Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[aramaug]

Wanted to add some thoughts on Noriko's bizarre journey.
1. Assuming Nao in the lucid dream being the same wizard Nao we know is straightforward and very likely to be correct, but I can't cast away the feeling that Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT isn't exactly the same Nao that held hands with Noriko moments ago.

• This isn't the first time Nao got sent to paranormal locations, but during those two incidents she appeared to be a conscious but confused bystander who got involved not out of her own volition. This time the Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is tasked by Maya as Noriko's guide. Being "a part of it" fits how mysterious Nao is, but also is in fact very unprecedent.
• Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is rendered without eyes, her most defining feature.
• Tsuneyo's friend in light purple cap can be spotted immediately prior to the loading screen. He's placed there in the scene on purpose and I can't help thinking whether he has something to do with any part of it.

2. Why can Noriko enter such a place? DEN OF THE MOLERAT is a replica of Heaven, and the idea of Heaven is reinvented by Yasu shortly before as "just another name for another plane". More importantly, one doesn't enter this specific plane on accident, and one has to believe in it for it to exist as well.
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The "believe in it" part I think is a cute throwback to Noriko's personality, believing things like some other timeline or some other world, though this can hardly be a proof and I am bringing this up out of romantic whim.
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Regardless, there is a desire that empowers Noriko to find this plane, and that desire is not aligned with amiokay or whoever is behind amiokay, with the former promptly kicking her out. So what recent desire does Noriko have that pertains to "making wishes come true"? The desire not to understand what happened to Maya, but to know.
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Thus a certain force in power (Nao, Maya, purple cap guy, or Noriko herself, or anyone suspicious honestly) separates Noriko from where and when she means to be and sends her to the bottom of everything, where what's probably become of Prime Maya after 6th reset lies before Noriko to let her know that something did happen to Maya, and let her keep this memory, but not let her understand any of it.

3. I am a little concerned about what's written on the blackboard.
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First two are classic LiL BS, but the last one is "-ingle twin". What is that? If I zoom hard enough it looks like "single twin", but what twin anyway?

There is currently no twin in the game and if we're not talking about mattress sizes, I can't helping relating this to the fact that both Maya and amiokay are there in the room at the same time. Blending this with other foreboding things like "Have you found it yet? The paradox?" by amiokay, the constant theme of needing to distinguish amiokay from Maya in multiple happy events, "maybe she was never meant to be here at all" by Pareidolia, and then heavy doses of unruly imagination gives me headache.
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(I wrote last two almost like fan fictions so don't bother looking for supporting proof because there aint any lol)

4. Some random things that lead to nowhere:

• I am a little upset that Noriko didn't comment on Nao's eye colors. Of all the girls out there Noriko should be the few ones that would be able to draw some interesting thoughts about Nao's eyes, but she didn't.
• Nao's favorite animal is probably not something real to us if Noriko never heard of it (unless Nao speaks in nomenclature or it's just an extremely random animal, and Noriko is not Nodoka-level smart), at least not frog or chicken perhaps. With her nightmarish drawing, it'd be hilarious if her favorite animal is fucking wilford blackhole hands.

• I like the idea that Noriko is pulled in because she "wishes" to know. Nao was the result of Kaori's wish and seems likely to be connected to the wishing well.
• Purple hat guy showing up and Nao having no eyes are both things that I missed but seem important. Purple hat guy is identified as Tsuneyo's friend and I kind of got the impression he was watching over her, so maybe he's sent by Wires. Not sure why he would be watching Noriko, maybe some old district connection.
• Nao's lack of eyes reminds me of a similar thing with Ghost Sekai in the background of some event that I can't recall.
• Chinami also asked Nao about her favorite animal in "Becoming a Kidnapper" and the answer was apparently rhinos. I'm not sure if her answer changed, if Noriko is just commenting that she hasn't heard it specifically as answer to her question, or maybe Nao mentioned a specific type of rhino. Probably a coincidence, but the narrator in "DEN OF THE MOLE RAT" does mention the "Southern White Rhino".

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The writing on the chalkboard is the same as in "Turn Off the Lights".

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• "List the things you love" has appeared two other times that I know of. First in an image in Miku's Chapter 1 event "Nightvision", which seems likely connected to Pareidolia. Second, Kaori says it one of the times that she's in Tojo Ramen.
• "Stop Looking for Answers" is something Maya says, but I think Pareidolia has also said it.

The twin thing has been bugging me since I saw it while replaying Chapter 1. There technically is one twin mentioned in the game, as Nodoka has the supposed evil twin Shiori, but that seems unlikely to be related.

I haven't come up with any concrete ideas, but here are some clues that might be relevant. The hex text above the twin message is exactly what the upside down, T-posing Ami says in "Trinity pt. I" (and she also says she has nightvision, i.e. can see more in the dark)

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Strangely, she doesn't count herself as one the things cuddled up beside him, even if you're having sex with her, so maybe this is some alternate version of Ami.

One other thing that might be a hint toward twins, but is a stretch: in "Rewrite" the narrator talks about seeing "our children's seventh birthday", implying the narrator and Sensei could have (or will have in the future) multiple children together that share a single birthday. Later in the event this is "corrected" to "our childrens' seventh birthdays". Given the change in both the apostrophe and the plural, it doesn't seem likely to just be a typo (and in any case Sel has been pretty diligent about going back to correct old typos).

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Since I brought up the "Trinity pt. I" hallway scene, there's another thing about it that mystifies me. When the girls appear upside down, Ayane and Futaba are looking away from Sensei, which is not their normal dorm pose (we can't see where Miku, Rin, or Maya are looking). Then when they're right-side up, they're looking at Sensei.

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I can't think of what would connect Ayane and Futaba but no one else.

 

[SeZ2041]

Selebus posted instructions on how to update LiL RenPY version in his discord. Please note, that renpy is not guaranteing that saves, made with manually upgraded renpy would work in newer versions of LiL. Backup your saves if you consider to manually update renpy.

Good news is that Selebus will update renpy eventually, so I suggest to not manually update it if old renpy is steal bearable for you

PS brace yourself, new wave of "My saves are broken" incoming

Now I know why my save file disappeared

 

[JelF547]

Now I know why my save file disappeared

No, your save file disapeared because you have installed care packages. This is why your save file would disapear in future

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Is there any speculation as to why more and more characters are becoming aware of not just temporal inconsistencies or odd behaviors, but seemingly paranormal events/entities/locations? Or is it simply a consequence of the narrator / Akira / player becoming more aware/doing more, or because the story has to actually go somewhere (like the dark path)? I took a couple long breaks and haven't read up on everything people have mentioned (haven't even commented before) so I'm just wondering if I'm missing hints or forgetting parts.

 

[Yarazin]

Even with Maki, one of the things that confused me about Chapter 4 was suddenly I could go get a BJ again at the Porn shop, but I don't recall or remember and event where Maki told us that she stopped her celibacy kick.

Those kind of things bug the crap out of me. Why can Sensei visit the girls again and stuff if we still haven't had a conversation with them. I try to avoid all that shitty part of the sandbox.

 

[Moonflare]

Is there any speculation as to why more and more characters are becoming aware of not just temporal inconsistencies or odd behaviors, but seemingly paranormal events/entities/locations? Or is it simply a consequence of the narrator / Akira / player becoming more aware/doing more, or because the story has to actually go somewhere (like the dark path)? I took a couple long breaks and haven't read up on everything people have mentioned (haven't even commented before) so I'm just wondering if I'm missing hints or forgetting parts.

It has been hinted that it's because this cycle has been going for way longer than it should have. Their memories are adjusted with each reset, but it's supposed to be surface level - and then when a new cycle begins, everyone is factory reset. In this cycle however, they're starting to have to account for years of inconsistencies which is making everyone struggle with adjusting memories = remember more.

it has been said that the wishing well has dried up too, this may be related to that. All in all, your intuition was right, as it could be said that it's because this version of Akira has been staying around longer than what was expected.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

It has been hinted that it's because this cycle has been going for way longer than it should have. Their memories are adjusted with each reset, but it's supposed to be surface level - and then when a new cycle begins, everyone is factory reset. In this cycle however, they're starting to have to account for years of inconsistencies which is making everyone struggle with adjusting memories = remember more.

it has been said that the wishing well has dried up too, this may be related to that. All in all, your intuition was right, as it could be said that it's because this version of Akira has been staying around longer than what was expected.

That makes sense and is probably the extremely obvious answer. It just kind of feels like there's a difference between people having had memories they shouldn't have earlier, and the ones now. That might be me overthinking it or missing something, though. I suppose that is the point since there's more deviation within the cycle as well as its own weirdness.

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Still don't fully understand a lot such as the wishing well, and not sure if that's solely because it's not supposed to be fully explained yet, or partially because I'm missing something. Playing the game in patches over a long time will do that, though. Probably need to revisit or look up a couple things.

 

[SeZ2041]

No, your save file disapeared because you have installed care packages. This is why your save file would disapear in future

I just checked and yep... Oh well, hours of skipping coming

 

[Vega Cifer]

Sorry if I'm late, and probably someone did it before, but just finished the update and wanted to share the triggers for the events for anyone that might be looking for them:

Yasu1 = Needs Touka camping event. Autoplays Sunday morning.
Yasu2/3 = Autoplays Saturday night. Yasu3 is the main unlocker of the rest of the events.
Maki = Porn shop + lust>5 + Yasu3.
Futaba = Dorms + lust>25 + Yasu3.
Haruka = Cafe + weekend + Yasu3. Rin autoplays after.
Io1/2/3 = Bathhouse + weekday + Yasu3.
Uta1 = Yasu3. Autoplays Saturday morning.
Uta2 = Autoplays Wednesday night.
Noriko1 = Convenience store + love>30 + Yasu3.
Noriko2 = Uta1. Autoplays Sunday afternoon.
Kirin = Noriko1. Autoplays Saturday afternoon.
Wakana1/2 + Imani1/2 = Yasu3 + Uta2 + Noriko2 + Kirin + Io2. Autoplays Saturday morning.

Thanks, this is really helpful. I see rin has an event too, is anything needed for that? Nevermind, I am truly slow LOL. Just saw rin autoplays

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Does anyone has save file from 40? I suddenly lost the save file when I started the game on 41

I should still have my saves from .40 if you still need it. It's not a 100% or anything though

 

[SeZ2041]

I should still have my saves from .40 if you still need it. It's not a 100% or anything though

Better than starting over

 

[Moonflare]

That makes sense and is probably the extremely obvious answer. It just kind of feels like there's a difference between people having had memories they shouldn't have earlier, and the ones now. That might be me overthinking it or missing something, though. I suppose that is the point since there's more deviation within the cycle as well as its own weirdness.

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Still don't fully understand a lot such as the wishing well, and not sure if that's solely because it's not supposed to be fully explained yet, or partially because I'm missing something. Playing the game in patches over a long time will do that, though. Probably need to revisit or look up a couple things.

Those things should not be the same, as you pointed out. Nodoka is hinted to have a connection to the world itself, and Noriko is led by Nao-chan. Tsuneyo is hinted to have a connection to Wires, the girls that remember (everything) all have a connection to the roof.

One other point of interest is that this cycle isn't randomly happening, it was engineered to be this way by foreign entities. Akira remembering, Maya giving in, Ayane surviving, Nao-chan being sent as help, Spring arriving - all of this is part of a larger plan (or to be more accurate multiple plans to make this cycle different). So definitely it isn't all just because the cycle is taking longer, since the reason it's taking longer isn't random.

Edit: I should probably give a concrete example. So, Noriko's school sinks in, that brings her to Akira's school, which leads to her giving him a box with Niki's letters - that's the moment he remembers his first memory of being the real Akira. Fast-forward a few hours, he ends the night on a roof with Maya, Noodles and Himawari. This was not a random event that just happened. Another example: Himawari shows up to sell Akira the very same scarf that Maya had when Akira accepted her feelings, she breaks down when receiving it, which kickstarts her giving in process. There are many such cases of things being nudged in a specific way.

 

[Comiies]

These latest Nodoka moments were quite a treat i must say.But i want to talk about her for a bit.

Personally i dont think Nodoka will be extremely important in the grand scheme of things,as someone like Noriko would.No instead i believe she will be LiLs own Icarus.Her curiosity will consume her and then we will have to pick up the pieces.It would be quite fitting.Anywho another thing i wanna talk about is the matter of resets.Now that Maya prime as the people in this thread have taken to calling her is gone,who will reset the world?Will the world need another reset?

 

[Moonflare]

These latest Nodoka moments were quite a treat i must say.But i want to talk about her for a bit.

Personally i dont think Nodoka will be extremely important in the grand scheme of things,as someone like Noriko would.No instead i believe she will be LiLs own Icarus.Her curiosity will consume her and then we will have to pick up the pieces.It would be quite fitting.Anywho another thing i wanna talk about is the matter of resets.Now that Maya prime as the people in this thread have taken to calling her is gone,who will reset the world?Will the world need another reset?

Wow, that's such an interesting idea! I really like that image of Nodoka being a sort of Icarus. I'm looking forward to it.

Regarding the resets, that's the question on everyone's mind. Technically, the last one wasn't done by Maya, but by Big Boi - who said that it was very simple. Actually, even Maya sort of hints at that. And maybe her part on it was simply asking whichever god she prayed to to do it for her (not her actually doing it then). If that's how it was, then the one that performed the last reset was Ayane, since she asked a supernatural entity to reset the world - same as Maya, just without praying.

I am curious though, and am doubly curious about if Pareidolia would even consider a reset during his Spring, since it's supposed to be infinite. It might be that the other gods will try to forcefully change seasons with just one reset - we'll see...

 

[barglenarglezous]

Those kind of things bug the crap out of me. Why can Sensei visit the girls again and stuff if we still haven't had a conversation with them. I try to avoid all that shitty part of the sandbox.

Some of it is shitty programming.

My favorite example of this kind of inconsistency is that if you start a new game and visit any of the girls that have had a makeover in the dorms, you get their current post-makeover model in the generic, not the correct version for the stage of the game you're in.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Better than starting over

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Due to an oversight (I fucked up my backup) It's not my end-of-update .40 save, but it's right after the death ball event from the sensei-less dorm wars, so it's basically really close. I'm not sure what events you'll have to redo, I don't really remember. You can just slap the files in your 'saves' folder and (assuming I didn't fuck up uploading the fucked up backup) you should be good to go

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Everybody talks about the void in his eyes but not the field of flowers behind it


////////////////AND REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD YOU BEFORE

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Those things should not be the same, as you pointed out. Nodoka is hinted to have a connection to the world itself, and Noriko is led by Nao-chan. Tsuneyo is hinted to have a connection to Wires, the girls that remember (everything) all have a connection to the roof.

One other point of interest is that this cycle isn't randomly happening, it was engineered to be this way by foreign entities. Akira remembering, Maya giving in, Ayane surviving, Nao-chan being sent as help, Spring arriving - all of this is part of a larger plan (or to be more accurate multiple plans to make this cycle different). So definitely it isn't all just because the cycle is taking longer, since the reason it's taking longer isn't random.

Edit: I should probably give a concrete example. So, Noriko's school sinks in, that brings her to Akira's school, which leads to her giving him a box with Niki's letters - that's the moment he remembers his first memory of being the real Akira. Fast-forward a few hours, he ends the night on a roof with Maya, Noodles and Himawari. This was not a random event that just happened. Another example: Himawari shows up to sell Akira the very same scarf that Maya had when Akira accepted her feelings, she breaks down when receiving it, which kickstarts her giving in process. There are many such cases of things being nudged in a specific way.

That's a much better way of putting it and looking at it. The girls are already influenced as well as the cycle. I guess the question is just why, and why even more so recently — but that's been the question for the entire game, and I'm probably grasping at straws wondering what's up with it. I suppose now I'm just wondering what specifically is going on with people like Noriko and Nodoka. Some of it seems a little less clear. Now that you mention it, who/what was behind the sinkhole near Noriko's old school, anyway? I kinda just never thought about it again. Hopefully there will be more answers soon, now that I'm actually playing as updates come out again and need to know.

 

[Moonflare]

That's a much better way of putting it and looking at it. The girls are already influenced as well as the cycle. I guess the question is just why, and why even more so recently — but that's been the question for the entire game, and I'm probably grasping at straws wondering what's up with it. I suppose now I'm just wondering what specifically is going on with people like Noriko and Nodoka. Some of it seems a little less clear. Now that you mention it, who/what was behind the sinkhole near Noriko's old school, anyway? I kinda just never thought about it again. Hopefully there will be more answers soon, now that I'm actually playing as updates come out again and need to know.

The best guess at the moment is Pareidolia. Neither HOPE nor Wires profit from changing things, since the cycles already changed from one to the other for hundreds of years. Following that logic, Himawari should have been working under Pareidolia until saving Ayane.

However, there are four users, not three. So a very strong possibility exists that Himawari's goals aligned with Pareidolia's up to a certain point. But they're not necessarily the same endgoal, and she may be working under USER4 instead. Both of them needed Akira to remember his past, and possibly for Maya to be taken out. Did both of them need Sekai to be brought back, instead of just Akira remembering her? unknown.

Who are the ones that sent Nao-chan to help? It's around that time that things start to get really messy, because it's around the point that Akira is first saved from factory reset by an unknown entity - other than USER1 and USER2 (during "untitled") that the status quo crumbles. It isn't about HOPE versus Wires anymore. Pareidolia makes itself known, and other entities start appearing. So from that point forward, it's also acceptable for HOPE and Wires to start trying to change things too (to restore the old status quo if nothing else).

So we're at a point in the story that every entity has cause for trying to interfere. Which makes it narrowing down that much harder (this may include random gods and the world itself).

 

[NicolasL4D]

Hey guys, what emotions have Akira visibly expressed to begin with?

Like, we've seen anger like once, uneasyness, maybe even fear. I think .41 was the first time we saw visible sadness? At least in the Io event. Idk.