Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[Dragon59]

Anime japanse and real japanese are pretty different. They are essentially the same language sure, so you'd understand and probably be understood but you'd be frowned upon to say the least. And about those "forms expected of women", yeah there are several of those such as not being able to use imperative forms, not being able to use certain stuff in casual speech and that. Pretty misogynist, but I believe it's changing for the better over the past decades.

To be honest, my Otaku friend mentioned this to me more than 20 years ago.

In that case specifically, I have no doubt it was to show a lack of skill. This isn't the first time a plain bowl of white rice has been used in media for that purpose as anime tends to exaggerate cultural aspects of Japan and has been known to do this as a way to show off a character that has little to no domestic capabilities, especially female love interests and friends of the main character as they tend to be the ones chosen as the main bearer of such skills. So when one lacks those skills, the anime tends to make a running gag out of it for at least one episode if not multiple or even throughout the entire series.

Thanks for that clarification.

I don't know why, probably because Ayane is portrayed as a rich girl who doesn't normally have to lift a finger to make food because Geoffrey is there, but her lack of skill actually makes some sense. It's not like she has ever mentioned going out of her way to make herself something. She goes to the scullery to talk to Geoffrey sometimes, but that is the extent we know of that she consciously goes somewhere or does something she doesn't have to within the confines of her own home.

The reaction of the three judges says a lot. And she's so proud of being able to make rice, blessherheart.

She's correct, the Japanese we hear in the raw audio of anime and the Japanese spoken in real life are not the same thing. A lot of it is exaggerated in anime, as is almost everything, and their dialogue doesn't take into account slang used today or the many different ways to word things, anime focuses on just one or two ways and you won't hear much slang unless it is being used by a character that is of a stereotypical type that speaks in slang terms. Japanese slang is A LOT more common than just select stereotypical groups, I learned this much from an actual Japanese YouTuber who is an English bilingual speaker of both languages and a very good one at that.

As far as the forms of words more often spoken by women, Watashi for I for example, that is somewhat true, but it is WAY exaggerated to the point where only the most effeminate males in anime will speak it, this is actually more common among males than anime lets on, especially under certain contexts. Watashi IS the feminine conjugation of the word for I, but it is not exclusive to females. It all depends on context, especially the amount of respect warranted in a certain context.

You would understand from a vocabulary standpoint as those are identical unless the anime is using terms that have died out. However, yeah, if you use anime Japanese, prepare to get some odd looks or possibly get laughed at behind your back depending on the person who hears you. As for the forms associated with women specifically, it's definitely been changing as you hear it more often from males than in the past. That YouTuber I mentioned does occasional on the streets interviews in Japanese and the occasional male Watashi comes out, though not as often as Boku. I do still have yet to hear Ore used at all outside of anime as, from what I understand, it is an extremely informal form of the word and shouldn't be used outside the most informal circumstances where the level of respect warranted is low at best, which these interviews are not.

Thank you for that added perspective.

 

[Cerpin]

Basically at home, MAYBE with friends in another non-public setting. I have heard it, but it isn't like it's an everyday use word and I definitely haven't heard it in public except in circumstances that warrant such a response, such as injury or panic. It's really just down to my own experience so far, I'm sure there are people who do it regularly.

You would be horrified by my office, we swear like troopers.

"The fucking insurers are taking the fucking piss, again. Can't those bellends act like bloody humans for once in their fucking lives. Corporate fucking goons." - me, to the director probably

 

[alex2011]

You would be horrified by my office, we swear like troopers.

"The fucking insurers are taking the fucking piss, again. Can't those bellends act like bloody humans for once in their fucking lives. Corporate fucking goons." - me, to the director probably

Had no idea bellend was considered a curse word, though that one I almost never hear at all, granted it may not be used in my dialect of English.

You also wouldn't believe how often I used to do it, though your office story might say otherwise. I would have made a sailor blush back in about 2011 to 2014, I basically forced myself to not do it before I becme of legal age in my country for most things, then it was like a flood of pent up cursing for several years. I've moved away from using that kind of language, not in opposition, but just because I didn't really find it useful for anything normal.

EDIT: I was right, bellend is a different dialect of English than my own.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

There is "Romance" twice in the tags.
I feel the importance.
Hm.. should i give this a shot?
Does the game have any time limits anywhere? I hate those.

 

[alex2011]

There is "Romance" twice in the tags.
I feel the importance.
Hm.. should i give this a shot?
Does the game have any time limits anywhere? I hate those.

The only time limit, if you can call it that, is that some events do get locked if you proceed beyond a certain point for continuity reasons, it just wouldn't make sense to be able to do the locked events after that point. There is no game over for taking too long and you can take as many days as you want. My save is in the multiple hundreds of days with everything completed.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

multiple hundreds of days

Looks like you're a big fan.
I don't remember the last time i could stretch a renpy game this far.
Oke, let's check this out then.

 

[chu4ng]

There is "Romance" twice in the tags.
I feel the importance.
Hm.. should i give this a shot?
Does the game have any time limits anywhere? I hate those.

Definetly yes.
Some cool quote about that game:
- i'm only 3 minutes in and i'm scared

multiple hundreds of days
Looks like you're a big fan.

Actually, that's not. Game script require as least 350 days.
My first walkthought take about 600 days(because I'm a retard).

 

[El_Zane_123]

because they are both overweight?

Too easy, I know. But I am but a simple degenerate, what can I do?

 

[El_Zane_123]

Also, I gotta say, for someone tots not being into "big" girls at all (I like petite a very lot), Futaba is actually great.
I was tots uninterested in her for a long time but she managed with her sweetness and her character writing for me to care for her just like the rest, and I hate how Sensei treats her.

But then again, this is true for a whole bunch of the girls (except for Kirin. Screw Kirin, literally and figuratively.)

 

[niconob92]

I hate how Sensei treats her.

I do hope that, somewhere along the line, he eventually gets some sort of redemption arc. I love the game, I love the girls' stories but I kinda don't like playing as a piece of shit. I believe that among all his mental instability there is still some good and eventually you can fix your mistakes or something like that.

 

[El_Zane_123]

I do hope that, somewhere along the line, he eventually gets some sort of redemption arc. I love the game, I love the girls' stories but I kinda don't like playing as a piece of shit. I believe that among all his mental instability there is still some good and eventually you can fix your mistakes or something like that.

I think, ultimately, in the very long run, this will happen.
It is not that Newsei, the new Sensei (or very Oldsei, so to speak, unbeknowing to him) is an unempathic asshole.
The issue he has right now is that he does not feel that he belongs in this world, that it is his world, his story, his history.
And therefore he does what probably many in a very unique situation as his would do: treat it like pervert GTA.

We humans, aside of my firm belief that we do have morals for other than mere selfish reasons, act (mostly) responsible and considerate because of the consequences our actions would have otherwise. But if we think there are no consequences, that nothing is real and nothing will have lasting damage, then I am afraid most of us would succumb to our darker, more free and much, much less considerate fantasies that deep down we all have ("I wish I was more of an asshole but...").

Newsei is in this state of mind. He still treats it as some kind of game (ironic, isn't it?), as something without lasting consequences, so why would, should he care? It also is fundamentally a very interesting situation, as he is a New Sensei "reborn", yet hinted to be the very first Oldsei nonetheless. So he is in a very direct conflict with everything his actual self stands for, without even realizing it.

This realization will come though. And it will come through quite great tragedy during the sad arc. And we can at least make an educated guess that he will be able to fix some of the damage his previous, all to (in)human error caused.
The big question though, and the whole full circle of this game is if he can still save Maya, and if there even is a chance for that. That is the question I think no one aside Sel can answer as of now. (Though ffs I really hope so. She deserves so much after all the pain she already has endured during all those cycles...)

 

[niconob92]

I think, ultimately, in the very long run, this will happen.
It is not that Newsei, the new Sensei (or very Oldsei, so to speak, unbeknowing to him) is an unempathic asshole.
The issue he has right now is that he does not feel that he belongs in this world, that it is his world, his story, his history.
And therefore he does what probably many in a very unique situation as his would do: treat it like pervert GTA.

We humans, aside of my firm belief that we do have morals for other than mere selfish reasons, act (mostly) responsible and considerate because of the consequences our actions would have otherwise. But if we think there are no consequences, that nothing is real and nothing will have lasting damage, then I am afraid most of us would succumb to our darker, more free and much, much less considerate fantasies that deep down we all have ("I wish I was more of an asshole but...").

Newsei is in this state of mind. He still treats it as some kind of game (ironic, isn't it?), as something without lasting consequences, so why would, should he care? It also is fundamentally a very interesting situation, as he is a New Sensei "reborn", yet hinted to be the very first Oldsei nonetheless. So he is in a very direct conflict with everything his actual self stands for, without even realizing it.

This realization will come though. And it will come through quite great tragedy during the sad arc. And we can at least make an educated guess that he will be able to fix some of the damage his previous, all to (in)human error caused.
The big question though, and the whole full circle of this game is if he can still save Maya, and if there even is a chance for that. That is the question I think no one aside Sel can answer as of now. (Though ffs I really hope so. She deserves so much after all the pain she already has endured during all those cycles...)

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I believe eventually he'll come around. So far he doesn't really believe that particular world to be real so he doesn't hold anything back. He does show some sort of guilt from time to time as well.
And talking about newsei and oldsei, I'm barely past the first (if there are more) rewind so I'm not sure about what's to come. But my question is, why does the dream maya keep calling him sekai? Isn't that supposed to be the brother of the original sensei and ami's father?

 

[barglenarglezous]

I do hope that, somewhere along the line, he eventually gets some sort of redemption arc. I love the game, I love the girls' stories but I kinda don't like playing as a piece of shit. I believe that among all his mental instability there is still some good and eventually you can fix your mistakes or something like that.

I suspect it's going to get MUCH worse before we see a significant positive change.

 

[Dragon59]

I think, ultimately, in the very long run, this will happen.
It is not that Newsei, the new Sensei (or very Oldsei, so to speak, unbeknowing to him) is an unempathic asshole.
The issue he has right now is that he does not feel that he belongs in this world, that it is his world, his story, his history.
And therefore he does what probably many in a very unique situation as his would do: treat it like pervert GTA.

We humans, aside of my firm belief that we do have morals for other than mere selfish reasons, act (mostly) responsible and considerate because of the consequences our actions would have otherwise. But if we think there are no consequences, that nothing is real and nothing will have lasting damage, then I am afraid most of us would succumb to our darker, more free and much, much less considerate fantasies that deep down we all have ("I wish I was more of an asshole but...").

I'm reminded of the explanation Penn Jillette (and used by Rickie Gervais in After Life), when questioned on his atheism, the person saying that "without God, what's to stop you from raping and murdering all you want?" Penn said "I already rape and murder as much as I want: Zero."

Personally, I don't get much enjoyment from playing asshole MCs unless there is a chage over time. Then it becomes a form of Campbell's "monomyth."

Newsei is in this state of mind. He still treats it as some kind of game (ironic, isn't it?), as something without lasting consequences, so why would, should he care? It also is fundamentally a very interesting situation, as he is a New Sensei "reborn", yet hinted to be the very first Oldsei nonetheless. So he is in a very direct conflict with everything his actual self stands for, without even realizing it.

Very meta!
Based on the main events, I'm about one fifth of the way into Chapter 2 material (between Caterpillar and Let Me Die In Spring). I don't think I've seen enough of these hints to make an impact yet. He does think about asking those important questions of what he was like "before the break," but he never actually asks.

This realization will come though. And it will come through quite great tragedy during the sad arc. And we can at least make an educated guess that he will be able to fix some of the damage his previous, all to (in)human error caused.

Well, we're already seeing his humanity and compassion pushing through. Your explanation reminds me of eponymous character in the Thomas Covenant books. Plagued by leprosy, he finds himself healthy in an unknown world and considers it more of a dream and acts with abandon, raping a young woman. He only later realizes that this other world is real.

The big question though, and the whole full circle of this game is if he can still save Maya, and if there even is a chance for that. That is the question I think no one aside Sel can answer as of now. (Though ffs I really hope so. She deserves so much after all the pain she already has endured during all those cycles...)

Something in what you say supports the theory that it's still the same "soul" inside but just after a break. His current self enters the cycle right after a reset. It would make sense if he had the break during the reset process. Even though she seems to recognize that he is "new," she also says he's been doing this for a number of cycles already.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I believe eventually he'll come around. So far he doesn't really believe that particular world to be real so he doesn't hold anything back. He does show some sort of guilt from time to time as well.
And talking about newsei and oldsei, I'm barely past the first (if there are more) rewind so I'm not sure about what's to come. But my question is, why does the dream maya keep calling him sekai? Isn't that supposed to be the brother of the original sensei and ami's father?

I don't remember this. Based upon where you say you are in the game, I must have missed it. There is something that happens near the end of Chapter 1 that would be VERY interesting if related to what you mention.

I suspect it's going to get MUCH worse before we see a significant positive change.

I feel that I'm already starting to see significant positive change. I guess one could argue it's not significant yet, but it seems so to me.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I feel that I'm already starting to see significant positive change. I guess one could argue it's not significant yet, but it seems so to me.

He shows flashes of it, then goes and does something like what he did to Miku. He's still very much a terrible person, and never actually shows signs of remorse when he causes actual harm. Or, for that matter, his complete lack of remorse for what Ayane went through during this last reset.

He's very much in a battle between a force that actively wants to destroy the girls (and has said as much in some of his interior monologues) and a higher nature. Don't let the brief flashes fool you, he's still doing more harm than good on average.

 

[niconob92]

I don't remember this. Based upon where you say you are in the game, I must have missed it. There is something that happens near the end of Chapter 1 that would be VERY interesting if related to what you mention.

That must be because she never does it in english, but either japanese or hexa code. It's a pain but I translate the hexa code every time I see it, it's worth it

I suspect it's going to get MUCH worse before we see a significant positive change.

Yeah, probably. I don't mind that though, I just hope that at some point it gets a little better. I never liked pure evil or pure good characters, I prefer flawed ones in grey areas but so far I can't say that the MC fits there.

 

[barglenarglezous]

That must be because she never does it in english, but either japanese or hexa code. It's a pain but I translate the hexa code every time I see it, it's worth it

Can you give some examples where this happens? Is it Maya (in a real world scene), or the projection that looks like Maya (in happy scenes, which may or may not also be Maya, we don't know yet)?

 

[niconob92]

Can you give some examples where this happens? Is it Maya (in a real world scene), or the projection that looks like Maya (in happy scenes, which may or may not also be Maya, we don't know yet)?

In the 4th happy event you ask her to change your name to some random hexa code, but if translate it to normal letters it reads sekai. In that very same scene the angels things say "feed it to 望む (nozomu)" refering to, I believe, the happy scene maya. Nozomu being ami's mother. And in the sixth happy scene dream maya says "What is wrong, 世界(sekai) ?"
So as you can imagine, I'm incredibly confused by all this xD

 

[barglenarglezous]

In the 4th happy event you ask her to change your name to some random hexa code, but if translate it to normal letters it reads sekai. In that very same scene the angels things say "feed it to 望む (nozomu)" refering to, I believe, the happy scene maya. Nozomu being ami's mother. And in the sixth happy scene dream maya says "What is wrong, 世界(sekai) ?"
So as you can imagine, I'm incredibly confused by all this xD

Yeah, when Maya appears in a happy scene, it's not certain that it's ACTUALLY Maya, but rather something else wearing her face.

But with the most recent happy scene's implication that Ami's mother may have had an affair with Sensei, that creates a scenario where Sekai could well be both the name of Sensei and Ami's father....

But also -- Sekai means "world" in google translate, so it could also just be a term of endearment?

 

[niconob92]

But also -- Sekai means "world" in google translate, so it could also just be a term of endearment?

Could be, but I don't think that's it keeping in mind that it's also spelled like that in hexa code and what I just said about dream maya as well.