Moonflare

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third replay has started, this post deals with an old goth chick crying at some words, and the identity of the first narrator of the game, and why her name is Ami/Amy the second.

In the past I have talked about how it was only during my second playthrough that I started to love LiL, but that is incorrect at least regarding my first impression of it. Sure, there was a lot that I scoffed at during my first time (like Yasu and the gods' nonsense), a lot I skipped entirely (like Chika's storyline), but this, this had me from the start:
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I remember reading every sentence out loud, because the music captivated me so much that I decided to really give my all this time. Rarely would I would this with a porn game, hell, it's even rare for me to do it with a proper novel. But here I was reading word for word out loud, with no idea what would come next and we have first the idea of perception, how the correct angle of light can make invisible things visible; then we have the romantization of death (which spawned so many theories that Akira jumped to his death at the beginning of the game), but here's where all the hairs of my arm never fail to stand up: "the third thing I can never understand is you".

Man, what a strong start to a narrative. I wonder how many times Selebus rewrote this. It's just so powerful! "because where you're going is somewhere special. Somewhere with so much strangeness in every single one of its proportions that you'll be forced to understand how truly beautiful life can be, even during its darkest moments." It's haunting.

Then as we get to the "I'm supposed to tell you that nothing is real. We're all just air. So, how about we breathe together?" I start crying like a child. This is one seriously amazing start.

On another note though, yet again, upon seeing the entire event I'm convinced this is Himawari, here is my evidence:
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tldr of who the narrator is:
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Moonflare

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let me tell you, the amount of "Ami knowing about resets" undertones from the start is absurd (there was more, it's just that in this conversation it was off the charts):
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Also, the irony:
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aramaug

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third replay has started, this post deals with an old goth chick crying at some words, and the identity of the first narrator of the game, and why her name is Ami/Amy the second.
I agree with a lot of what you said, there definitely are things that could point to Himawari, but I still think the evidence against her is stronger. Here's my devil's advocate response to each of your points:
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Good posts so far, please keep them coming. I'm not following along with your playthrough (finishing the entire game in a month is absolutely wild to me, even with the autovn mod) but I finished my second playthrough recently enough that hopefully I'll be able to chime in as you go.
 

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Is the game good ?
You know, my first impulse was to give you a snarky no.

But hey, reasonable question, so....

It's a very well-written looooong metaphysical (or maybe psychological) horror VN with themes of pedophilia and hebephilia, where the MC is both an abuse victim and an abuser, and is struggling with that (among many other things). Oh, and there's some sex with questionably of-age girls (at least one of whom he's directly related to), and even a grown woman or three.

But this is definitely not a game for getting your jollies quickly.
 

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One Question, just to make it clear for me...
I played the game, I think till 3rd reset or something. There was never ever NTR stuff.....but now I found some postings, where people talked about NTR.
Well, my question is, if one of the girst wil be taken by another, so far to me unknown man, or if there is only some lesbian stuff included?
 

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One Question, just to make it clear for me...
I played the game, I think till 3rd reset or something. There was never ever NTR stuff.....but now I found some postings, where people talked about NTR.
Well, my question is, if one of the girst wil be taken by another, so far to me unknown man, or if there is only some lesbian stuff included?
As of the latest update there's no male competitor. One close scene is someone's backstory where you see someone getting gangbanged. And as of the latest update one of the girls torture rapes another, but people cried NTR.
 

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The entirety of the beginning of the game is pretty much about Ami knowing about resets lol I mean, not really, but it happens a lot. So here's a few more:

(the first one is just a funny reference, the rest are actually about her knowing things)
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I can only imagine Himawari watching all of this:
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Also, Ami knew what was going on and didn't intrude cause, yeah, why would she - she's got a degree in being cucked, courtesy of Sekai. Ami just stood there behind the curtain knowing that Ayane was kissing Akira, I don't think I had realised the implication of this until now - I just thought she asked for them at the door and left, but I don't think so anymore.
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Also as a minor note, it definitely helps with the theory of Ayane being the endgame that she's the first, or maybe at least that we're in the Himawari meddling cycle idk.
 

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I suspected something like this when I first read it. But after messing around with character studio trying to get the lighting to look better I coincidentally can now confirm it. The "zmr_005_LUT32 with that heavy left slider" line from "Soliloquy (Wearing Someone Else's Clothes)" [Ayane event]. Is referring to what is basically the dark/night lighting colour effect that presumably Selebus would have used in the game many times by now.
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Maybe someone else already posted this, I don't remember.
 

DeanNoriko

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The entirety of the beginning of the game is pretty much about Ami knowing about resets lol I mean, not really, but it happens a lot. So here's a few more:

(the first one is just a funny reference, the rest are actually about her knowing things)
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I noticed the same situations with Ami but I interpreted them differently. To me, they were rather showing how oblivious the early game Ami is and how she reacts relatively naturally to Akira's situation (given her general character). I don't feel like she is manipulating him into any direction at all.
Some sentences and wordings do seem like foreshadowing, but in my opinion they were deliberately placed by Sel (I mentioned some of them in one of my earlier Replay posts) and not something Ami was supposed to be consciously aware of.

I'm no expert at psychology, but wouldn't you say a lot of these instances could fall under the concept of confirmation bias?
What I mean by that is that once you obtain future knowledge, looking back into the past, you jump to conclusion and interpret situations fitting a pattern that you already established in your head.
I'm not saying that all of your examples apply to that, it's possible that some of them might really be Ami being aware of resets and decides to hint at that fact. But why would she even do that? What's there to gain for her, other than risking Akira recalling prior memories and Maya becoming even more suspicious of her?
It doesn't really sit right with me and I personally registered them as either coincidences that I just forcefully connected with current theories and knowledge or simply as Sel being an egomaniac Sel who wants to prove to people who replay the game that he was so wise and mindful to hint at future events and developments early in the game.

Now in terms of Maya, definitely, she is hinting at that stuff constantly, almost teasing Akira with it in the hopes to awaken his memories and challenging him to become more than the boring niece-fucking husk of himself that she had to endure for the past GODgod-knows-how-many cycles.

Anyways, keep the posts coming!
I will try to continue my run hopefully today as well.
 
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