Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

This is true, Ayane was one that had been into him since the beginning of gameplay (she was practically willing to give him a little something in the bathroom if you get what I'm saying. this is referencing the original opening scenes), so hers made sense to come up as early as it did. I could also see Sara, she was in a situation that seemed to push her in that direction. Tsubasa doesn't seem as open a character, doesn't seem to have something pushing her in that direction in terms of situations or outside forces, and she didn't essentially default to having feelings for him, not even outside of love, so I think she would take a bit longer. Remember Niki, who Sensei actually dated. She does have a scene, but it took time with her.

I'm not so sure wizard content won't be soon, but I am sure they aren't going to get dropped into the middle of a threesome for their first scene, it's never been something like that for the first. Story wise, assuming she even finds out and against all possible odds approves, I don't think Chika would allow it. Tsubasa might be open enough to allow such a thing with Tsukasa, though. I think Chika would want Chinami to have her first solo with a loved one like she did if she approved at all.

As it is now, with the missed events, I do believe all other choices to be there to throw the player off in cases where they haven't been paying attention and have a preference toward one of them. However, they could be setup for the future as I said before, both setting up for missed events for 'taking things too fast with the girls' and setting up for the potential groupings we may see later.

Tsubasa does have something pushing her towards being with Sensei though. Fun, experience, and depravity, plus the whole seeing him as an equal, trying to help her daughter sleep with him, and implying she'd make "arrangements" if he told her that Chika and Touka couldn't satisfy him, seems to imply she's ready whenever. Niki is more of a special case, since Sensei put off fucking her, potentially since they were teens (possibly because of Sekai). It's similar to how he refused to fuck Imani, Molly, Noriko, and optionally Ami, Haruka, Maki, and Sara. They aren't really the problem. He is. They'd be fucked if he pushed for it. The characters are ready, the protagonist just isn't apparently. I don't think Sensei has a reason to put off Tsubasa considering he can suggest her for a threesome.

Yumi, Rin, and Chinami on the other hand? Yeah, I don't see them being ready for sex themselves. I can see Yumi and Rin being convinced to be there by Chika though. Same with Tsubasa. I wouldn't be surprised if Tsubasa accepts it just to feel young and be "one of the girls", albeit she does seem worried about her husband finding out so I guess we'll see what happens. Onsen trip 2.0?

Maki's first sex scene was a threesome technically. Nodoka showed up to watch Futaba and Kirin, and could blow Sensei in front of Yumi, on top of having Yumi masturbate in front of them. Technically those aren't really threesomes, but it does show a character can show up in a sexual scene before they get their specific own. Noriko technically could watch Ami blow Sensei before she gets her own lust event. Tsubasa also was apart of Chika's 'Mating Season' scene technically. I wouldn't write off a "Threesome" just being something like Yumi or Rin watching Chika and Sensei. (Not really into the Wizard content so, imma abstain from this point)

Possibly. As far as I can tell, the most damning choices seem to be not fucking Ami or Sara. Quite a bit of the lore and presumably important stuff is missed.

 

[FireCazador]

Everytime Otoha comes up, this comes to mind:

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I have wasted 30m trying to find the Kirin or Karin (i dont even remember who was there) saying "Same" (i think someone used it to reply some comment). Unfortunately i miserably failed.

So since i dont know if you guys screenshot every scene in game or when remember about that one exactly find the event i want to ask you all to hit me with some phrases that can be uses as a reply/meme.

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It can be some of the one we are familiar or some one you find it funny and wanted to share.

 

[DeSkel15]

I have wasted 30m trying to find the Kirin or Karin (i dont even remember who was there) saying "Same" (i think someone used it to reply some comment). Unfortunately i miserably failed.

So since i dont know if you guys screenshot every scene in game or when remember about that one exactly find the event i want to ask you all to hit me with some phrases that can be uses as a reply/meme.

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It can be some of the one we are familiar or some one you find it funny and wanted to share.

Kirin's catchphrase:

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from the "FMK" Noriko Event if I recall correctly.

I think Kirin likes saying "Same" tbh:

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From Yasu's first event.

Not a big fan of Kirin, but she's quotable:

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Edit: Some random extras from whoever:

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Etc.... yep:

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[DeSkel15]

This one's for you Bingoogus:

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[Bingoogus]

This one's for you Bingoogus:

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[alex2011]

Tsubasa does have something pushing her towards being with Sensei though. Fun, experience, and depravity, plus the whole seeing him as an equal, trying to help her daughter sleep with him, and implying she'd make "arrangements" if he told her that Chika and Touka couldn't satisfy him, seems to imply she's ready whenever. Niki is more of a special case, since Sensei put off fucking her, potentially since they were teens (possibly because of Sekai). It's similar to how he refused to fuck Imani, Molly, Noriko, and optionally Ami, Haruka, Maki, and Sara. They aren't really the problem. He is. They'd be fucked if he pushed for it. The characters are ready, the protagonist just isn't apparently. I don't think Sensei has a reason to put off Tsubasa considering he can suggest her for a threesome.

Yumi, Rin, and Chinami on the other hand? Yeah, I don't see them being ready for sex themselves. I can see Yumi and Rin being convinced to be there by Chika though. Same with Tsubasa. I wouldn't be surprised if Tsubasa accepts it just to feel young and be "one of the girls", albeit she does seem worried about her husband finding out so I guess we'll see what happens. Onsen trip 2.0?

Maki's first sex scene was a threesome technically. Nodoka showed up to watch Futaba and Kirin, and could blow Sensei in front of Yumi, on top of having Yumi masturbate in front of them. Technically those aren't really threesomes, but it does show a character can show up in a sexual scene before they get their specific own. Noriko technically could watch Ami blow Sensei before she gets her own lust event. Tsubasa also was apart of Chika's 'Mating Season' scene technically. I wouldn't write off a "Threesome" just being something like Yumi or Rin watching Chika and Sensei. (Not really into the Wizard content so, imma abstain from this point)

Possibly. As far as I can tell, the most damning choices seem to be not fucking Ami or Sara. Quite a bit of the lore and presumably important stuff is missed.

When I said something pushing, that was in the context of an external force like the gods bending her will to fit. Throughout the story so far, there are signs that something outside the girls themselves and Sensei is acting to push the girls toward him, making them start to feel something for him, whether that's actual affection or lust, to drive them toward allowing him to get in their pants. I'm not getting that with Tsubasa...yet. I am seeing the angle you're talking about, though, and that's where I'm seeing the beginnings of something that could evolve into what pushes her into sex with Sensei. I just think its too early to say she's ready yet. I would say within two to three periods of development, or releases with either her directly or with her daughters to put it another way, we should start seeing the signs of approaching sexual content and then maybe one more after that to actually get it. Keep in mind this is all theory, a prediction as accurate as a hurricane track for a hurricane that just formed off of Africa at best.

The way I see her forwardness, that might be a front to hide her true feelings. I get that the rich life might not satisfy her and may make her bored, but look at Touka, this family clearly has little interaction with men outside the one man they have in common, the father of Touka and Tsukasa. She may be putting up a front to hide nerves and uncertainty around the possibility. We've seen such tactics before, hiding their true feelings, I mean. That worry about her husband, that's another reason I don't believe she's ready. I think we'll end up seeing something change there and that would be a sign she's getting ready for sexual content.

You've got another point with Sensei himself, he's been changing. We'd already have a threesome if this was still day one Sensei, that one wouldn't hesitate at the offer, but I can't seem to get a read on his willingness as he is now. He's just so...uncertain of his own actions. That provides an obstacle for all of the options in that specific set, not just Tsubasa or the other seemingly wrong choices, but even the Ayane choice. We'll have to see how this plays out.

I honestly don't see Yumi being convinced, especially under the current circumstances. Not only is she still a bit on the hostile side over what Sensei did and allegedly did, but she also knows he's going out with her best friend and she does not want to hurt Chika like that. A betrayal that big would be an extreme blow to Chika and she knows it. That's where the 'possibly setup for the future' theory comes in with the flags. We don't know what the circumstances will be in the future of the story, maybe something will clear the way for Yumi by the time she is actually willing to commit to giving herself to Sensei. I just hope whatever it is isn't Chika's death.

Technically, yes, and one of the rare cases where it did happen. I'm not saying the first scene for a character can't be a threesome, I'm saying it's so rare that it doesn't fit the pattern. It could happen, but the first scene has always been more likely to be a one on one. As far as those Nodoka appearances, I am specifically talking their own scenes or scenes where they actually participate. Maki would be one of the few times where a threesome where she was part of it was technically her first scene.

 

[DeSkel15]

When I said something pushing, that was in the context of an external force like the gods bending her will to fit. Throughout the story so far, there are signs that something outside the girls themselves and Sensei is acting to push the girls toward him, making them start to feel something for him, whether that's actual affection or lust, to drive them toward allowing him to get in their pants. I'm not getting that with Tsubasa...yet. I am seeing the angle you're talking about, though, and that's where I'm seeing the beginnings of something that could evolve into what pushes her into sex with Sensei. I just think its too early to say she's ready yet. I would say within two to three periods of development, or releases with either her directly or with her daughters to put it another way, we should start seeing the signs of approaching sexual content and then maybe one more after that to actually get it. Keep in mind this is all theory, a prediction as accurate as a hurricane track for a hurricane that just formed off of Africa at best.

The way I see her forwardness, that might be a front to hide her true feelings. I get that the rich life might not satisfy her and may make her bored, but look at Touka, this family clearly has little interaction with men outside the one man they have in common, the father of Touka and Tsukasa. She may be putting up a front to hide nerves and uncertainty around the possibility. We've seen such tactics before, hiding their true feelings, I mean. That worry about her husband, that's another reason I don't believe she's ready. I think we'll end up seeing something change there and that would be a sign she's getting ready for sexual content.

You've got another point with Sensei himself, he's been changing. We'd already have a threesome if this was still day one Sensei, that one wouldn't hesitate at the offer, but I can't seem to get a read on his willingness as he is now. He's just so...uncertain of his own actions. That provides an obstacle for all of the options in that specific set, not just Tsubasa or the other seemingly wrong choices, but even the Ayane choice. We'll have to see how this plays out.

I honestly don't see Yumi being convinced, especially under the current circumstances. Not only is she still a bit on the hostile side over what Sensei did and allegedly did, but she also knows he's going out with her best friend and she does not want to hurt Chika like that. A betrayal that big would be an extreme blow to Chika and she knows it. That's where the 'possibly setup for the future' theory comes in with the flags. We don't know what the circumstances will be in the future of the story, maybe something will clear the way for Yumi by the time she is actually willing to commit to giving herself to Sensei. I just hope whatever it is isn't Chika's death.

Technically, yes, and one of the rare cases where it did happen. I'm not saying the first scene for a character can't be a threesome, I'm saying it's so rare that it doesn't fit the pattern. It could happen, but the first scene has always been more likely to be a one on one. As far as those Nodoka appearances, I am specifically talking their own scenes or scenes where they actually participate. Maki would be one of the few times where a threesome where she was part of it was technically her first scene.

Yeah, I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how Tsubasa and the Threesomes are put into place. It's definitely hard to tell so far.

As for Yumi though, I think a threesome might be the excuse needed to push her story forward. Chika's been working on that for a while it seems:

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I can definitely see this happening since Yumi likes Sensei, and Chika would be and has been suggesting it (I'm also thinking Chika has a crush on Yumi). Albeit, Nodoka likely traumatized Yumi, and I don't think seeing Chika blow Sensei is going to help, after the whole being forced to watch Nodoka blow Sensei stuff. Then again, Yumi's recent reset might have changed her...

I'm not sure what to think of Yumi after her possible murder.

 

[Bingoogus]

All i know is my current main save retains its 100% green record and i'm sticking with that until circumstances not yet seen before come to pass, that being, mandatory missed events, something i strongly doubt will come to pass.

 

[alex2011]

Yeah, I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how Tsubasa and the Threesomes are put into place. It's definitely hard to tell so far.

As for Yumi though, I think a threesome might be the excuse needed to push her story forward. Chika's been working on that for a while it seems:

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I can definitely see this happening since Yumi likes Sensei, and Chika would be and has been suggesting it (I'm also thinking Chika has a crush on Yumi). Albeit, Nodoka likely traumatized Yumi, and I don't think seeing Chika blow Sensei is going to help, after the whole being forced to watch Nodoka blow Sensei stuff. Then again, Yumi's recent reset might have changed her...

I'm not sure what to think of Yumi after her possible murder.

That brings up potentially more obstacles, the potential changes to Yumi and the trauma from Nodoka. That does cast an air of uncertainty around her for players.

 

[Wardtnaci]

Sel himself said on several occasions while he was here that the game would be doable at 100% completion, which taking this into account, tells me we have to play in a very specific way to do that. Playing in a specific way that may not be how we would normally choose wouldn't be a new concept for this game. Like with the choice given to tell Karin about how Sensei is with Kirin. That bears a consequence of locking out events for Karin in game, so we have to lie to her in order to keep our 100% completion. I would normally admit to it myself, but I am a pretty opposite kind of person to the character of Sensei.

I understood it as you can 100% the game, but not on your 1st playthrough no mater what choices you make; you will trigger some events to be missed. Once you complete one girl's purity route, you'll be able to reset back to a point and start the quest to 100%. Now he's only teased this with the "Yumiknows", "Amifingered" and "Rinbetrayed" flags but the "*cthree" flags is 1st time where a point possibly has several branches and few future events may be missed and may need be missed to complete a current playthrough.

 

[Wardtnaci]

Future update Sched. 2024...

 

[Akutawaga]

what event are these? ;-; does someone have a save for them?

 

[alex2011]

I understood it as you can 100% the game, but not on your 1st playthrough no mater what choices you make; you will trigger some events to be missed. Once you complete one girl's purity route, you'll be able to reset back to a point and start the quest to 100%. Now he's only teased this with the "Yumiknows", "Amifingered" and "Rinbetrayed" flags but the "*cthree" flags is 1st time where a point possibly has several branches and few future events may be missed and may need be missed to complete a current playthrough.

I just think the cthree was there to throw us off, it would take serious attention to detail from a player to keep track of every little thing, so some players are inevitably going to miss these details that would tip them off to the correct choice. Attention to detail that goes beyond looking at every word to make sure nothing gets missed for the puzzles, but instead goes beyond what is said and looks at every single aspect. We may even be looking at the second coming of punishment for anyone not paying attention to the degree he expects. This would not be the first time he has done either of the above and it won't be the last.

The way I understood what he said, the game can be completed as is and is planned to remain that way. This doesn't really change that in the sense that it is still possible, especially if the cthree was a red herring as Bingoogus suggested. This may have altered that only slightly so that, there is a path to 100%, but we have to play a very specific way to get it. I'm going to assume in that case that he wants us to follow what he considers canon to his story, anything else would be punished with missed events. This plays perfectly into one of the themes of the game, the illusion of choice.

 

[Bingoogus]

The way I understood what he said, the game can be completed as is and is planned to remain that way. This doesn't really change that in the sense that it is still possible, especially if the cthree was a red herring as Bingoogus suggested. This may have altered that only slightly so that, there is a path to 100%, but we have to play a very specific way to get it. I'm going to assume in that case that he wants us to follow what he considers canon to his story, anything else would be punished with missed events. This plays perfectly into one of the themes of the game, the illusion of choice.

That is the meat of my argument, forget the story, just focus on Selly, his methods and behaviours, his style of doing things, there's a right way to play, if you choose otherwise you will be punished with missed events, he has been consistent with this so far, there is always a right choice, and until it's actually shown that there is a new system, one where you will miss events no matter what choice you make, i'll be sticking to the tried and true method of following the green path.

 

[alex2011]

That is the meat of my argument, forget the story, just focus on Selly, his methods and behaviours, his style of doing things, there's a right way to play, if you choose otherwise you will be punished with missed events, he has been consistent with this so far, there is always a right choice, and until it's actually shown that there is a new system, one where you will miss events no matter what choice you make, i'll be sticking to the tried and true method of following the green path.

Exactly, that's the way it has always played out since the first missable:

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Lust events tied to mains, if you miss the deadline by playing the main event without enough points for the required girls, you miss the lust event. The canon way is that these do actually happen, so the player is punished accordingly.

What he considers the right way, which I do believe is the same as what he considers the canon route, is the only way to get through the game and see everything. This is what I believe is happening with cthree as well, the Ayane option is canon, the others either happen later or never and the player is punished for choosing them due to not being his way, the canon he is writing.

 

[1804maya]

Spoiler: Meanwhile, me after this update

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Spoiler: Ayane accidently breaks fourth wall

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Spoiler: Hottest scene in update

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Spoiler: Bonus: fixes,not mentioned in changelog (boring)

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Do i remember correctly, that next patch would be released 2023-10-15?

for the mini guide you provide do you go play the update or is there a specific way to find event triggers? I'm interested in documenting triggers for events for private uses.

 

[JelF547]

for the mini guide you provide do you go play the update or is there a specific way to find event triggers? I'm interested in documenting triggers for events for private uses.

You have to look through game code. First of all, identify real name of event. File "screens.rpy" describes event tracker which is a good start point

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Than you should search through game/*.rpy files for string "jump eventname". At this point, you should get idea about specific requirements

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Sometimes, like in this case, you either guess where are you or try to read script before the jump command. However, it is usualy much simplier

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If you want it, I can make you csv with all 0.34.0 events or give you access to my google spreadsheet (it is extemly laggy and completly undocumented, but at least you can copy and past from there). If you want csv, tell me do you prefer parsed (i.e. one column per one character affection level etc) or compact (i.e. like in that screenshot) format. My data is kept in sync with wiki and 99.9% accurate (at least I valdiated it on multiple occasions and now also monitor source code changes)

 

[Anonym321]

i can`t start futaba and imani events, some help please?

 

[Alphen0221]

That is the meat of my argument, forget the story, just focus on Selly, his methods and behaviours, his style of doing things, there's a right way to play, if you choose otherwise you will be punished with missed events, he has been consistent with this so far, there is always a right choice, and until it's actually shown that there is a new system, one where you will miss events no matter what choice you make, i'll be sticking to the tried and true method of following the green path.

Idk, all I know is that a straight line is straight. You know what, forget about using my brain cause I'm just gonna get brain farts just trying to understand how Sel's mind works.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

all I know is that a straight line is straight.

Not when I draw one it's not. Even if I use a straight edge. It's like the reverse of being gifted.