Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

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DeSkel15

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I feel like you've read between the lines. Annotated it. Read between the lines of your own annotation. Then did that again to arrive at a far-fetched cynical conclusion that Ayane is both sinister and doesn't understand anyone. Ayane being caring isn't some secret I'm uncovering. It's very plainly stated in the game and takes some intense mental gymnastics to overcome. Heck, in the last two scenes we've seen of Ayane we see her concerned about Yasu and Io and have a lengthy conversation with Sana about how she feels.
Your rebuttal of Ayane's card doesn't hold up when you consider her conversation with new Maya right after the reset where she basically tells Maya the same thing. Shes not out of ideas. Acknowledging Sensei and Maya's relationship and pain is literally her go to after Sensei starts to break.

And I know this is semantics at this point but empathy is not being a hyper observant detective. Its about sharing the emotions that are presented to you. For example, Nodoka explaining the way Io feels doesn't remotely make her empathetic. That's the entire point of that scene. Molly breaking down at the beach and having others share in that pain IS empathy.
This is like saying someone doesn't understand english because they can't understand you muttering under your breath. Nah, that guy is fluent. You're just not communicating.

This is all really straying far from my original point. It wasn't my intention to rank a character's ability to understand others. I would have chosen a different word had I known so much emphasis was going to be put on it. My point is, right now, Ami, Maya, and Ayane's friendship is dysfunctional. Indirectly, it's because of Sensei. Directly, it's because the relationship is currently completely one sided from every angle you look at it.

I appreciate the points you make. Sorry if any of this came off as heated.
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It seems like that's more like what you're doing; reading between non existent lines to reach some headcanon that views Ayane as better than she is.

This conversation isn't even about Ayane being "caring", it's about her being empathetic. That's not the same thing. I recommend googling the definition of empathy.

Ayane also literally says she was out of ideas:
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"Ayane's card" was literally Chika's idea.

You're right that Nodoka isn't empathetic. She doesn't understand others. She still cares for her mother and friends, though, hence Empathy and Caring are not the same thing. Being nice or kind isn't the same as understanding others. Sympathy vs Empathy. Etc etc. Ayane also didn't understand Molly on the beach btw, I've brought that up in another post (The Noriko being more perceptive part):
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I think Ayane's kindness is more like a mask she wears.

The real Ayane wants Sensei all for herself, has tried to fuck him on the beds of her best friends, possibly stole Ami's first kiss to cover up her lies, and there was a Main Event that became a deleted scene called 'Horrible People' where she sucked Sensei off under his desk while Ami was talking about wanting to spend time with him, which more or less emphasized that Ayane kind of sucks in more ways than one:
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(Probably too much, hence it becoming a deleted scene while Sel probably prefers it being more subtle.)

Ayane seems to be kind of a shitty person deep down, which may be implied by her causing trouble for businesses, manslaughtering Janitors, and lying to and/or using everyone who's there for her, like Ami and Sana. (Keep in mind Ami and Sana have likely been there for her since her mother left her at 11)

When it comes down to it, Ayane simply seems out for herself:
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And there's nothing we can do to stop her:
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Frankly, Ayane may have even played a part in Maya's crumbling based off how she was acting before it:
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And how Yasu implied she knew Ayane wanted to take Maya's place:
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Which she kind of has, albeit probably not in the way she wanted.

Noriko on the other hand wishes Ayane luck in her pursuit of Sensei:
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And basically wants everyone to be happy, whether it's Ami, Maya, or Uta:
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It's also been shown that Noriko is more perceptive than Ayane:
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Or at least more Empathetic.

Overall: Ayane and Noriko are similar in their outspoken love for Sensei, but are notably different in how they spend their time, think, and treat others.
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Ayane actually tried to convince Sensei to fuck her on Ami's bed twice (first try got interrupted by Ami), and Sensei can fuck Ayane on Sana's bed towards the end of Chapter 3, as well, which seemed to also be Ayane's idea:
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The Kirin stuff is completely optional and doesn't really matter much because of it. Kirin and Ayane can even still be friends currently.

Nothing makes this look good.

Ayane refused to use Sara's name because she saw her as a threat once, but yeah she's not really threatening to jump people like Chika. Although she very clearly does not want to share or let anyone else have a chance with Sensei. Noriko actually supports others, including her sister, in trying to get with Sensei. Noriko wants to be loved, but being the only one isn't really the plan, as she seems to be perfectly fine with sharing him. Ayane also does get a little hostile when she thinks someone is trying to "steal" Sensei:
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Ayane spent hours with the Shapeshifter and was talking about why the world is like this when she said it was good news for her:
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Anyway, the point was she might have helped kill off Maya Prime, to steal her place, but it's not entirely clear yet. If so, she should at the least feel guilty.

Ayane acknowledging that someone, even Sana, wants Sensei, isn't anywhere close to Noriko wishing her own rivals luck, and wanting them to be happy. We also haven't seen the actual fallout of Sana admitting her feelings to Ayane (Ayane definitely acted strange). Sana actually seemed to grow closer to Noriko after it, ironically.

Overall: Until Noriko goes out of her way to fuck Sensei on Niki's or even Kirin's bed, I don't really see how they are all that comparable, beyond being outspoken about their love for Sensei. Ayane even seems far more stalkerish. Having pics of Sensei sleeping on her wall, and recently casually pulling out a copy of his phone.

Ayane's also straight, rich, and studies karate for fun. Noriko is bi, works, and delivers food to the homeless. Ayane carries guns. Noriko carries a pocket knife. Ayane will choke and slap people. Noriko hasn't even hurt a fly as far as I recall. Even when it comes to diets they are different.

If Noriko was actually like Ayane, Kirin would probably have issues with her like she does with Ayane and Karin.

Frankly, I see Kirin and Ayane as even more similar. Both get off on defiling the things of others, will betray the trust of their friends for Sensei's dick, are neglected by their parents, and gave away their virginity as soon as they could.

Edit: Ayane and Kirin also both have "loli" friends they are close with and actually tried to preserve their innocence at the start, until they became corrupted anyway. (Sana vs Miku)
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Ayane's lack of empathy contrasts her with Noriko.

But yeah, their relationships are dysfunctional. It'd probably be better if they quit lying to, hitting (in Ayane's case), and betraying eachother.

It is one sided from Ami's side, though.
Keep in mind: Ami is broken in bed right now. Where are her "friends" that she's been there for when they were sad? There's a reason Ami pointed out that she wishes she had a friend she could trust last update:
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All of her friends seem to want to betray her and fuck her uncle. Also apparently fuck him on her bed, because I guess that's just the kind of people they are. Sana at least seems up for sharing, ironically:
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DeSkel15 said:
It seems like that's more of what you're doing; reading between non existent lines to reach some headcanon that views Ayane as better than she is.

This conversation isn't even about Ayane being "caring", it's about her being empathetic. That's not the same thing. I recommend googling the definition of empathy.

Ayane also literally says she was out of ideas:
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"Ayane's card" was literally Chika's idea.

You're right that Nodoka isn't empathetic. She doesn't understand others. She still cares for her mother and friends, though, hence Empathy and Caring are not the same thing. Being nice or kind isn't the same as understanding others. Sympathy vs Empathy. Etc etc. Ayane also didn't understand Molly on the beach btw, I've brought that up in another post (The Noriko being more perceptive part):


Ayane's lack of empathy contrasts her with Noriko.

But yeah, their relationships are dysfunctional. It'd probably be better if they quit lying to, hitting (in Ayane's case), and betraying eachother.

It is one sided from Ami's side, though.
Keep in mind: Ami is broken in bed right now. Where are her "friends", that she's been there for, when they were sad? There's a reason Ami pointed out that she wishes she had a friend she could trust last update:
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All of her friends seem to want to betray her and fuck her uncle. Also apparently fuck him on her bed, because I guess that's just the kind of people they are. Sana at least seems up for sharing, ironically:
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I don't care that the card was chika's idea. You've brought that up twice. That's not relevant at all. I care about the contents of the card. What Ayane chose to say.

Non-existant lines is a really weird thing to say when my "headcanon" is litterally the same as sensei's. Who says "Ayane's biggest flaw is that she's too detail-oriented and caring." I didn't reach far for this conclusion. I barely had to move at all.

I know what the definition of empathy is. We're just going to have to disagree here until we learn to jump into character's heads and see if the emotions match.
 
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I don't care that the card was chika's idea. You've brought that up twice. That's not relevant at all. I care about the contents of the card. What Ayane chose to say.

Non-existant lines is a really weird thing to say when my "headcanon" is litterally the same as sensei's. Who says "Ayane's biggest flaw is that she's too detail-oriented and caring." I didn't reach far for this conclusion. I barely had to move at all.

I know what the definition of empathy is. We're just going to have to disagree here until we learn to jump into character's heads and see if the emotions match.
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Dont even bother. There is just no way to reason with this guy when his headcanon has decided somethig.
 
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Does anyone know why the wiki stopped updating? It's been, like, a month.
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It hasn't. Last major update was at April 20th, just after 0.39 public release. However, wiki recently lost Tofu Muncher, one of two active textwriters, so after-release updates do not include filled event synopsises any more. On the bright side - it seems that V has paused his synopsis rewrite project and switched to filling up new updates. You can see what's going on here:
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Now i became currious, any girl balls you wouldnt drain? :unsure:
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assuming every girl in the game was turned into a futa, the girls i wouldn't be interested in getting jiggy with it are thus:
  1. Futaba
  2. Tsuneyo
  3. Maya
  4. Molly
  5. Ami
  6. Wakana
  7. The wizards
None of them give me 'the pull', the thing i feel that makes me want to service a futa. I was looking through the character pics one by one, imagining them pulling their dick out and lightly slapping it on my face a few times, semi erect, and then saying 'suck it' and i felt the pull for all the others to varying degrees. The one that really kinda shocked me with the strength of the pull was:
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I dunno, i really like Yasu as a character but i never thought i'd be a totally cock thirsty slut for a futa-Yasu... apparently i would be... that piercing stare, telling me to suck it... :oops: "yes mistress..."
 
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The one that really kinda shocked me with the strength of the pull was:
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I dunno, i really like Yasu as a character but i never thought i'd be a totally cock thirsty slut for a futa-Yasu... apparently i would be... that piercing stare, telling me to suck it... :oops: "yes mistress..."
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So you are not interested in yasu, but futa-yasu would be high on the list? Or do i missunderstand this now?

And just to make this crystal clear, i am not judging. I am not judging any of this. ;)
 
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Bingoogus said:
assuming every girl in the game was turned into a futa, the girls i wouldn't be interested in getting jiggy with it are thus:
  1. Futaba
  2. Tsuneyo
  3. Maya
  4. Molly
  5. Ami
  6. Wakana
  7. The wizards
None of them give me 'the pull', the thing i feel that makes me want to service a futa. I was looking through the character pics one by one, imagining them pulling their dick out and lightly slapping it on my face a few times, semi erect, and then saying 'suck it' and i felt the pull for all the others to varying degrees. The one that really kinda shocked me with the strength of the pull was:
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I dunno, i really like Yasu as a character but i never thought i'd be a totally cock thirsty slut for a futa-Yasu... apparently i would be... that piercing stare, telling me to suck it... :oops: "yes mistress..."
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This is a bit worrying especially with the tools they've got
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I believe we've finally found out the next victim of The Horse Cock attachment.
 
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Bingoogus

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So you are not interested in yasu, but futa-yasu would be high on the list? Or do i missunderstand this now?

And just to make this crystal clear, i am not judging. I am not judging any of this. ;)
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To say i'm not interested would be incorrect, there is some interest, but it's overshadowed by my protective side, Yasu is a very tragic character, if she were real i would desperately want her to get psychiatric help, and whilst this is all fiction and none of these characters are real so who gives a shit, telling that to my animal brain is a waste of energy, Yasu is a character i feel protective feelings for, not sexual, even if i find her attractive. Give her a dick though and my animal brain breaks as it always does with futas, suddenly she's got mixed traits, it's sexist as fuck but if i'm being honest, i can't deny the feeling that guys have more agency than girls when it comes to sex, i know it's wrong and a guy can be raped and a girl can be a rapist but again, speaking purely from and for my animal brain, a chick with a dick is just expected to be more dominant, more powerful, more capable of deciding what she's subjected to and what she volunteers herself for. I'd feel like a right fucking creep having a young woman like Yasu inviting me to have sex with her, girl needs help, but Futa Yasu telling me to "get on my knees and suck my dick right now"... i dunno, something in my brain just says i don't need to decline for her protection, she's capable of not initiating sex with me and has decided to do so... that's consent, proper consent, to my animal brain.

All this isn't to say any of this would happen in reality, i'm just throwing these questions at my brain in the form of imagined scenarios and writing down my reactions and observations. As an average dude i am not going to pretend several hundred thousand years of evolution telling my genitals to 'fuck women between 14 and 18 as it is optimal breeding age' doesn't make me feel sexual arousal for these girls often enough, it's just, it's not exactly difficult to tell my animal brain to sit down and shut up if i feel uncomfortable getting intimate with any woman under 25 at this point in my life. It's half the reason i enjoy exploring these themes in fiction, no potential victims and plenty of interesting and unexpected discoveries to make about my own brain and how the animal and civilized sides of it can clash. As demonstrated, such an unexpected reaction to Futa Yasu... going to have to explore these thoughts more and see what interesting things i can find.
 
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Bingoogus said:
assuming every girl in the game was turned into a futa, the girls i wouldn't be interested in getting jiggy with it are thus:
  1. Futaba
  2. Tsuneyo
  3. Maya
  4. Molly
  5. Ami
  6. Wakana
  7. The wizards
None of them give me 'the pull', the thing i feel that makes me want to service a futa. I was looking through the character pics one by one, imagining them pulling their dick out and lightly slapping it on my face a few times, semi erect, and then saying 'suck it' and i felt the pull for all the others to varying degrees. The one that really kinda shocked me with the strength of the pull was:
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I dunno, i really like Yasu as a character but i never thought i'd be a totally cock thirsty slut for a futa-Yasu... apparently i would be... that piercing stare, telling me to suck it... :oops: "yes mistress..."
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Do it, Bingoogus. Suck it.
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Bingoogus said:
To say i'm not interested would be incorrect, there is some interest, but it's overshadowed by my protective side, Yasu is a very tragic character, if she were real i would desperately want her to get psychiatric help,
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Yeah, i get that. That event that did hind at sexual abuse did hit me pretty hard. But did Tsukasa not at least imply that she already got her some psychiatric help? I might missremember this, or it might be a different event where she did imply that. :unsure:
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and whilst this is all fiction and none of these characters are real so who gives a shit,
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That goes without saying. All harmless fun. I mean i dont feel the same, the best i get from a girl with a dick is at best a very confused boner.

Bingoogus said:
As demonstrated, such an unexpected reaction to Futa Yasu... going to have to explore these thoughts more and see what interesting things i can find.
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Well, at least you learned something about yourself. (y)

Edit: OMG it really happened. Just why did i click the spoiler? Why? :cry:
 
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