, muscle-vs-fat, and compatibility with other parts of the body, hips/thighs/back/etc.

Basically, don't get me started.

 

[BlackDays]

So fucking true, god damn, as an ass man this is one of those things where i have to say "don't get me started" cause i can easily give a 20 minute power point presentation on all the things that go into a great ass and all the factors one must consider when rating asses, also the fact that a truly perfect ass is impossible because there are trade-offs, a huge ass is great in one way but a small ass affords better access for eating asshole. You can try and strike a balance but that's not the same as perfection is it? In that scenario there are other asses that excel in other directions, a girl with a cute little butt that you can eat for an hour can't suffocate you, nor can you sink your hands into the delicious cheeks of supple goodness... but eating a huge butt is frustrating, you can never quite get into it the way you want, the angles never quite line up.

If you didn't notice though, that's me only talking about size, i've got so much more on shape, texture, color, pliability, hairiness, muscle-vs-fat, and compatibility with other parts of the body, hips/thighs/back/etc.

Basically, don't get me started.

So you're the Mr. Reddington of asses? ^^
Personally i care ass about ass tbh.

Maya just happens to have what we call in german "ein gebärfreudiges becken". In short: "It's more about her waist", which kind of influences butt size.

 

[BlackDays]

I think Maya's butt is definitely supposed to be recognizable. I'm apparently a little butt blind though, lmao.

Totally didn't recognize you, bc new pf pic.

 

[crustlord12]

Cool. With the end of summer, people's avatars also change. Its going to take a while to adjust to the new ones. I urge everyone with the letters for avatars to stop being so boring and put cute girls there.

Never!

So fucking true, god damn, as an ass man this is one of those things where i have to say "don't get me started" cause i can easily give a 20 minute power point presentation on all the things that go into a great ass and all the factors one must consider when rating asses, also the fact that a truly perfect ass is impossible because there are trade-offs, a huge ass is great in one way but a small ass affords better access for eating asshole. You can try and strike a balance but that's not the same as perfection is it? In that scenario there are other asses that excel in other directions, a girl with a cute little butt that you can eat for an hour can't suffocate you, nor can you sink your hands into the delicious cheeks of supple goodness... but eating a huge butt is frustrating, you can never quite get into it the way you want, the angles never quite line up.

If you didn't notice though, that's me only talking about size, i've got so much more on shape, texture, color, pliability, hairiness, muscle-vs-fat, and compatibility with other parts of the body, hips/thighs/back/etc.

Basically, don't get me started.

I wonder what getting you started would look like, if this ISN'T that