Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[hopeisdead6969]

well......do you think the main character of this game is more of a person with kind and correct values, or someone whose thoughts are heavily influenced by desire? What is their sense of morality like? I hope MC won’t ignore the player’s choices and hurt other female characters (hopefully)

Again, I don't want to spoil, so I'll say this:

LiL is a game about a seriously fucked up person trying to deal with incomprehensible trauma, and his successes and failures. I can't tell you how to judge him or any other character in the game, but that's the point. It asks questions. It asks questions that are hard and uncomfortable and fucked up. But that's the point, in many ways.

Is sensei a good person: objectively, no, he is not. Is he trying to get better and find better morals? Probably? I mean, that's part of the question the game asks. It isn't a light game in any way, and it isn't for anyone that isn't ready to tackle questions that are generally too divisive for most media.

But that is part of the beauty of LiL. Its asking questions that are usually hidden and censored and watered down. And its messy and uncomfortable and some scenes will make you grimace at having to make a choice! And if that isn't your jam, more power to you! But if you want to confront situations that will legitimately make even the most calloused person take pause, then proceed forward. But never feel bad for saying "This is my limit, I'm done with this." either.

EDIT:

I was a bit shocked earlier, but I think it’s time to explore it seriously. So, DRM is not something that necessarily has to be downloaded and used, right? Do those extra contents affect the main storyline of the game in any way?

Care Packages are basically non-cannon extras, and if you don't install them into your LiL folder, they won't fuck up anything. If you go through all the content in the base game, and want a few extra tidbits, just download them and open them in a separate folder and check out the contents.

 

[canaan0128]

Again, I don't want to spoil, so I'll say this:

LiL is a game about a seriously fucked up person trying to deal with incomprehensible trauma, and his successes and failures. I can't tell you how to judge him or any other character in the game, but that's the point. It asks questions. It asks questions that are hard and uncomfortable and fucked up. But that's the point, in many ways.

Is sensei a good person: objectively, no, he is not. Is he trying to get better and find better morals? Probably? I mean, that's part of the question the game asks. It isn't a light game in any way, and it isn't for anyone that isn't ready to tackle questions that are generally too divisive for most media.

But that is part of the beauty of LiL. Its asking questions that are usually hidden and censored and watered down. And its messy and uncomfortable and some scenes will make you grimace at having to make a choice! And if that isn't your jam, more power to you! But if you want to confront situations that will legitimately make even the most calloused person take pause, then proceed forward. But never feel bad for saying "This is my limit, I'm done with this." either.

EDIT:

Care Packages are basically non-cannon extras, and if you don't install them into your LiL folder, they won't fuck up anything. If you go through all the content in the base game, and want a few extra tidbits, just download them and open them in a separate folder and check out the contents.

Once again, thanks very much for introducing the game. I will see and continue to play with all my curiosity. If I manage to immerse myself in it, we will meet again! lucky to have discovered such a special game, and I’m sure I will gain the results I’m looking for.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Once again, thanks very much for introducing the game. I will see and continue to play with all my curiosity. If I manage to immerse myself in it, we will meet again! lucky to have discovered such a special game, and I’m sure I will gain the results I’m looking for.

Good luck on your journey. If it clicks, awesome. If not, then good hunting for the next game that can bring you some measure of good times. I'm sorry I couldn't provide more useful feedback, but spoiling this game would be a disservice, so I hope that my input was at least helpful in some regard.

 

[flacc2pit]

well......do you think the main character of this game is more of a person with kind and correct values, or someone whose thoughts are heavily influenced by desire? What is their sense of morality like? I hope MC won’t ignore the player’s choices and hurt other female characters (hopefully)

One of the strengths of this game is how it leverages the fact that the reader is separate from the MC. To answer this question rigorously we'd have to agree on definitions for identity and agency, and how those two relate with fiction and the telling of narrative. He's definitely not a good person, but whether or not that has and will always be is a point of conention as we await future chapters. If you chose to continue to play this game, be mindful of the speaker of a given textbox. The narration often alludes to having a specific speaker, but the game won't flat out tell who is talking, or to whom the narration is directed towards.
You have choices that lock you out of scenes, but this game is ultimately a linear experience; the missed paths don't change the destination.

 

[canaan0128]

One of the strengths of this game is how it leverages the fact that the reader is separate from the MC. To answer this question rigorously we'd have to agree on definitions for identity and agency, and how those two relate with fiction and the telling of narrative. He's definitely not a good person, but whether or not that has and will always be is a point of conention as we await future chapters. If you chose to continue to play this game, be mindful of the speaker of a given textbox. The narration often alludes to having a specific speaker, but the game won't flat out tell who is talking, or to whom the narration is directed towards.
You have choices that lock you out of scenes/paths, but this game is ultimately a linear experience; the missed paths don't change the destination.

So this game isn’t about allowing players to fully play as the main character, right? The narration isn’t only directed at the main character but also communicates with the player? Considering the large amount of text in this game, if it’s one with frequent branching paths, it might indeed be difficult to play. Having a clear main storyline is definitely a good thing for me.

 

[flacc2pit]

So this game isn’t about allowing players to fully play as the main character, right? The narration isn’t only directed at the main character but also communicates with the player? Considering the large amount of text in this game, if it’s one with frequent branching paths, it might indeed be difficult to play. Having a clear main storyline is definitely a good thing for me.

Not quite. There are no branching paths in the way vns use that term. The player can influence certain choices, which prevent some events from being viewed, but these do not cause a split / branch in paths. The fandom likes to say there are only two paths, "Green path" which means seeing all events, and "Red Path" which means missing a couple here and there.

Even so, I would struggle to describe this game's storyline as "clear". The complexity of the story is due to how it's written and the content within, not any player choices. You can't make MC any more of a bad person than he already is, but you can't make him a good boy either.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

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I feel attacked.

 

[shmurfer]

well......do you think the main character of this game is more of a person with kind and correct values, or someone whose thoughts are heavily influenced by desire? What is their sense of morality like? I hope MC won’t ignore the player’s choices and hurt other female characters (hopefully)

At the start of the game, he wakes up in a teacher's body and decides he wants to fuck all 10 teenage students in his class. He tries to be a good person about it, but that is a disgusting goal. The results of this goal and his attitude about it is compelling to start with, and eventually drama happens and it becomes enthralling to read.

Sensei doesn't ignore you too much when he gives you a choice, but he rarely gives you a choice. You will get frustrated at him being stupid, but he's only in his situation in the first place because he's that stupid.

Did he violate the girl out of his own will?

Because you've said it's important for you to know I would say No, something did affect his will. Sensei is not innocent though. The game puts a similar choice in your hands later on in the game.

The developer understands there's a line of what's socially acceptable and what's not at the start of the game, and pushes that line further back the longer the story is told.

Does this game really have overly complex branching paths that require constant saving? Is there a chance that a single wrong choice could lead to an irreversible bad ending?

You should use the guide mod, and maybe save a decent amount. I basically save whenever I think a important choice is happening that the hint mod hasn't told me results in missing events. If you don't make backups like this, you can lose time every now and then. If you do lose progress like this and the save isn't that old, you can just turn on text skip and get back decently quickly.

There is no ending yet, but certain choices will make you miss events and you can't get them back, you'd have to load an old save. We call seeing all the events the green path, we've been told that there will be always a way to see every event, and missing any events is called red path.

If you stay on the green path, you will make bad and worse choices. But there are hints during the game that people have to be broken before they can be made better than ever. Some red choices will make you feel good in the short term, but you can notice some weird things in the dialogue afterward. We don't know for sure if people will get punished for missing events, but the developer has made similar choices before and punished you for them every time so there's a pattern to learn from.The update that came out two weeks ago had a lot of events that only show up if you were still on the green path. Missing those bonus events turns the update into a boring one so I think it's still important.

I think you'll like the game long enough to decide whether you want to keep playing it. I told you about the scene with the shota and you didn't immediately run away, so I think you can figure out whether the game gets too dark for you or not, and that your time wasn't completely wasted if you do make that choice.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

I mean, we have the "Breed Your Niece" minigame in the first hour of gameplay, so I think that should be a pretty big filtering tool for prospective players right there, honestly.

 

[canaan0128]

At the start of the game, he wakes up in a teacher's body and decides he wants to fuck all 10 teenage students in his class. He tries to be a good person about it, but that is a disgusting goal. The results of this goal and his attitude about it is compelling to start with, and eventually drama happens and it becomes enthralling to read.

Sensei doesn't ignore you too much when he gives you a choice, but he rarely gives you a choice. You will get frustrated at him being stupid, but he's only in his situation in the first place because he's that stupid.



Because you've said it's important for you to know I would say No, something did affect his will. Sensei is not innocent though. The game puts a similar choice in your hands later on in the game.

The developer understands there's a line of what's socially acceptable and what's not at the start of the game, and pushes that line further back the longer the story is told.



You should use the guide mod, and maybe save a decent amount. I basically save whenever I think a important choice is happening that the hint mod hasn't told me results in missing events. If you don't make backups like this, you can lose time every now and then. If you do lose progress like this and the save isn't that old, you can just turn on text skip and get back decently quickly.

There is no ending yet, but certain choices will make you miss events and you can't get them back, you'd have to load an old save. We call seeing all the events the green path, we've been told that there will be always a way to see every event, and missing any events is called red path.

If you stay on the green path, you will make bad and worse choices. But there are hints during the game that people have to be broken before they can be made better than ever. Some red choices will make you feel good in the short term, but you can notice some weird things in the dialogue afterward. We don't know for sure if people will get punished for missing events, but the developer has made similar choices before and punished you for them every time so there's a pattern to learn from.The update that came out two weeks ago had a lot of events that only show up if you were still on the green path. Missing those bonus events turns the update into a boring one so I think it's still important.

I think you'll like the game long enough to decide whether you want to keep playing it. I told you about the scene with the shota and you didn't immediately run away, so I think you can figure out whether the game gets too dark for you or not, and that your time wasn't completely wasted if you do make that choice.

I see, it’s completely like, 'Oh! Look at me, I’m going to be a good person, I’m going to be a good teacher! Hey, my girls, do you want to try your teacher’s big lollipop? All-natural, no additives,' or something like that, right? But considering that the novel games I’ve been playing recently all have similarly.....hmmm.....issues, where the MC dies (or maybe doesn’t, but still ends up in a new world), then wakes up in a strange body, again that 'twisted world,'game the MC might even end up F**k with his( original owner of the body) mother, brother(femboy), big sister and classmates.

Come to think of it, most MC in this type of game generally seem to have serious problem of rather low morals, dating multiple girls with no sense of guilt—even if some of it is player choices... But I heard from what you’ve mentioned, the focus of this game isn’t H content. seems I can choose to skip some scenes I’m not too fond of. (Side note: Ami is just so cute. Just so cute. Sooooo cute!）

 

[canaan0128]

I mean, we have the "Breed Your Niece" minigame in the first hour of gameplay, so I think that should be a pretty big filtering tool for prospective players right there, honestly.

Imean,after talking with you guys, I feel like Ima now playing Doki Doki Literature Club. dude everything feels so familiar.