Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

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Moonflare

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gazgiz said:
I know I'm a lurker, and god knows I do also have my problems with this game that lives in my head rent free, but you do realize there isn't a LiL or a LiL to clone without Selebus, right?
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Yes, I agree with that as well. You could have cutting-edge graphics and the best game design on the market, the same themes and overall imagery, and at most you'd probably get a good porn game (which I'd play and probably have fun with btw). Or idk, something people would say "It's like higurashi or steins;gate, but with sex" or something like that.

Now, there are certainly very competent writers out there - but would there be very competent writers up to write this kind of story in the adult games genre? I'm not so sure. I hope there are. I wish for more games like this one in terms of writing. However, Selebus (the writer Selebus - not his persona or game designer) is the very reason the game is good, you take him out without a proper replacement and you get crap.

Bingoogus said:
Fuck that game and it's developer. Honestly, save yourself the waste of time, the game is abandoned cause the cunt dev was arrested for being a cunt, the game had already started to derail after 'the merger' and in the end with the last version, there's only a handful of characters that have sex scenes and most of them are boring. So in summary you get to play a broken story that fails to pay off even before it hits a dead end, bugger all sexiness, and the knowledge the shit you're consuming was made by inhuman scum... still interested?
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Yeah, I was appalled when I heard about what happened.
 
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Moonflare said:
Yes, I agree with that as well. You could have cutting-edge graphics and the best game design on the market, the same themes and overall imagery, and at most you'd probably get a good porn game (which I'd play and probably have fun with btw). Or idk, something people would say "It's like higurashi or steins;gate, but with sex" or something like that.

Now, there are certainly very competent writers out there - but would there be very competent writers up to write this kind of story in the adult games genre? I'm not so sure. I hope there are. I wish for more games like this one in terms of writing. However, Selebus (the writer Selebus - not his persona or game designer) is the very reason the game is good, you take him out without a proper replacement and you get crap.
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Black souls and TLS.Especially black souls but thats me just being a biased fanboy
 
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Moonflare said:
World. But I fail to see your point, as I included many other references, but you're only talking about this one. Please elaborate, maybe I missed what you mean.
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You werebasically saying that
1) There is a deity in LiY named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (he was altering the world)
2) There is a character in LiL named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (we have no idea why)
3) This makes LiY clone of LiL

Do I actually need to see other references, if first one is a garbage?
Moonflare said:
Now, I'm not about to dissect similarities because, again, I didn't like the game and barely remember it. I'd have to replay it in order to do that, and it simply didn't appeal to me. I will say though that the reason I didn't like the game had nothing to do with it being similar to LiL or anything like that, but because I had glaring issues with the plot.
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I get that you don't like the game, sure. Does it somehow proves that game is LiL clone? No. Neither does similar UI or even game icon.

gazgiz said:
I know I'm a lurker, and god knows I do also have my problems with this game that lives in my head rent free, but you do realize there isn't a LiL or a LiL to clone without Selebus, right?
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I don't get your point
 
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Moonflare said:
Yes, I agree with that as well. You could have cutting-edge graphics and the best game design on the market, the same themes and overall imagery, and at most you'd probably get a good porn game (which I'd play and probably have fun with btw). Or idk, something people would say "It's like higurashi or steins;gate, but with sex" or something like that.

Now, there are certainly very competent writers out there - but would there be very competent writers up to write this kind of story in the adult games genre? I'm not so sure. I hope there are. I wish for more games like this one in terms of writing. However, Selebus (the writer Selebus - not his persona or game designer) is the very reason the game is good, you take him out without a proper replacement and you get crap.



Yeah, I was appalled when I heard about what happened.
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I originally downloaded this game over a year ago because I thought it was a porn game. Having played though the first two chapters twice and gotten all caught up, I'm not sure I'm even willing to call this a porn game anymore?

It's a narrative that can only be told via the medium of a porn game in the same way that Understanding Comics MUST be written as a comic in order for it to make any kind of sense.
 
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JelF547 said:
You werebasically saying that
1) There is a deity in LiY named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (he was altering the world)
2) There is a character in LiL named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (we have no idea why)
3) This makes LiY clone of LiL

Do I actually need to see other references, if first one is a garbage?


I get that you don't like the game, sure. Does it somehow proves that game is LiL clone? No. Neither does similar UI or even game icon.


I don't get your point
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Well not not when you order them in such a way that it seems LiL is copying LiY. Also look at LiL next to LiY!

Of course it's a clone!
 
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JelF547 said:
You werebasically saying that
1) There is a deity in LiY named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (he was altering the world)
2) There is a character in LiL named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (we have no idea why)
3) This makes LiY clone of LiL

Do I actually need to see other references, if first one is a garbage?


I get that you don't like the game, sure. Does it somehow proves that game is LiL clone? No. Neither does similar UI or even game icon.


I don't get your point
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Its not "similar" its the same.A character model in the left of the screen,evennt and replay windows bottom right,The significance of the rooftoop(although you can techically call it a moot point) AND the use of Sekai.You can say that using the name Sekai isnt a copy paste,and you would be right.The problem comes when all of these things combine.
 
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Its not "similar" its the same.A character model in the left of the screen,evennt and replay windows bottom right,The significance of the rooftoop(although you can techically call it a moot point) AND the use of Sekai.You can say that using the name Sekai isnt a copy paste,and you would be right.The problem comes when all of these things combine.
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So, what you are saying is that any game with UI similar to LiL and having character named Sekai is a LiL clone, am i right?
 
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Im saying that this specific game that has the exact layout of another game is a clone.
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Do you mean default renpy layout?

gazgiz said:
Based on the media literacy you're throwing out into the world, I'm not sure how you can hang with a game like LiL, tbh
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Oh it's easy, I understand what makes LiL different from other games and you don't
 
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JelF547 said:
So, what you are saying is that any game with UI similar to LiL and having character named Sekai is a LiL clone, am i right?
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They are when you put all those elements together on a school rooftop and something strange is happening in the world. And on top of it you do the whole "god God" thing, yes.

It's so obvious it's a clone that it's hard to grok how you're not seeing it?
 
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JelF547 said:
You werebasically saying that
1) There is a deity in LiY named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (he was altering the world)
2) There is a character in LiL named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (we have no idea why)
3) This makes LiY clone of LiL

Do I actually need to see other references, if first one is a garbage?


I get that you don't like the game, sure. Does it somehow proves that game is LiL clone? No. Neither does similar UI or even game icon.


I don't get your point
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I think his point was "I went to double check if it was a LiL clone and the first thing I saw was a character on a roof named Sekai". It's not proof on it's own but it is funny. He didn't say that's what made it a clone, he provided other examples.
 
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Riolol said:
I think his point was "I went to double check if it was a LiL clone and the first thing I saw was a character on the roof named Sekai". It's not proof on it's own but it is funny. He didn't say that's what made it a clone, he provided other examples.
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So it leaves us only simillar UI. I think that guy should just open renpy without any configuration and see how it works. On advanced level, he might also think how would he make character screens and event lists (spoiler: he'd probably make them more simmilar to LiL, than to LiY)
 
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JelF547 said:
So it leaves us only simillar UI. I think that guy should just open renpy without any configuration and see how it works. On advanced level, he might also think how would he make character screens and event lists (spoiler: he'd probably make them more simmilar to LiL, than to LiY)
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There is a screenshot with "god God" in it. Are you arguing both are big Heidegger fans, and it's just a big coincidence?
 
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JelF547 said:
You werebasically saying that
1) There is a deity in LiY named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (he was altering the world)
2) There is a character in LiL named Sekai, who was on the roof under strange circumstances (we have no idea why)
3) This makes LiY clone of LiL

Do I actually need to see other references, if first one is a garbage?

I get that you don't like the game, sure. Does it somehow proves that game is LiL clone? No. Neither does similar UI or even game icon.
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No, I'm saying that the first save I loaded had this exact scene, and therefore I found it funny. And no, you don't have to do anything, but I'd expect you to read my post if you're going dispute what I'm saying. Cause what you're saying is "I don't even have to read most of your post, how does it even prove that the game is a clone?"

Well, I didn't say at any point it was a clone either. What I said is that it takes inspiration from it, and that my issue with it is that I found its writing to be lacking. I wasn't trying to prove any point either, I was genuinely curious after your comment and opened the game again to check. Then I presented what I found for any interested in reading, finishing by saying that if anyone enjoyed the game, I was happy for them.

I apologise if somehow you got the impression I was picking a fight with you. However, I don't appreciate you making it seem like I'm an idiot that has to be told what the word Sekai even means, just because that's an easy example to say it wasn't a reference to LiL, when I added things like this, which clearly is:
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And then, when I ask for clarification, you saying that you don't need to read my post beyond the second line to conclude all I'm saying is garbage. Anyway, I regret responding to you. I welcome being corrected when I'm wrong about something, and have often thanked people here for that. But this is not the kind of interaction I'm looking for.
 
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