Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[Dragon59]

I agree. Above the "standard" weight or whatever that might be called, maybe, but fat? No.

And adding a bit to the discussion below, while I agree that health is an important issue: First I don't see futaba being unhealthy. And second so long as you're healthy enough (and yes, enough. Nobody is perfectly healthy and living your everyday thinking about what's healthy and what's not is a pain so screw it) and comfortable with yourself I don't see the problem.

Agreed.
I think Futaba's story is gonna be a lot more about improving her self-image and her self-confidence, over actually losing weight to "improve herself". The only thing really "unhealthy" about her at this point is her attitude towards herself.

I think a lot of my reaction this week has been about Futaba's story after the beach vacation, trying to take unhealthy steps to change her body. I made me feel so much compassion and empathy for this fictional character. I didn't want anyone putting her down!

It's all up to Selebus how that gets handled.

The question is, how much can we trust a developer who has a name that sounds like that of a demon? Perhaps the demon of class subject outlines...

 

[alex2011]

She isn't really above average either. She's got big boobs and a large frame which apparently on the internet makes her a whale. You can only really describe her as big in comparison to her classmates. Her poor health, so far as we know, is due to her self-image causing her to starve herself so kinda the opposite of being caused by excess weight.

The whole "Yumi's giving her tough love" argument is garbage because Futaba isn't even really overweight. Yumi's just being a bully. Bullies bully to assert control because they have very little (whether at home or over themselves). I still enjoy Yumi as a character but she's absolutely being a bitch then when the others say "hey stop being a bitch" she can tell herself nobody likes her anyway so she's right not to make an effort.

Most people on the internet have zero in depth knowledge of the way weight and fat works in terms of human biology, making her a "whale" to them on appearance alone. I would not consider this to be the case, but it will definitely prove and already has proven to be a social and mental health threat to her through her own reactions to Yumi as all she does is cower instead of standing up to Yumi, which has to be mentally stressful.

The whole 'tough love' argument isn't garbage because, again, it is highly unlikely Yumi has the specialized knowledge, even a basic level of it, to understand the difference between what she calls fat and what actually would be fat. I would disagree with Futaba not being overweight, even slightly overweight to the point where she is not in danger from it is still overweight just like my being a bit underweight without being in danger from being underweight is still underweight.

If Yumi was just being a bully for the sake of bullying, we would be seeing much worse over time, or so my own personal experience as the victim of bullying would suggest. She would eventually get bored of the same old response and seek a stronger response to her actions, which inherently requires stronger actions as the victim starts to fall into a routine response or becomes desensitized by the repeated abuse outright. Once the victim becomes desensitized to the same old treatment, that treatment will no longer work and the bully would lose control entirely.

She is absolutely being a bitch, though, I'll give you that one, but she doesn't know any way other than the 'might is right' way of the Yakuza she grew up with.

I think a lot of my reaction this week has been about Futaba's story after the beach vacation, trying to take unhealthy steps to change her body. I made me feel so much compassion and empathy for this fictional character. I didn't want anyone putting her down!

The question is, how much can we trust a developer who has a name that sounds like that of a demon? Perhaps the demon of class subject outlines...

We better watch out, he could throw us for a loop at any moment. I like his work and trust him in general to get the project done, but I can't exactly say I trust him as far as what happens in the game's events, wouldn't want to trust him and suddenly find Rin having another breakdown that she ultimately doesn't recover from.

 

[Dragon59]

She isn't really above average either. She's got big boobs and a large frame which apparently on the internet makes her a whale. You can only really describe her as big in comparison to her classmates. Her poor health, so far as we know, is due to her self-image causing her to starve herself so kinda the opposite of being caused by excess weight.

The whole "Yumi's giving her tough love" argument is garbage because Futaba isn't even really overweight. Yumi's just being a bully. Bullies bully to assert control because they have very little (whether at home or over themselves). I still enjoy Yumi as a character but she's absolutely being a bitch then when the others say "hey stop being a bitch" she can tell herself nobody likes her anyway so she's right not to make an effort.

I expect the purpose of Yumi is to learn to trust and not push people away as a form of protection.

Most people on the internet have zero in depth knowledge of the way weight and fat works in terms of human biology, making her a "whale" to them on appearance alone. I would not consider this to be the case, but it will definitely prove and already has proven to be a social and mental health threat to her through her own reactions to Yumi as all she does is cower instead of standing up to Yumi, which has to be mentally stressful.

I'm reminded of how children who grow up in a naturist environment, seeing different body types without judgement, tend to have a healthier attitude regarding body image and acceptance. They are also less vulnerable to predation and are less likely to have unplanned teen pregnancies'. With the media, we have, for generations, been taught that only certain body types are "acceptable," only people with certain body types should be seen unclothed. Much like how people who watch porn consider an average penis to be small.

We better watch out, he could throw us for a loop at any moment. I like his work and trust him in general to get the project done, but I can't exactly say I trust him as far as what happens in the game's events, wouldn't want to trust him and suddenly find Rin having another breakdown that she ultimately doesn't recover from.

We must not forget that this game is considered a horror game.

 

[Dragon59]

I'm not one of those guys asking Selebus to change things on my account, but I realize I'm definitely not into the whole "deflowering a virgin" fetish.

Fortunately, there is so much more to keep me here.

 

[alex2011]

I expect the purpose of Yumi is to learn to trust and not push people away as a form of protection.

I'm reminded of how children who grow up in a naturist environment, seeing different body types without judgement, tend to have a healthier attitude regarding body image and acceptance. They are also less vulnerable to predation and are less likely to have unplanned teen pregnancies'. With the media, we have, for generations, been taught that only certain body types are "acceptable," only people with certain body types should be seen unclothed. Much like how people who watch porn consider an average penis to be small.

We must not forget that this game is considered a horror game.

I suspect that about Yumi as well. Environments like the Yakuza teach the opposite, be as strong as you can be and push anyone you don't already trust, which should be basically not even your closest friends, away. She seems to have backed off a bit before the story began through the lack of pushing Chika away, so there is hope in that respect.

The thing with media and porn especially is they tend to overdo things. All things in moderation are okay, but doing them too much to either side is a bad thing. The media is pushing the opposite bad side of things and not moderation as the ideal, much like the fashion industry does.

Yes, this is a horror game, Denpa genre specifically. Selebus could pull anything on us at any time, which is why my guard is never down around this game. I am literally expecting something at any and every given moment I play because not only could he put anything anywhere, but I have a nasty habit of just stumbling right into things without even realizing I unlocked them. This has gotten me through a perfect run so far, but one of these days it's going to lead me right into a 'happy' scene or worse that I was not yet prepared to handle.

I'm not one of those guys asking Selebus to change things on my account, but I realize I'm definitely not into the whole "deflowering a virgin" fetish.

Fortunately, there is so much more to keep me here.

I would say the opposite on that first part, I'm actually really into that, but that's something that is extremely hard to do right when using graphics that are almost completely prearranged. Selebus would be lucky he chose Koikatsu if he ever decided to go with a deflowering scene because Koikatsu can do it, but not every game with an attached graphics maker like Koikatsu's CharaStudio is capable of it. Then there's the issue of realism, which Selebus made part of the game to an extent in how he wrote the characters, so he might want to do it that way with the scene as well, but not all virgins show any visible sign, meaning there would have to be a dialogue cue that it happened like the girl mentioning it. It gets to be a real pain to set up once you take all that into account, so I would typically stay clear of scenes like that in a game like this from a developer standpoint.

You're right on the second, there is way more to this game than any one fetish type, sometimes causing a clash because people reefuse to play with a certain fetish, but not often and it is more likely to bring more people into the game than anything. Then there's the beautiful writing, which brings those that actually take the time to play the game for a while closer to the characters as if they were real people. We laugh, we cry, we get pissed off all because of the things that happen to them. I'll tell you now, I was about two seconds from punching player Sensei for that one Miku part because it made me so angry that he tried to pressure her into rushing things and I was extremely worried I would never see Rin again after "Delirium" because of the state she was in. Futaba has me similarly worried that she'll snap one of these days before she can get some backbone because Yumi is obviously pressuring her way too much no matter her intentions.

 

[niconob92]

I think a lot of my reaction this week has been about Futaba's story after the beach vacation, trying to take unhealthy steps to change her body. I made me feel so much compassion and empathy for this fictional character. I didn't want anyone putting her down!

I haven't reached this point in the story yet but I suspect it might have the same effect on me. I have to say it's the first time I paid so much attention to the story of a game in a long time, porn game or otherwise lol.

She isn't really above average either. She's got big boobs and a large frame which apparently on the internet makes her a whale. You can only really describe her as big in comparison to her classmates. Her poor health, so far as we know, is due to her self-image causing her to starve herself so kinda the opposite of being caused by excess weight.

The whole "Yumi's giving her tough love" argument is garbage because Futaba isn't even really overweight. Yumi's just being a bully. Bullies bully to assert control because they have very little (whether at home or over themselves). I still enjoy Yumi as a character but she's absolutely being a bitch then when the others say "hey stop being a bitch" she can tell herself nobody likes her anyway so she's right not to make an effort.

That's why I put standard between quotation marks. I was refering to what society sees as the standard of beauty, but I might have done a poor job reflecting that

 

[Marcozheng]

Well, after 10 days of play, I finally have my first blocked scene, Love Life, Let Go. It's because I didn't do the second happy scene by leaving the dorms and progressed too far with the girls before I finally realized I needed to do that. Now I want to go back and repeat all these days.... Of course, now that I know what I'm doing, it it won't be 534 days to get back to where I am.

EDIT: Actually, I'm going back to the 7th of August (Day 128), when the decision point had not been passed. Affection is no longer 40-60, but oh well. All my other games will have to wait a week longer.

Damn. That means I have to through Nothing Was Missing, Except Me and Delirium.
Wow. Knowing what is ahead, I am feeling anxiety.
A testament to how good this game is.

Disclosure, I have suffered from Clinical Depression most of my life, so I have an extra dose of empathy here.

Well I also have missed this event，and…it's 667 days now…Should I repeat all days too？Does the event will effect on Rin’s story badly？

 

[Dragon59]

Well I also have missed this event，and…it's 667 days now…Should I repeat all days too？Does the event will effect on Rin’s story badly？

Yeah, I think so. In my opinion undermines much of her progress as well as her trust of Sensei as well as her recovery post-confession.

I went back to a save point before the scene that causes the break and I'm now caught up. I'm glad to be on this timeline now. I noticed with dependencies, if you miss a missable scene like that, it can have a bit of a cascade, where you miss another scene, which may cause another missed scene, and so on. Personally, the way I'm approaching the game, I'd recommend going back before schadenfreude and make sure it doesn't trigger until after the events of the beach.

I haven't reached this point in the story yet but I suspect it might have the same effect on me. I have to say it's the first time I paid so much attention to the story of a game in a long time, porn game or otherwise lol.

Little by little, I'm moving my focus to those games where the story does grab me like that. Since I'm also moving away from creepy asshole MCs (who never change), I'm glad Sensei is growing as time goes on. I have trust that he will continue to develop more compassion and caring as time goes on.

 

[Dragon59]

I suspect that about Yumi as well. Environments like the Yakuza teach the opposite, be as strong as you can be and push anyone you don't already trust, which should be basically not even your closest friends, away. She seems to have backed off a bit before the story began through the lack of pushing Chika away, so there is hope in that respect.

'Twas Kawaii (Chinami) that tamed the Beast.

Yes, this is a horror game, Denpa genre specifically. Selebus could pull anything on us at any time, which is why my guard is never down around this game. I am literally expecting something at any and every given moment I play because not only could he put anything anywhere, but I have a nasty habit of just stumbling right into things without even realizing I unlocked them. This has gotten me through a perfect run so far, but one of these days it's going to lead me right into a 'happy' scene or worse that I was not yet prepared to handle.

Is anyone ever prepared to handle a happy scene?
Looking at some of the examples of Denpa, I could just imagine that Sensei suffered a psychotic break and now only thinks he is a new person in his old body, only imagines that the world keep resetting.

I would say the opposite on that first part, I'm actually really into that, but that's something that is extremely hard to do right when using graphics that are almost completely prearranged. Selebus would be lucky he chose Koikatsu if he ever decided to go with a deflowering scene because Koikatsu can do it, but not every game with an attached graphics maker like Koikatsu's CharaStudio is capable of it. Then there's the issue of realism, which Selebus made part of the game to an extent in how he wrote the characters, so he might want to do it that way with the scene as well, but not all virgins show any visible sign, meaning there would have to be a dialogue cue that it happened like the girl mentioning it. It gets to be a real pain to set up once you take all that into account, so I would typically stay clear of scenes like that in a game like this from a developer standpoint.

Part of is definitely suspension of disbelief. Some women never had a hymen to begin with. In nearly all the others, the hymen naturally thins out as they mature such that very few post-pubescent women actually have any structure then to break and bleed--many have no pain with their first intercourse. Also the history of the idea of female virginity and the patriarchal baggage that goes with it.

You're right on the second, there is way more to this game than any one fetish type, sometimes causing a clash because people reefuse to play with a certain fetish, but not often and it is more likely to bring more people into the game than anything. Then there's the beautiful writing, which brings those that actually take the time to play the game for a while closer to the characters as if they were real people. We laugh, we cry, we get pissed off all because of the things that happen to them. I'll tell you now, I was about two seconds from punching player Sensei for that one Miku part because it made me so angry that he tried to pressure her into rushing things and I was extremely worried I would never see Rin again after "Delirium" because of the state she was in. Futaba has me similarly worried that she'll snap one of these days before she can get some backbone because Yumi is obviously pressuring her way too much no matter her intentions.

Yes, Delirium was very very hard to take, and since I had to rewind, I had to go through it twice. Also, the reference to "drowning" after the confession was a bit worrisome. What doesn't kill us may make us stronger, but that means there are some things that will kill us. Given we are talking about Japanese culture, the chances of one of the girls being pushed too far is a worry, especially given the Denpa aspect.

 

[Marcozheng]

Yeah, I think so. In my opinion undermines much of her progress as well as her trust of Sensei as well as her recovery post-confession.

I went back to a save point before the scene that causes the break and I'm now caught up. I'm glad to be on this timeline now. I noticed with dependencies, if you miss a missable scene like that, it can have a bit of a cascade, where you miss another scene, which may cause another missed scene, and so on. Personally, the way I'm approaching the game, I'd recommend going back before schadenfreude and make sure it doesn't trigger until after the events of the beach.

Thx for your replyI also progressed too far with the girls without reading the walkthrough（and my English is poor so I didn't realize I should listen to Rin's words），now a long long journey is waiting for meholy craps I just want to use the cheat code badly

 

[Dragon59]

Thx for your replyI also progressed too far with the girls without reading the walkthrough（and my English is poor so I didn't realize I should listen to Rin's words），now a long long journey is waiting for meholy craps I just want to use the cheat code badly

At least you can skip through a lot of the content you've already seen.

 

[Marcozheng]

At least you can skip through a lot of the content you've already seen.

Yeah I gotta rely on my Ctrl button now and 500+pats for eight girls

 

[alex2011]

'Twas Kawaii (Chinami) that tamed the Beast.

Is anyone ever prepared to handle a happy scene?
Looking at some of the examples of Denpa, I could just imagine that Sensei suffered a psychotic break and now only thinks he is a new person in his old body, only imagines that the world keep resetting.

Part of is definitely suspension of disbelief. Some women never had a hymen to begin with. In nearly all the others, the hymen naturally thins out as they mature such that very few post-pubescent women actually have any structure then to break and bleed--many have no pain with their first intercourse. Also the history of the idea of female virginity and the patriarchal baggage that goes with it.

Yes, Delirium was very very hard to take, and since I had to rewind, I had to go through it twice. Also, the reference to "drowning" after the confession was a bit worrisome. What doesn't kill us may make us stronger, but that means there are some things that will kill us. Given we are talking about Japanese culture, the chances of one of the girls being pushed too far is a worry, especially given the Denpa aspect.

Maybe so, I can kind of picture it now and that image is way too cute, like completely out of character in a good way cute. The kind of cute she would literally kill to hide out of embarrassment.

Yes, you can prepare for the 'happy' scenes, but it isn't easy and you literally have to be on guard at all times. The second your guard drops, you're vulnerable, and a 'happy' scene can happen practically anywhere given their nature. So far, the psychotic break is what I'm rolling with as to the difference between old Sensei and player Sensei, literally the same person, but different personalities brought on by this break.

I've also had to go through "Delirium" twice, not pleasant, though not in the same way as real world displeasure. I just hate seeing Rin suffer and she very obviously was. I'm not sure how much of Japanese culture Selebus is planning to inject into the game, but if he goes as far as their tendency to overwork to the point of either overexertion or suicidal amounts of stress, I could very easily see that playing a role in the Denpa aspect of the game. It could even lead to some of the potential deaths.

 

[Dragon59]

Yes, you can prepare for the 'happy' scenes, but it isn't easy and you literally have to be on guard at all times. The second your guard drops, you're vulnerable, and a 'happy' scene can happen practically anywhere given their nature. So far, the psychotic break is what I'm rolling with as to the difference between old Sensei and player Sensei, literally the same person, but different personalities brought on by this break.

I do jump a little when we get a "happy frame" in the middle of an otherwise mundane scene.
At the very least, Maya seems to imply that he (new Sensei) had actually been there for a number of resets, so something is wrong that he only knows of the ones we've seen. Another scenario is that the MC jumped to his death and the whole game is something created by his brain as it dies.... That would be so cruel.

I've also had to go through "Delirium" twice, not pleasant, though not in the same way as real world displeasure. I just hate seeing Rin suffer and she very obviously was. I'm not sure how much of Japanese culture Selebus is planning to inject into the game, but if he goes as far as their tendency to overwork to the point of either overexertion or suicidal amounts of stress, I could very easily see that playing a role in the Denpa aspect of the game. It could even lead to some of the potential deaths.

All I can say is I hope not.

There are only a few games I know where a number of people really look at all these aspects. A select few that inspire people.

 

[chu4ng]

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[Koid]

I just wanna ask. Can we touch the heroine like touch/feel games?

 

[Koid]

Like 83% VN and 17% Sandbox.
You choose where to go during weekends and after school hours, but the vast majority is just normal ADV visual novel format.

Can we touch the heroine like touch/feel gamss?

 

[Arato23]

Can we touch the heroine like touch/feel gamss?

Not really, it's pretty scripted, like you just select what you want to do with girls when you knock on their dorm room door like just hanging out or sexual acts, blowjob, missionary, handjob, etc... or you can call them over to your house and have similar options, except for one option allows you to pat their head (and if you pat their head 500 times you make them cum from that alone and it unlocks their pajamas as an outfit in their profile)

 

[Dragon59]

Bluejay.
Wow.
Just wow.

 

[alutarox]

Bluejay.
Wow.
Just wow.

I did wonder when you'd get there and how you'd react.

It's certainly a turning point.