Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[VoidExile]

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Spoiler: Day 161-206, some reactions, thoughts and questions

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[Moonflare]

I knew like 5 girls that'd flirt with Teachers, Drug Dealers, and Police, to get what they wanted, growing up. They'd also typically have boyfriends on top of that.

I know for sure, one was pregnant (I mean, the belly was an obvious give away). Can't tell you if the Teacher was the daddy, though.

I'm also not the social type even if people tended to group up around me. That's just from casual observation. (Albeit, I did tend to be around the "bad kids" and boy would the girls in LiL be different if Men and Drugs weren't so suspiciously absent in this game for the most part.)

Anyway, I definitely don't see Kirin as anything special in any way, shape, or form.

I'd think most girls in her position would do similar. She really just wants attention, and it's not like Sensei was a random person. She already had a good idea that he was a pervert (and one at an all girls school), and Ayane was someone she's had a petty grudge, and a crush on, for likely years, then the opportunity presented itself. If that opportunity never did, then they're still friends.

Hence why optionally, Kirin and Ayane are still friends. At least, until next update, lmao.

That doesn't really equate imo. Obviously this discussion is lighthearted as we're just debating made up characters, so I'm not taking this seriously as it all just boils down to Selebus. However, I think the issue is not that girls wouldn't do this, but that she goes from 0 to 100 out of nowhere. This makes sense inside the resets, but not really in real life. While certainly possible to hit on a teacher for personal gain, to straight up flash him while having no experience whatsoever in sexual matters is uncanny. To go from that to sexual assault and blackmail is even more so.

Aside from that, and giving my two cents: I agree that Futaba is one of the most realistic ones, but rather than Kirin, I'd add Otoha to the mix.

In fact, for all my distaste of her, she behaves exactly like a common teenager. In what world wouldn't she develop a crush on Niki and "shoot her shot", as the youngsters say, given the chance? Rin, for all I love her, puts herself time and time again in a position to be taken advantage of, and that's what Otoha does. As, sadly, a lot would in her situation. "A girl is throwing herself at me, while the one I want doesn't even see me, and I can use this person to get some experience to maybe have a better shot at Niki? Count me in". I wasn't always a mature old goth chick, and I don't know if in Otoha's position (and mainly age) I'd have acted differently. Well, I never cheated on a partner, so probably not that, but for all the rest, I don't know. So yeah, I think she's very realistic.

Jesus, my memory fail me. Tell me, since I'm too lazy to launch the game on my side, did Noriko make fun of her about being fucked before her first kiss?
Or I just swap thing?

Haven't reached that point in the replay, I'll report back.

 

[AzureVolt]

I knew like 5 girls that'd flirt with Teachers, Drug Dealers, and Police, to get what they wanted, growing up. They'd also typically have boyfriends on top of that.

I know for sure, one was pregnant (I mean, the belly was an obvious give away). Can't tell you if the Teacher was the daddy, though.

I'm also not the social type even if people tended to group up around me. That's just from casual observation. (Albeit, I did tend to be around the "bad kids" and boy would the girls in LiL be different if Men and Drugs weren't so suspiciously absent in this game for the most part.)

DeSkel living in Kumon-mi with the rest of the gang, tanking those resets damn.

Anyway, I definitely don't see Kirin as anything special in any way, shape, or form.

I'd think most girls in her position would do similar. She really just wants attention, and it's not like Sensei was a random person. She already had a good idea that he was a pervert (and one at an all girls school), and Ayane was someone she's had a petty grudge, and a crush on, for likely years, then the opportunity presented itself. If that opportunity never did, then they're still friends.

Hence why optionally, Kirin and Ayane are still friends. At least, until next update, lmao.

Anyways, I understand that Kirin displays traits of a normal teenage girl but most teenage girls, don't quote me on this since I never been one, try to deal with their desires in more of a method that fits their environment, in which case kirin doesn't fit any of those categories, she's written to be a female pervert to contrast her vanilla sister; if maybe there was more backstory on their family, there would be a better foundation for this discussion, but as of right now, if we're talking about realistic teenagers with this game, I believe it could be Futaba, and Otoha although I dread having to admit it.

 

[AzureVolt]

Spoiler: 0.46 Preview

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Okay, maybe I'm just focusing on the wrong thing and also slightly dumb and tired, but lol who's the person on the covers of the book, posing a bit too much man

 

[DeSkel15]

That doesn't really equate imo. Obviously this discussion is lighthearted as we're just debating made up characters, so I'm not taking this seriously as it all just boils down to Selebus. However, I think the issue is not that girls wouldn't do this, but that she goes from 0 to 100 out of nowhere. This makes sense inside the resets, but not really in real life. While certainly possible to hit on a teacher for personal gain, to straight up flash him while having no experience whatsoever in sexual matters is uncanny. To go from that to sexual assault and blackmail is even more so.

Aside from that, and giving my two cents: I agree that Futaba is one of the most realistic ones, but rather than Kirin, I'd add Otoha to the mix.

In fact, for all my distaste of her, she behaves exactly like a common teenager. In what world wouldn't she develop a crush on Niki and "shoot her shot", as the youngsters say, given the chance? Rin, for all I love her, puts herself time and time again in a position to be taken advantage of, and that's what Otoha does. As, sadly, a lot would in her situation. "A girl is throwing herself at me, while the one I want doesn't even see me, and I can use this person to get some experience to maybe have a better shot at Niki? Count me in". I wasn't always a mature old goth chick, and I don't know if in Otoha's position (and mainly age) I'd have acted differently. Well, I never cheated on a partner, so probably not that, but for all the rest, I don't know. So yeah, I think she's very realistic.

Otoha has a completely ordinary home, is treated like a prince and crushed on by mostly everyone, is loved by virtually everyone (until the Rin stuff), and has virtually the most famous Idol giving her vocal lessons. Basically nothing has gone wrong for her, her entire life.

She's like a Mary Sue self insert by a teenage girl. I wouldn't be that surprised if she showed up with a vampire boyfriend from canada, then had to save prom from the rich girls or something.

Kirin seems like just a typical girl with a sister that makes her feel inferior, to me. I think you're underestimating just how irrational humans can be when they aren't happy with their lives, and want to be "enough" for someone.

I'd also consider Chika, Rin, and Yumi more realistic than Otoha, tbh. Chika is basically just my mother, except more stable lol.

Edit: let's also not forget that Otoha is basically a prodigy, that even the top Idol around sees potential in.

Edit 2: Actually Yumi is kind of fairy tale-ish as well. Even ignoring the Yakuza Princess stuff, the fact she's actually not given in to prostitution or drugs, is admirable as fuck. Basically every Yumi (male and female) I've known has, well, made Yuki look good.

 

[AzureVolt]

Otoha has a completely ordinary home, is treated like a prince and crushed on by mostly everyone, is loved by virtually everyone (until the Rin stuff), and has virtually the most famous Idol giving her vocal lessons. Basically nothing has gone wrong for her, her entire life.

She's like a Mary Sue self insert by a teenage girl. I wouldn't be that surprised if she showed up with a vampire boyfriend from canada, then had to save prom from the rich girls or something.

Kirin seems like just a typical girl with a sister that makes her feel inferior, to me. I think you're underestimating just how irrational humans can be when they aren't happy with their lives, and want to be "enough" for someone.

I'd also consider Chika, Rin, and Yumi more realistic than Otoha, tbh. Chika is basically just my mother, except more stable lol.

Edit: let's also not forget that Otoha is basically a prodigy, that even the top Idol around sees potential in.

A prodigy? The top idol see potential in them and trains them personally? Crushed on by mostly everyone, and was loved by virtually everyone?

Everyone, that's not Otoha.

Spoiler: ?!

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[shmurfer]

Were hangout events always this advanced...? Made a temporary detour, don't mind me. Also discovered the headpat feature... This is a dangerous tool, I should not be allowed to have this.
Well, I just unlocked Makoto's profile pajamas... So that happened. What a tedious process.
Headpatting Sara was certainly something... holy fuck.

They are, though weird spoiler Makoto does not have invite over sex to this day.

And yeah, 500 headpats per girl eventually if you want to 100% the game. (Though 100% probably has to have a discussion about buying the 'DLC's so probably best not to think about.

Beach event has started, if that wasn't obvious.

I don't know how you managed it but you got the Halloween event before the beach? That's weird. There's a bunch of discussions that I feel happen in response to what happens at the beach, like Yumi being a bitch at the beach, getting told off by Rin, and then still thinking over it at Halloween where she was more subdued. Makoto getting fingered at the beach and fucked at Halloween (I'm assuming here, maybe the game does handle it nicely). Then again you're on autovn so that author thought it made more sense or something? Still seems weird.

 

[Moonflare]

DeSkel15 I think it was you that talked about the cat during that one Karin event and how it had no reason being there if it was supernatural? Maybe it was aramaug, well, regardless, here's a possible explanation:

Spoiler: Forty degrees below zero

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Well, that may be a callback to Sekai being his sister? And that instead of protecting him, like Karin is trying to do here, she instead molested him.

Could also be more general towards the feeling of Nozomu also being his big brother and overall piece of shit, but the Sekai thing is more interesting since, well...

Spoiler: A house near a lake

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Anyway, not that big of a discovery. But I remember this being the one scene where there really was no rhyme or reason to why the cat was there, and maybe this could fit.

 

[FireCazador]

Spoiler: 0.46 Preview

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Tsukasa asked a weird question and Chinami knows the answer (Chinami looks concerned so we can expect something interesting.Welcome everyone to wizard train, next stop Tsukasa Tsukioka, get ready to the worst outcome. Or the best if you like the things on fire.)

Day 10 character count 7042

Spoiler: Day 161-206, some reactions, thoughts and questions

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Well if my memory doesnt fail me there are a few scenes that can trigger if you have certain values at the beach trip. So if you didnt had the points or didnt see them through URM:
IIRC this beach were Kirin traumatize Ayane so after this if you have enough lust with Futaba, Sensei persuade her to flash her boobs. And the other missable scene (that i think its hard to miss but at the same time i dont remember if you can really miss it xd) its the handjob from Kirin. (but again i dont remember if you can miss it by lust or it happens anyways and ask you to choose)

 

[cbita18]

I lost my game with everything done from the previous version, could someone post theirs ?

 

[shmurfer]

Tsukasa asked a weird question and Chinami knows the answer (Chinami looks concerned so we can expect something interesting.Welcome everyone to wizard train, next stop Tsukasa Tsukioka, get ready to the worst outcome. Or the best if you like the things on fire.)


Well if my memory doesnt fail me there are a few scenes that can trigger if you have certain values at the beach trip. So if you didnt had the points or didnt see them through URM:
IIRC this beach were Kirin traumatize Ayane so after this if you have enough lust with Futaba, Sensei persuade her to flash her boobs. And the other missable scene (that i think its hard to miss but at the same time i dont remember if you can really miss it xd) its the handjob from Kirin. (but again i dont remember if you can miss it by lust or it happens anyways and ask you to choose)

iirc it's futaba lust, ayane lust and ami lust being less than 10 meaning you lose some h scenes. Kirin you can refuse her handjob and the game will remember her being angry about it.

 

[shmurfer]

So I've just reached There is Nothing, and when it started telling me why not become a god, I started hearing a bird tweeting. I thought it might have been some sort of clue so I doublechecked the script and didn't find anything. I took off my headphones and could still hear the bird and I just about shat myself.

That bird almost isekaied me into the game.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

I knew like 5 girls that'd flirt with Teachers, Drug Dealers, and Police, to get what they wanted, growing up. They'd also typically have boyfriends on top of that.

They are not normal then. lmao. The fact you know a lot of them doesn't mean it is normal.

Edit 2: Actually Yumi is kind of fairy tale-ish as well. Even ignoring the Yakuza Princess stuff, the fact she's actually not given in to prostitution or drugs, is admirable as fuck. Basically every Yumi (male and female) I've known has, well, made Yuki look good.

Again, I don't know in what kind of ghetto you live, but it is not normal, lmao. You're just projecting your experience.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Sana, Sara, Makoto, Maki, Yumi, Yuki... The list of mothers with similar names keeps on growing.

Then remember the fact that each character's first and last name starts with the same letter.

Just realized but there are some similarities to Chika and Rin's hairstyles. Probably not a coincidence.

Not a coincidence.

Nothing exciting to be reported down here today. Or I can't be bothered. Honestly, I might scrap this section, or make it more generic.

Noooo, keep doing that. It's curious to me and others to see how your opinion about girls changes every day.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

I knew like 5 girls that'd flirt with Teachers, Drug Dealers, and Police, to get what they wanted, growing up. They'd also typically have boyfriends on top of that.

I know for sure, one was pregnant (I mean, the belly was an obvious give away). Can't tell you if the Teacher was the daddy, though.

I'm also not the social type even if people tended to group up around me. That's just from casual observation. (Albeit, I did tend to be around the "bad kids" and boy would the girls in LiL be different if Men and Drugs weren't so suspiciously absent in this game for the most part.)

Anyway, I definitely don't see Kirin as anything special in any way, shape, or form.

I'd think most girls in her position would do similar. She really just wants attention, and it's not like Sensei was a random person. She already had a good idea that he was a pervert (and one at an all girls school), and Ayane was someone she's had a petty grudge, and a crush on, for likely years, then the opportunity presented itself. If that opportunity never did, then they're still friends.

Hence why optionally, Kirin and Ayane are still friends. At least, until next update, lmao.

People who think teenagers aren't capable of the most vile things have simply forgotten their younger years or were oblivious to their surroundings.

In my eyes the only difference between a teenager and an adult is the fact that you still haven't got the time to realize that the bad things you're doing are bad, hence you should be forgiven for most of your actions.

Teenagers are just as, if not more evil than adults in my opinion, and most of them are more mentally conscious and aware of what they're doing than we give them credit for. I speak for personal experience that growing up usually mellows you down as you become more understanding.

Kirin is in fact, a quite common type of girl - teenage girls are one of the most vile types of people there can be, SPECIALLY if they find a supporting group where they form gangs and make the lives of other girls miserable. Our Kirin simply didn't happen to find more like-minded girls, otherwise she would've been part of a bully gang. Despite this, I believe that she's not necessarily a bad person, she simply didn't have the time to understand what she's doing. Some people do bad things and at some point in their lives it hits them that it's wrong and grow up, those who are genuinely evil will remain so if they havent changed by the time they're 25-30ish.


These two girls for example, showcase the bully persona but different reasons for doing it;

Exhibit A. Yumi - She has always had a good heart, despite seemingly "enjoying" bullying Futaba. I see it more as a defense mechanism

Exhibit B. Kirin - Honestly I lean towards the fact that she is just an evil person by heart, but we don't know (it's Selebus choice) but she should be given a chance. There are glimpses of her genuinely caring for other people and she's just an immature brat (who needs correction)

 

[DeSkel15]

They are not normal then. lmao. The fact you know a lot of them doesn't mean it is normal.

Again, I don't know in what kind of ghetto you live, but it is not normal, lmao. You're just projecting your experience.

Not "projecting", I'm speaking from experience. You're the one projecting.

Also, I'm talking about girls from this game and the most realistic of them from my point of view, so of course I'd be referring to real girls I've known as examples. I'm not saying every girl is like this or that it's "normal", I'm not arrogant enough to claim what is normal like it's some kind of undisputed fact.

I also wouldn't really call 5 girls, a lot, tbh. Those just came to mind since I know they're still around, and at least one is trying to turn her life around for her kid.

If you've had experience with girls like Yumi who were born from rape, raised around drugs and violence, ran away from home, robbed people and stores, and still managed to not sell herself or give in to drugs at any point in her life, then holy shit, good for them. Otherwise, you're definitely just being optimistic here.

I mean, you do realize that Yumi and Chika (And Tsuneyo), live(d) in a "ghetto" right? It's called The Old District and it's literally made the likes of Touka cry after just finding out it exists:

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Not everyone is privileged or born lucky.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Not "projecting", I'm speaking from experience. You're the one projecting.

Also, I'm talking about girls from this game and the most realistic of them from my point of view, so of course I'd be referring to real girls I've known as examples. I'm not saying every girl is like this or that it's "normal", I'm not arrogant enough to claim what is normal like it's some kind of undisputed fact.

I also wouldn't really call 5 girls, a lot, tbh. Those just came to mind since I know they're still around, and at least one is trying to turn her life around for her kid.

If you've had experience with girls like Yumi who were born from rape, raised around drugs and violence, ran away from home, robbed people and stores, and still managed to not sell herself or give in to drugs at any point in her life, then holy shit, good for them. Otherwise, you're definitely just being optimistic here.

I mean, you do realize that Yumi and Chika (And Tsuneyo), live(d) in a "ghetto" right? It's called The Old District and it's literally made the likes of Touka cry after just finding out it exists:

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Not everyone is privileged or born lucky.

I don't want to start a huge argument or something. And I don't want to read your non-theories stuff.
But let me say, whatever you just said is still projecting, no matter what you're calling it. Also I dunno where I am projecting stuff, but if you want to call me privileged or lucky, then go ahead, it sounds good.

 

[VoidExile]

They are, though weird spoiler Makoto does not have invite over sex to this day.

DUDE! That's a horrible spoiler warning! 0 effort what so ever.

I don't know how you managed it but you got the Halloween event before the beach? That's weird. There's a bunch of discussions that I feel happen in response to what happens at the beach, like Yumi being a bitch at the beach, getting told off by Rin, and then still thinking over it at Halloween where she was more subdued. Makoto getting fingered at the beach and fucked at Halloween (I'm assuming here, maybe the game does handle it nicely). Then again you're on autovn so that author thought it made more sense or something? Still seems weird.

Not even this is spoilered correctly. I haven't even done the halloween thing yet and didn't need that info. I'm extremely fucking disappointed by you if anything. I have literally told you where I am in progression and STILL you end up spoilering something that happens in the future

 

[shmurfer]

DUDE! That's a horrible spoiler warning! 0 effort what so ever.

I'm sorry, I misinterpreted the hell out of this line, at least I think at this point. I thought I saw more halloween spoilers first.

Oh my god, that's fucking gold! The one whose least dressed turns out to be Maya!

[edit] Yeah, that line, then the line about "now I see the beach episode" after it


And then built upon that misinterpretation.

As for the lazy spoiler warning it wasn't really a warning. It was just going to be a factual statement about something that you had experienced at that point. Like you've seen Ayane have sex at this point, but what if she didn't have invite over sex despite being one of the first girls to have sex in the game.

 

[VoidExile]

Then remember the fact that each character's first and last name starts with the same letter.


Not a coincidence.


Noooo, keep doing that. It's curious to me and others to see how your opinion about girls changes every day.

Oh I didn't mean scrap the tierlist, I meant scrap the attempted description. Sure, people might have to guess what I think about the characters but I pretty much insert that stuff in the reaction spoiler above.