Okey so here i suppouse the date of "Noriko old enough to sit in lap" is the date of the "Spotless mind"(i think is the event name) Edit:It is, i didn't see it in the time line lol
Just in case, i want to say i don't want to "argue" or discuss negatively(?), just trying to understad all this stuf under the discarded possibility of selebus messing it up.
hmm yea that is quite alarming. If I were to defend it, I can push
Spotless Mind a liiiiiittle earlier than 2007, banking on this "way later" not exceeding a year. If it's like you said, that "way later" means several years, it would violate a lot more things that aren't even the target of this timeline construction, as Akira and Niki
had to start dating at 2007 to satisfy "they dated five years" and "Sekai died 8 years ago when Ami was 7" (additional ref here is Heaven for Human Blood)
I mean, this works, but only if you forego Kyoto. Here are the problems:
1. If Kyoto exists, then Ami must not have been born in its timeline. It's completely absurd that Akira or Sekai would conduct Kyoto the way they do if Ami is 6 years old, and it's Sekai's second pregnancy. Sekai loved Ami more than Akira. Or even that Ami'd think Nozomu was normal when he beat Sekai so much that she'd run away.
2. Also, if Kyoto exists then it can't have been in 2011 because Akira and Niki were not dating in Kyoto. Rather, Kyoto has to take place before they start dating. And the countdown of 5 years dating has to take place after it.
It had already been said, but this is very helpful in getting a clear picture of simply why Kyoto can't have existed in our timeline. By all means it should be in 2005, which makes everything else out of place (Noriko would be -1 during Kyoto, and at least -2 on Spotless Mind). Kyoto is in 2005 (assuming the pregnancy is Ami's, which it has to be - if it is in our timeline), Spotless Mind is even before it.
Yup, these are the parts that I feel strange too. But let's see here.......
1. I regard your Point 1 as the logical conjecture and thus is not put into consideration when constructing the timeline. For me the tug of war is between "Cannot find a plausible reasoning behind wha/why Sekai's proposing" and "Noriko should not have existed at that given time"; AKA, a plot stretch vs a plot mistake. The former still has a chance to be explained in the future no matter how unconvincing it might be, while the latter is simply a mistake and has no chance to explain itself without invoking things like "Selly fucked up" or "Noriko can violate causality", and these are much bigger and more irreversible assumptions.
2. Were they not dating already in
Kyoto? Is it because they still referred to each other as friend or childhood friend when a third person was around, or did they say something specific about it? (let me doubt check...)
Regardless, the paths forward are something like these:
- Accept
Kyoto in 2005 / Tolerate Noriko being -1 year old / Plothole identified
- Accept
Kyoto in 2011 / Tolerate not being able to comprehend why Sekai would suggest that
- Does not believe
Kyoto exist within the same linear timeline
Despite everything in
Kyoto really really feeling like 2005 (I must admit, the emotional weight feels more fitting if it was her carrying Ami and if Akira was still 16), I still subjectively picked the second one because the alternatives either violate causality or are not bound by it. But if a second piece of event emerges in the future that also violates causality in a similar manner then I am jumping ship.
Edit: I don't understand why Kyoto has to take place within a year of the accident either. Is it because Sekai's supposed second child would have died in the accident?
That is my reasoning, yes. For a second pregnancy to be true, this is an assumption I have to make since neither Ami or ghost Sekai has ever mentioned about it.
