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Selebus also has no reason to release the game for free but he does, and yet you're not thankful to him for that at all.
I'm not telling you how to live your life, if you want to play the leaked version or not that's up to you, but saying stuff like "I would very much dislike if it was never leaked." is just being an asshole.
I could understand your stance if this was a game that was forever behind a paywall, but it's not. This isn't about you being thankful to the leakers, it's you being self-entitled.
There is a big difference between thinking you're entitled to something and then just doing something because you want to.

This would be the latter case. The word self-centered would have made a much better argument and point though.
 
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Actually, I will go ahead and respond to the rest of this as well.

It is nice, it is nice to the people who spend their own money so that the rest of us don't have to, it would be basic human dignity to respect and appreciate them for taking the blow. Don't really feel like tackling the whole "this is why people get depressed" topic since it's just there to be "malicious"

Why would I wait 2 weeks for a game that I can instead get in 0 - 5 days? Of course it isn't hard but it's absolutely pointless and the only reason to do it is for some delusional sense of a moral high ground which would just make you come off as extremely pretentious.

The whole action figure comparison REALLY isn't good at all. He had to wait because he had no other way to get it, alternatively if you wanted an actual comparison that would work here it would be that he could wait a month to get an action figure, or he could just get it instantly for no downside to him. You'd only wait for the action figure if you wanted to do it to reward yourself, but since I don't particularly know the context of the situation I wouldn't know if it was supposed to be a reward or just something he wanted.

also i cannot believe you called me a republican, this is the meanest thing you've ever said to anyone and you should apologize profusely.
Why wait? Because it is the right thing to do, perhaps? It isn't pointless, the point is to show respect to developers by waiting until they are ready to give it for free so the people who actually pay for the privilege of getting it early actually get it early. As it is now, we barely get it a few hours before the free players entirely because of these leaks and, since the only real point in being a patron benefits wise is the earlier release for this project, it takes away the incentive to be a patron for anyone who needs more than just wanting to support to be one.

You seem to be missing a point to this conversation, there IS a downside to the leaks, it incentivizes the developer to quit by causing them undue stress. That affects not just patrons, but everyone who plays the game, including people who play free whether legitimate or leaked.

Also, if you think being called a Republican is bad, just wait until you hear what actual Republicans, myself included, get called on a daily basis. Not that I care who calls me what, they can call me the worst names or whatever in the English language and it won't phase me. :p

Yes! I am the type of person who would prefer not to wait two weeks for nothing else other than to make myself feel higher than others. How dare ((((others)))) play the game early when I didn't! They must be morally bankrupt!

I am also the type of person who appreciates leakers for what they do, they have no reason to help the rest of us, but they do, and it's great to be thankful towards them for that.
So you appreciate that they incentivize the game being put on long term hold if not shut down entirely by the developer for potentially stress related, or other, reasons?

Selebus also has no reason to release the game for free but he does, and yet you're not thankful to him for that at all.
I'm not telling you how to live your life, if you want to play the leaked version or not that's up to you, but saying stuff like "I would very much dislike if it was never leaked." is just being an asshole.
I could understand your stance if this was a game that was forever behind a paywall, but it's not. This isn't about you being thankful to the leakers, it's you being self-entitled.
Indeed, thank you Selebus for being so generous over the more than a year of this game's development.

There is a big difference between thinking you're entitled to something and then just doing something because you want to.

This would be the latter case. The word self-centered would have made a much better argument and point though.
This part I agree on, entitled would mean you think you have some sort of right to get for free what others pay for. You have been very clear this is not the case.
 

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Actually, I will go ahead and respond to the rest of this as well.

It is nice, it is nice to the people who spend their own money so that the rest of us don't have to, it would be basic human dignity to respect and appreciate them for taking the blow. Don't really feel like tackling the whole "this is why people get depressed" topic since it's just there to be "malicious"
Actually, the action figure analogy stands. My nephew has his allowance; he easily could've bought it with his own money. OR, he could wait a month and get his parents to buy it (so he gets it for free).

Also, from my experience, Republicans are usually the inpatient types, the one's who don't understand others' feelings. Isn't that what you're doing, especially when you can't wait for a game that gets published for free in 2 weeks?
 

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Please don't do this. This ain't nice, and to be blunt, you're the reason why good creators get depressed. Show some basic human dignity, please >_<

And develop enough discipline to be able to wait 2 weeks for a game! Seriously, it ain't hard...my 7-year-old nephew was able to wait a MONTH (2 week s* 2) for his parents to buy him the action figure he wanted...

Also, your quote makes me think you're a republican :( Biden't not listening, alright? If you're scared, contact me or some reputable person. We got facts to dispel your fears ;)
You even had to drag politics into this, blows my fucking mind. Guess what, America isn't the center of the universe, weird huh?

Why wait? Because it is the right thing to do, perhaps? It isn't pointless, the point is to show respect to developers by waiting until they are ready to give it for free so the people who actually pay for the privilege of getting it early actually get it early. As it is now, we barely get it a few hours before the free players entirely because of these leaks and, since the only real point in being a patron benefits wise is the earlier release for this project, it takes away the incentive to be a patron for anyone who needs more than just wanting to support to be one.
You're typing this on a forum dedicated to piracy. You're typing this on a forum dedicated to piracy. You're typing this on a forum dedicated to piracy.

Rockstar saying they spent 100K on DRM for GTA 4 only motivated crackers to get to work. This constant bitching and moaning from the both of you could have the same effect, so if you really care, just freaking stop.

You've both made your opinions very clear
. We got it! You're not helping.
 
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You even had to drag politics into this, blows my fucking mind. Guess what, America isn't the center of the universe, weird huh?



You're typing this on a forum dedicated to piracy. You're typing this on a forum dedicated to piracy. You're typing this on a forum dedicated to piracy.

Rockstar saying they spent 100K on DRM for GTA 4 only motivated crackers to get to work. This constant bitching and moaning from the both of you could have the same effect, so if you really care, just freaking stop.

You've both made your opinions very clear
. We got it! You're not helping.
Not that it matters what this forum is dedicated to, just because it has that purpose means nothing. No, stopping would mean we DON'T care because we are letting things go on without a word. Helping isn't even the point and if you really want us to stop, then don't give us a reason. Piracy is a very real threat to this game just like it is any other one man game and we treat it as such. I'll admit it, I am a pirate of necessity, I pirate when I have no other choice other than to ignore a game I really want to play. Before I found this game worth the money, and that's an understatement, I did pirate even this. I stopped when the game won me over, instantly, and immediately went to subscribe at the next available opportunity.

We say things like this because the last thing we want is for this game to cease public availability, or worse, development entirely, which is a very real threat for any developer due to the stress induced by piracy.

It's one thing when a game has no means other than paying for it, but this is free after two weeks, no strings attached. You get literally everything the patrons do at every public release, there is no patron exclusive content in game, all you have to do is wait two weeks. That's why we complain, because piracy isn't even needed to play for free, only patience is needed.
 
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Actually, the action figure analogy stands. My nephew has his allowance; he easily could've bought it with his own money. OR, he could wait a month and get his parents to buy it (so he gets it for free).

Also, from my experience, Republicans are usually the inpatient types, the one's who don't understand others' feelings. Isn't that what you're doing, especially when you can't wait for a game that gets published for free in 2 weeks?
Even with the added context, the action figure analogy still doesn't stand because he's still having to pay for it, there is no payment required to download a leak.

I don't know why you're particularly trying to strawman politically illiterate Americans but whatever.
 
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Why wait? Because it is the right thing to do, perhaps? It isn't pointless, the point is to show respect to developers by waiting until they are ready to give it for free so the people who actually pay for the privilege of getting it early actually get it early. As it is now, we barely get it a few hours before the free players entirely because of these leaks and, since the only real point in being a patron benefits wise is the earlier release for this project, it takes away the incentive to be a patron for anyone who needs more than just wanting to support to be one.

You seem to be missing a point to this conversation, there IS a downside to the leaks, it incentivizes the developer to quit by causing them undue stress. That affects not just patrons, but everyone who plays the game, including people who play free whether legitimate or leaked.

Also, if you think being called a Republican is bad, just wait until you hear what actual Republicans, myself included, get called on a daily basis. Not that I care who calls me what, they can call me the worst names or whatever in the English language and it won't phase me. :p


So you appreciate that they incentivize the game being put on long term hold if not shut down entirely by the developer for potentially stress related, or other, reasons?


Indeed, thank you Selebus for being so generous over the more than a year of this game's development.


This part I agree on, entitled would mean you think you have some sort of right to get for free what others pay for. You have been very clear this is not the case.
I appreciate that they're willing to pay for what other people aren't or can't, and then sharing it with no benefit to them.

If selebus ends up quitting due to the stress of piracy I will sure be glad that I didn't decide to support a game which claims to already be fully funded, though at the same time if the game finishes I'll probably give him $20 if possible. (mostly if paypal decides to keep being a shitty platform or not)

Most things republicans get called are just the first buzzword that comes to somebody's mind, perhaps malicious but not particularly bad as buzzwords never are. Disingenuously having my political beliefs assumed because of a status is a bit lame one way or the other though.
 
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I'm a patreon myself of this, and while I wish people did not leak it before it's release date, this game is created from piracy. In fact 99% of games here are created using the stolen assets of other games and character studios. Not only that, but this game is free. You cannot pirate a technically free game

And if you say 'Well it isn't free', then unless each and every developer on this site including Sel has direct permission to use illusion assets and make a profit from it, then they are in every sense of the word pirating it. And up to now there is zero evidence to show that permission has been granted for any game on this website, including this

You borrow a book from someone to read, you download music online for free, you are pirating. You rent a movie from someone, you are pirating. You're violating the license agreement by using that product for free, without given permission. You're using someone's product and not bothering to pay the person who made it. You don't ask for permission, you do it anyway. And everyone has done at least one of those things

Also, another thing:
Selebus also has no reason to release the game for free but he does
There is a reason. Mostly the reason that it would be illegal. You will not see this game have a price, or see it on steam. And that is the end of that

(Read this for some context)

And while I love this game, there is a hypocrisy in a lot of comments here. We're on a 'pirating site', playing a game that was pirated to be created in the first place. And people then complain about other pirates. All of you are 'Pirates'. Sel is a 'Pirate'. I'm a 'Pirate'. Alex, you're a 'Pirate' too. Every single one of you is guilty of piracy at some point in your life. And if any of you deny it you're a f*cking liar

If one form of piracy is wrong, then all forms of piracy are wrong. And if you disagree with that, you don't want this game to exist in the first place

So what gives you the right to judge other people of what you yourself have done? You have no right, and no argument to defend it. Judge yourselves before you judge other people. Because you'd have to judge Sel too. And none of you want to do that

Like I said, I give money to this game. Because it's a great f*cking game. And I'd rather people did have the patience of waiting 2 weeks for an update. But it does not change the reality of the situation, and that's everything that had to be said
 
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Not that it matters what this forum is dedicated to, just because it has that purpose means nothing.
You're allowed to express yourself despite what purpose this site has, yes totally. I'd even say that expressing these concerns of yours about the future of the game and the effect it has on the dev is welcome, but removing the context of where you posting these comments and saying that it means nothing is odd to me. I'll try and explain why.

Sorry for repeating myself but first of, I genuinely think that these comments (and the way in which they are written by some users) simply piss people off because of the purpose of this website. That context does matter, at least it does to me. Even ignoring that, though it's unavoidable, it paints a target on this game when assholes see an opportunity to hurt someone else. I'm not saying you should not express the reality of the situation from your perspective, but every time I go to this thread (still, on a piracy forum) to read about users theories and such I see the same type of comment over and over again and it's waaay worse when morals and grandstanding is involved, not saying you're guilty of that, but there are positive ways to express this on F95 without making it seem as if people have questionable morals. You're allowed to think that, but I really don't think it has the intended effect I presume you're hoping to achieve.

A post in the style of "Reminder that Selebus uploads this game for free two weeks after patreon release, Support the developer if you enjoy this game" just like most .nfo's from actual piracy scene groups do. I think that is a positive way of reinforcing it and I hope that you agree that there's some validity to this.

No, stopping would mean we DON'T care because we are letting things go on without a word. Helping isn't even the point and if you really want us to stop, then don't give us a reason.
I could see how posting these comments here is a way to make it more bearable for a dev which you appreciate or want to help motivate and I'm not going to make that out to be a bad thing. Again we come back to the importance of the context of where you are posting this, if helping isn't even the point then what is it that you are hoping to achieve by visiting a piracy forum because piracy happens on said forum? What's the end goal?

Piracy is a very real threat to this game just like it is any other one man game and we treat it as such. I'll admit it, I am a pirate of necessity, I pirate when I have no other choice other than to ignore a game I really want to play. Before I found this game worth the money, and that's an understatement, I did pirate even this. I stopped when the game won me over, instantly, and immediately went to subscribe at the next available opportunity.
Then let that same process happen to others organically. I'm assuming that you finding the game worthy of support was not informed by people telling you over and over again that you're a morally bankrupt piece of shit with no remorse for hurting a human being mental well being by downloading their game for free. It was probably the game itself, right?

We say things like this because the last thing we want is for this game to cease public availability, or worse, development entirely, which is a very real threat for any developer due to the stress induced by piracy.
I get that. I can't sit here and tell the dev how he or she should feel or in what way they are allowed to be affected by piracy. I'm of the opinion that piracy helps in more ways than not, but I can't prove that with numbers and neither can you or anybody else, and it would be on a case by case basis. The increased number of patreons when it's not leaked early are actual numbers, yes, but it's not possible to prove or disprove that the development would even get to that point without it being shared and appreciated in the first place.

It's one thing when a game has no means other than paying for it, but this is free after two weeks, no strings attached. You get literally everything the patrons do at every public release, there is no patron exclusive content in game, all you have to do is wait two weeks. That's why we complain, because piracy isn't even needed to play for free, only patience is needed.
In my opinion it doesn't matter how you slice it, some people will chose not to care and that's it. I don't play without the walkthrough being updated, and if that happens to be 1 day or 2 weeks after release it still doesn't matter to me. It's not about patience, it's about availability. I'm not sitting here shaking while waiting for someone to leak it debating whether or not I should join the devs patreon to be able to play the game. Some might. That's it. Offering a service that's more convenient that piracy is probably the most effective way to combat it.

I'll end by saying that there's a way to meet in the middle on this, and I'm not the experts on all matters related to piracy. I am also trying to see yours and others viewpoint in a fair way and have a honest discussion but I'm frustrated sometimes and might come of as harsh or unwilling to understand other viewpoints, I'll admit to that. I'm sure that I'm ignorant and wrong about some aspects of the effect on business, and I wont say shit about how the dev is allowed to feel about it. But I'm real confident that these sarcastic, repeated comments questioning users morals are more likely to have the opposite effect of what your intending. More people would have to say something on this matter and until then I can only say that I think it's highly likely, but hey I could be wrong.

I'll try to ignore this going forward because I feel I'm just part of the problem at this point. I wish for the dev to be happy and succeed with this project, that's my honest view on the matter and the reason for taking the time to at least try to make one or more good points and I welcome you and others to poke holes in them if I'm being ignorant or misinformed.
 

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I'm a patreon myself of this, and while I wish people did not leak it before it's release date, this game is created from piracy. In fact 99% of games here are created using the stolen assets of other games and character studios. Not only that, but this game is free. You cannot pirate a technically free game

And if you say 'Well it isn't free', then unless each and every developer on this site including Sel has direct permission to use illusion assets and make a profit from it, then they are in every sense of the word pirating it. And up to now there is zero evidence to show that permission has been granted for any game on this website, including this

You borrow a book from someone to read, you download music online for free, you are pirating. You rent a movie from someone, you are pirating. You're violating the license agreement by using that product for free, without given permission. You're using someone's product and not bothering to pay the person who made it. You don't ask for permission, you do it anyway. And everyone has done at least one of those things

Also, another thing:


There is a reason. Mostly the reason that it would be illegal. You will not see this game have a price, or see it on steam. And that is the end of that

(Read this for some context)

And while I love this game, there is a hypocrisy in a lot of comments here. We're on a 'pirating site', playing a game that was pirated to be created in the first place. And people then complain about other pirates. All of you are 'Pirates'. Sel is a 'Pirate'. I'm a 'Pirate'. Alex, you're a 'Pirate' too. Every single one of you is guilty of piracy at some point in your life. And if any of you deny it you're a f*cking liar

If one form of piracy is wrong, then all forms of piracy are wrong. And if you disagree with that, you don't want this game to exist in the first place

So what gives you the right to judge other people of what you yourself have done? You have no right, and no argument to defend it. Judge yourselves before you judge other people. Because you'd have to judge Sel too. And none of you want to do that

Like I said, I give money to this game. Because it's a great f*cking game. And I'd rather people did have the patience of waiting 2 weeks for an update. But it does not change the reality of the situation, and that's everything that had to be said
There's absolutely no reason to believe that Selebus stole his copy of Koikatsu and that's not how copyright works.
 

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Can someone share me a save please?Even if its not full save i vant to enjoy new content too and i dont want to grind again
 

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Just saw some guys talking good about this game but i didn't think it would actually look this good. Is this really made in koikatsu? The girls actually have NIPPLES!
 
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