Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[spam24601]

So, what did everyone think about Sekai's latest appearance?:

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Based off Uta's 'Enjo Kousai', it seems like some of what Sekai can do has been revealed:

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Overall: It seems like Sekai wants Sensei to embrace his questionable past, and can influence his dreams, narration, and seemingly visuals to accomplish this.

The insults seem to be her way of convincing Sensei to face and embrace his horribleness, similar to Nodoka who Sekai seems to think is like her:

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Edit: In retrospect, if Sekai's poetry is really so deranged that it might have influenced Nodoka to become, well, Nodoka, I'm beginning to understand why Wakana is worried.

I'd like to think that Sekai is not *forcing* these thoughts, dreams or emotions onto Sensei. I feel like it would really cheapen his struggle if this can all just be blamed on external interference. At that point Sensei becoming a better or worse person would seem to depend more on the efficacy and/or availability of an exorcism than his own choices and character development. Better that she draws to the forefront thoughts and feelings Sensei may have forgotten or repressed - which he is quite prone to do, as you point out. (Unless everything in this game is just a representation of Sensei's mind or something, making it a moot point.)

I do wonder what the motivation behind this propogation of her philosophy is. Uta reversing to her younger self and then turning into Maya as part of Sekai's attempt to influence Sensei seems to suggest that she approves very much of the past younger Maya/Sensei relationship and considers it to be some kind of high point with regards to Sensei's acceptance of her beliefs. It may be that Sensei deciding to do to Maya what she did to him would appear like validation to her, that he approved of what she did since he would do so to others as well. "You hate what you think, yet you always think of what you hate." Perhaps applicable to herself as well as Sensei? Perhaps she wasn't quite as bad as Nodoka, and this philosophy she engineered to present herself as being above morality was in some part intended to help her reason her way out of that bit of lingering guilt in the back of her mind over what she did. Making her victim, of all people, accept and internalize her justification for why she abused him would be the ultimate victory in that case. Well, all this is baseless speculation, really.

As for Nodoka, I don't think there was ever much hope for her to not be awful, since IMO she's clearly a psychopath. She was only ever going to behave if by some kind of calculus she arrived at the conclusion that comforming to all social norms would be more beneficial to her than breaking them when she can get away with it. But considering her narcissistic and sadistic streaks, I think it's unlikely she would have made that choice, even without Sekai. On the other hand, if it is the sort of material that someone like Nodoka would find agreeable to the point of integrating it into her self-image, that probably says enough about the content. Still, I really wonder what she could've written, in the form of poetry, that would be so disturbing as to alarm Wakana to such an extent.

As a side note, there's something funny about Sekai's appearance in this event for me, with her just hiding behind a tree spouting verbal abuse and horrible suggestions at Sensei. It's like the inverse of that "Playing Cyrano" trope where a friend is hiding in the bushes and giving advice on what to say to a girl.

 

[Alphen0221]

Not when I draw one it's not. Even if I use a straight edge. It's like the reverse of being gifted.

I have lot of experience in drafting and I still can't draw a straight line without using a straight edge so we good. Not even perfect circles. It's not really a requirement. But yeah, fair argument.

 

[DeSkel15]

I'd like to think that Sekai is not *forcing* these thoughts, dreams or emotions onto Sensei. I feel like it would really cheapen his struggle if this can all just be blamed on external interference. At that point Sensei becoming a better or worse person would seem to depend more on the efficacy and/or availability of an exorcism than his own choices and character development. Better that she draws to the forefront thoughts and feelings Sensei may have forgotten or repressed - which he is quite prone to do, as you point out. (Unless everything in this game is just a representation of Sensei's mind or something, making it a moot point.)

I do wonder what the motivation behind this propogation of her philosophy is. Uta reversing to her younger self and then turning into Maya as part of Sekai's attempt to influence Sensei seems to suggest that she approves very much of the past younger Maya/Sensei relationship and considers it to be some kind of high point with regards to Sensei's acceptance of her beliefs. It may be that Sensei deciding to do to Maya what she did to him would appear like validation to her, that he approved of what she did since he would do so to others as well. "You hate what you think, yet you always think of what you hate." Perhaps applicable to herself as well as Sensei? Perhaps she wasn't quite as bad as Nodoka, and this philosophy she engineered to present herself as being above morality was in some part intended to help her reason her way out of that bit of lingering guilt in the back of her mind over what she did. Making her victim, of all people, accept and internalize her justification for why she abused him would be the ultimate victory in that case. Well, all this is baseless speculation, really.

As for Nodoka, I don't think there was ever much hope for her to not be awful, since IMO she's clearly a psychopath. She was only ever going to behave if by some kind of calculus she arrived at the conclusion that comforming to all social norms would be more beneficial to her than breaking them when she can get away with it. But considering her narcissistic and sadistic streaks, I think it's unlikely she would have made that choice, even without Sekai. On the other hand, if it is the sort of material that someone like Nodoka would find agreeable to the point of integrating it into her self-image, that probably says enough about the content. Still, I really wonder what she could've written, in the form of poetry, that would be so disturbing as to alarm Wakana to such an extent.

As a side note, there's something funny about Sekai's appearance in this event for me, with her just hiding behind a tree spouting verbal abuse and horrible suggestions at Sensei. It's like the inverse of that "Playing Cyrano" trope where a friend is hiding in the bushes and giving advice on what to say to a girl.

I definitely think these thoughts/feelings aren't being forced upon Sensei. They are being highlighted. Emphasized. Sekai seems to want him to indulge in his darkest desires like she did:

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As for why Sekai is like this, I think it's just what ended up making her "Happy". Her whole 'Something everyone knows and ignores' Happy Event is her talking about Happiness and experimenting to find it:

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I'm thinking she thinks that if Sensei accepts his darker side, he'd be happier. Similar to how Nodoka seems to make him feel safe and comfortable:

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Maybe Sensei would be happier if he just let's himself be who he is, instead of pretending. I wonder if that might be where the game is heading?

Honestly, I don't really think Nodoka is that bad overall. (Then again I am somewhat a Nodoka, so I'm likely biased). It's not like Nodoka has gone out of her way to hurt people for no good reason, like Kirin or Yumi. There's also how Nodoka seems to be taking care of her vegetable mother:

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When logically, there's no beneficial reason to, as far as I can tell. I do however think Sekai's had a profound impact on her, which seems to be why she's so interested in Ami now, and probably Akira. Not entirely sure if it's the poetry or something else though. It seems like even the Shapeshifter is appearing before Nodoka:

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So, I wouldn't rule out some supernatural stuff going on.

It does seem a little funny that Sekai is technically giving Sensei advice on what to say to a girl:

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It's like a fucked up satire of that trope. I can kind of imagine Sekai just cheering Sensei on when he gives in: "This is you! Fuck her right in the pussy you disgusting fucking PIG! I just love you so much."

 

[blackredfish]

I do however think Sekai's had a profound impact on her, which seems to be why she's so interested in Ami now, and probably Akira. Not entirely sure if it's the poetry or something else though. It seems like even the Shapeshifter is appearing before Nodoka:
So, I wouldn't rule out some supernatural stuff going on.

And not to mention that Himawari isn't able to impersonate her which is notable:

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You could argue that Nodoka is too much of a genius to really get in her head, but the fact that Himawari also fails to portray her on physical appearance other than wearing her clothes makes me think there's more to it. Definitely some supernatural stuff going on I'd say.

I never bought that she is simply a prodigy, she is being fueled with knowledge by some supernatural entity/ies for their own purpose, likely without her being entirely aware. I don't believe she is such a good judge of character to write that book as close to reality as it is. Someone (not Yasu's God, it seems) wants that book to be out there to cause turmoil and it's using Nodoka for it. So the girl that sees everyone as mere pawns for her own entartainment is nothing but a puppet herself. Probably just wishful thinking, I know.

 

[Tallestdavid]

How to not miss the newest ayane events?

 

[Tallestdavid]

Amy isn't Akiras daughter? Just thinking.

 

[derekthered56]

Amy isn't Akiras daughter? Just thinking.

Man, are we so deep in conspiracy town that Ami actually being the daughter of Sekai and Nozomu like everyone says she is would somehow count as a twist?

 

[Mori Enjoyer]

Amy isn't Akiras daughter? Just thinking.

Probably? If you take the good uncle route in her most recent beach H-scene she alludes to that he would be surprised by some info she could tell him, but nothing concrete other than that and good theories about it.

How to not miss the newest ayane events?

During Chika's latest event, "Our Time Atop The Mattress" you need to choose Ayane option when Chika asks you that question. Nothing confirmed yet for the other options other than some Rin dialogue from what another User told me.

 

[FireCazador]

I understood it as you can 100% the game, but not on your 1st playthrough no mater what choices you make; you will trigger some events to be missed. Once you complete one girl's purity route, you'll be able to reset back to a point and start the quest to 100%. Now he's only teased this with the "Yumiknows", "Amifingered" and "Rinbetrayed" flags but the "*cthree" flags is 1st time where a point possibly has several branches and few future events may be missed and may need be missed to complete a current playthrough.

Me if i have to replay 50h of LiL to "100%" for 5th time:

I hope Sel does a 100% completable on a single run and dont have to repeat the game 300 times

 

[kingarthur0407]

Ayane's cuckin' it big time

 

[1804maya]

You have to look through game code. First of all, identify real name of event. File "screens.rpy" describes event tracker which is a good start point

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Than you should search through game/*.rpy files for string "jump eventname". At this point, you should get idea about specific requirements

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Sometimes, like in this case, you either guess where are you or try to read script before the jump command. However, it is usualy much simplier

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If you want it, I can make you csv with all 0.34.0 events or give you access to my google spreadsheet (it is extemly laggy and completly undocumented, but at least you can copy and past from there). If you want csv, tell me do you prefer parsed (i.e. one column per one character affection level etc) or compact (i.e. like in that screenshot) format. My data is kept in sync with wiki and 99.9% accurate (at least I valdiated it on multiple occasions and now also monitor source code changes)

it would be amazing if you provide me a csv preferably parsed. I would greatly appreciate it!

 

[DeSkel15]

And not to mention that Himawari isn't able to impersonate her which is notable:

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You could argue that Nodoka is too much of a genius to really get in her head, but the fact that Himawari also fails to portray her on physical appearance other than wearing her clothes makes me think there's more to it. Definitely some supernatural stuff going on I'd say.

I never bought that she is simply a prodigy, she is being fueled with knowledge by some supernatural entity/ies for their own purpose, likely without her being entirely aware. I don't believe she is such a good judge of character to write that book as close to reality as it is. Someone (not Yasu's God, it seems) wants that book to be out there to cause turmoil and it's using Nodoka for it. So the girl that sees everyone as mere pawns for her own entartainment is nothing but a puppet herself. Probably just wishful thinking, I know.

In retrospect, Nodoka might be Sekai's "Yasu". Spreading her message and trying to indoctrinate others into their way of thinking. The books Nodoka writes might be comparable to Sekai's poetry. All in an attempt to corrupt/liberate their readers.

It's probably a leap in logic, but perhaps even the 3 gods are actually sides of Sekai that Sensei grew up experiencing and the 4th is her. I'm thinking that the Narrator that tells us about the gods has actually been Sekai this whole time anyway. Her callousness by using Sensei for sex, her calmness in how she was always in control, and her concern about him keeping their secret. Then there's the whole "god is dead" stuff, with Sekai being dead. There's also how one of her poems seems related to the idea of gods:

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The Happy Events also seem to fit Sekai's mentality, as do, well, everything. Even the fact that Sensei can't really be with Maya seems to be something Sekai would want:

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And she may even be the reason that Nao looks like her daughter:

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She's possibly it's creator.

I'm also thinking that The Shapeshifter is either on her side or is supposed to be an ally since she appeared during Sekai's restoration and seemed to want Sensei to have her:

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Same with Noodles:

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Both of Sensei's supposed children are seemingly working with Sekai.

The Sekai-spiracy..

Could definitely be wrong though. There's still a lot of unanswered questions.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

I don't know why everyone is blaming Sekai for that, other than being in the background of course, the narrator that uses italic is Himawari. She has her own devices as showcased by her recent appearance, I wouldn't put past her to manipulate Akira into something.

 

[DeSkel15]

I don't know why everyone is blaming Sekai for that, other than being in the background of course, the narrator that uses italic is Himawari. She has her own devices as showcased by her recent appearance, I wouldn't put past her to manipulate Akira into something.

The Shapeshifter using Italics doesn't act like that and this one specifically says it's a ghost:

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With Sekai appearing right after saying that.

It also just kind of feels like something she'd say:

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Just like there seems to be multiple Narrators, there seems to be multiple Italic Narrators. If I recall correctly, they can even switch it up whenever, so the Italic Narrators don't actually have to talk in Italics.

Edit: Yep:

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Slanting is a choice and I'm pretty sure this is the Shapeshifter:

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Overall: Compare the 'Hyzenthlay' Main Event to Uta's 'Enjo Kousai' and there's a notable difference. I'm also thinking Sekai was the Italic Narrator in 'White-Fronted Parrot' since she just showed up to compare herself to Nodoka before Sensei fucks her, and it doesn't really fit the Shapeshifter. The Shapeshifter also seems to be the Italic Narrator in 'All for you' being the one saying you can't trust anyone besides the clues dressed in blue.

More or less Italic sex related stuff: Sekai. Italic friendly stuff: Shapeshifter.

The Shapeshifter Italic Narrator also doesn't seem to think she can actually be heard:

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While Sensei couldn't seem to ignore the Italic Narrator in 'Enjo Kousai'.

 

[blackredfish]

In retrospect, Nodoka might be Sekai's "Yasu". Spreading her message and trying to indoctrinate others into their way of thinking. The books Nodoka writes might be comparable to Sekai's poetry. All in an attempt to corrupt/liberate their readers.

Sekai would be a main suspect, for sure, but in that case Nodoka doesn't seems to be her only pet. Arguably, she's already planning of doing that with Ami through her "new found" poetry. Can also control Kaori and even Yasu if that italic narrator that likes to demean Sensei is indeed Sekai.

I don't think Himawari is on her side as of now. Yeah, she may be linked to an entity and supposed to work for someone else. But she seems to be following her own agenda, bending the rules as much as she can, for what purpose, we don't know yet. Personally, I interpret that "Come, take it" as "Come, take my hand" to somehow help Akira. That's exactly what she does to Ayane to help her:

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[DeSkel15]

Sekai would be a main suspect, for sure, but in that case Nodoka doesn't seems to be her only pet. Arguably, she's already planning of doing that with Ami through her "new found" poetry. Can also control Kaori and even Yasu if that italic narrator that likes to demean Sensei is indeed Sekai.

I don't think Himawari is on her side as of now. Yeah, she may be linked to an entity and supposed to work for someone else. But she seems to be following her own agenda, bending the rules as much as she can, for what purpose, we don't know yet. Personally, I interpret that "Come, take it" as "Come, take my hand" to somehow help Akira. That's exactly what she does to Ayane to help her:

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I definitely think Sekai is influencing Ami:

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Albeit, unfortunately, it might be reincarnation that is the goal. It kind of seems like Sekai might be planning to become Ami. It's also possible that Sekai is the World that talked to Makoto:

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And those butterfly hairpins:

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Seem like something to watch out for. Overall: Sekai might have a lot more influence than we think, and she's likely only growing in power.

I do think that The Shapeshifter isn't doing what she's supposed to though:

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I'm also thinking Ayane's story may have been intended to end in the woods:

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Things are definitely getting interesting, albeit even the Shapeshifter seems to think this chapter will end badly:

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So, things might get a little too interesting rather soon.

 

[alex2011]

I definitely think Sekai is influencing Ami:

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Albeit, unfortunately, it might be reincarnation that is the goal. It kind of seems like Sekai might be planning to become Ami. It's also possible that Sekai is the World that talked to Makoto:

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And those butterfly hairpins:

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Seem like something to watch out for. Overall: Sekai might have a lot more influence than we think, and she's likely only growing in power.

I do think that The Shapeshifter isn't doing what she's supposed to though:

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I'm also thinking Ayane's story may have been intended to end in the woods:

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Things are definitely getting interesting, albeit even the Shapeshifter seems to think this chapter will end badly:

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So, things might get a little too interesting rather soon.

Too interesting?

 

[DeSkel15]

Too interesting?

Chaotic. Like the world being turned "Upside Down". Interesting, but in a way that a horrible car wreck would be. The last reset, seemed to contain a murder, and the one before that nearly had Maya be left behind, so I can only wonder what this one has in store for us. Especially with all the implications that something bad might happen.

Sensei has seemed to join Yasu/HOPE, but hasn't taken what he shouldn't just yet. Pareidolia's turn is nigh, and apparently that itself seems like it'll have a notable impact at the least. Then there's these things wandering about:

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And of course, how exactly Nao-chan:

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plays into things is anyone's guess. On top of this, there's Sekai:

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The Shapeshifter, Mangled/Memory Ami, the Maya menagerie, and who knows what else. With Makoto's survivability in question, and whether or not Ayane might betray Maya in the background of all this. Well, I for one am very interested, but also a little concerned. The Wholesomeness likely won't last forever.

Of course, I could just be worrying over nothing.

 

[wmtruong]

I was thinking of some new types of event chains and I thought that some ideas that could be cool were a cultural festival where the clubs can show off, a class field trip to a theme park, or a school prom. Does anybody have any other ideas?

 

[DeSkel15]

I was thinking of some new types of event chains and I thought the some ideas that could be cool were a cultural festival where the clubs can show off, a class field trip to a theme park, or a school prom. Does anybody have any other ideas?

A festival or theme park field trip would be cool, but I think a school prom sounds dangerous lol.

There could be some kind of comic convention, considering most of the girls are nerds. Easy excuse for more cosplay.

They could also go to one of Niki's concerts or something. Albeit, that sounds a little dangerous as well.