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Remember, we don't seem to be dealing with the Sensei that she knew and she is well aware of this, she has referenced this on multiple occasions. The relationship in my theory wasn't with this Sensei, it was with the old one. I have a feeling she saw something terrible happen to to the old one, the event that brought the Sensei we play as into this world Maya is a part of. As far as understanding the game's events, that's just not possible at this point, but all will make sense in time. I played the update on my breaks from doing some recording for a band I'm in around 3 in the afternoon my time and still couldn't fully comprehend it.
Kingofsaints46
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Nice job in figuring it all out. Where did you find the username? I still cant figure out where to find it.
I thought that Sensei was the old one.
Or maybe a middle one, because they clearly have been through the loops already. I agree that it's way too early to make sense of it. But I'm still wondering if this scarf was the first one after the.. first one. Or does this happen every "year" during Christmas.
JohnnyRazer
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Well, that's almost my point. I see it like she either grew emotionally dumb over so many cycles or intentionally shut in, or maybe both. That doesn't change the fact the most of the time she is portrayed (or portrays herself) as unemotional. And when a person like that (who as well definitely saw a lot of weird and horrible stuff and didn't even blink an eye) suddenly breaks over something so simple. IMO, it's quite... I can't say scary or shocking, but unnerving maybe the best word to describe it. And also sad, as someone mentioned earlier.
Anyway, it's all speculations at this point of game progress, only almighty Sel knows the truth.
I will be referring to the Sensei we play as as player Sensei while the one from before the events of the game will be referred to as old Sensei for the remainder of this discussion just to make it easier to tell which I am talking about at any given point.
The Sensei we play as is not the one they knew before the events of the game, this is referenced by player Sensei himself in the opening scenes, where he is confused about who people are and what is going on, not even recognizing his own niece.I thought that Sensei was the old one.
She isn't totally emotionless since she does seem to bear negative emotions toward player Sensei, though these emotions are not as strong as Yumi's outright hatred of player Sensei and don't seem to be truly negative, just defensively so to distance herself. She definitely shut herself off from everyone emotionally, but why is what we still have to figure out. To make someone do something that drastic, it takes A LOT. The human spirit isn't so easily broken, so it must have been something horrific that caused her to do this. The loss of a loved one in an accident or murder, perhaps, which is where old Sensei comes in. We see in the opening that something happens to Sensei at one point, but we don't know who witnessed it or who caused it if anyone other than him was involved. This leaves open the possibility that old Sensei either killed himself for yet another unknown reason or that he was murdered and this took place essentially right in front of Maya, not with the perpetrator in view, but most definitely with Sensei in view. By the time she could have gotten help, he would be dead. By the time she could have rushed to the site of the incident, he would be dead. By the time she got to where he, and the potential murderer, was, he would be dead. This would lead to utter despair, a feeling of hopelessness so great that the mind has to do something to protect her, it has to shut off her emotions so it cannt happen again. If it does, she's going to break and break hard. We're talking totally unresponsive, off in her own little world permanently, maybe mumbling utter nonsense. She remains in this 'protected' state even through the resets since she is apparently immune to them like player Sensei is, by which I mean they both have full memory of the things that happened before and during, but the others do not have any memory from before the point the reset brought them back to. In other words, what we see from Maya isn't truly an inability to show emotion or lack of emotion, but an act, a facade to keep her distance so she doesn't have to bear that pain again. When she sees the scarf, it could have broken that facade for a bit. With enough emotion welling up, not even the best actress on the planet can hide it.Well, that's almost my point. I see it like she either grew emotionally dumb over so many cycles or intentionally shut in, or maybe both. That doesn't change the fact the most of the time she is portrayed (or portrays herself) as unemotional. And when a person like that (who as well definitely saw a lot of weird and horrible stuff and didn't even blink an eye) suddenly breaks over something so simple. IMO, it's quite... I can't say scary or shocking, but unnerving maybe the best word to describe it. And also sad, as someone mentioned earlier.
Anyway, it's all speculations at this point of game progress, only almighty Sel knows the truth.
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I think she said it herself several times that she's somewhat bored, because the certain things keep happening again and again in almost every cycle.
As for distancing herself from Sensei, there's few things I can think of:
a) the current Sensei, whatever he's a remnant of original or someone else entirely, takes the body of someone she cares about. It's essentially a stranger wearing a familiar face, so she distances herself and act hostile. She's also seem hopeful somewhat, because of the certain choices the current Sensei makes that remind her of the original.
b) "Amiokay" girl (whose name may or may not start with "T") also says that she's not Maya, but refers to her as "my better version", or "better self". One that, I guess, would not betray her best friend by going behind Ami's back and starting shit with Sensei.
c) There are interesting things fucked-up-happy-scene-Ami says about Maya, that she's a "dream child" or something like that. That she was created in a dream. Also, the weird-lucid-happy-scene-Sensei once or twice mentioned that "this girl does not approve of incest" or some such. I mean, it's fairly normal, but it's like it was specifically highlighted about her. That lead me to think that Maya is a some kind of a daughter of "Amiokay" girl and Sensei. Maybe not actuall, but metaphysical.
She did say that, but that doesn't explain her emotional state after seeing a certain object. A) This is definitely not the Sensei she knew, she and player Sensei have referenced this on multiple occasions. This is why I have a theory that she was romantically involved with old Sensei. B) True, but what if this being is not who she says, maybe she is this mysterious HOPE-Sama in disguise toying with us. C) Not many people would approve of incest, this may be a game, but it is pulling certain aspects from reality itself. I still don't trust any of the beings portrayed in the 'happy' scenes or anything they say unless it sounds like it will come up later, hint hint. I don't see evidence yet, but I suspect this HOPE-Sama is involved in their creation as well as the creation of the scenes themselves in universe, I mean how else would messed up shit like that happen besides some otherworldly being or drugs.
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Quickly wanna say a BIG thanks to everyone that bothers to put the spoilers or the blurs! Still in the middle of playing the game at the moment, but I do like to read the comments since this is a nice group of peeps!
JohnnyRazer
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I think it's closer to a fact now. A lot of happy scenes hint on that, especially the last one. And while I think it's more of a nightmarish delusion, I suppose it mixes memories of the old Sensei with weird shit happening in the head of player Sensei. Or there's a slight possibility that they are one man, who after some tramautic experience gone nuts and closed his memories under a seal. But again, speculations...
Heh, all this talk about cycles and loops and weird shit reminded me a little about light novel Utsuro no Haku (or The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria). Anyway, I just wanted to say that scene with green scarf despite it's briefness was one of the best in this update. I don't know how Selebus keeps exceeding himself in terms of storytelling every time. Like, is there a limit for this man? Guess I'll have to subscribe next year
Or maybe he'll be satisfied with high-fives?
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Or Selebus is a hack-fraud and making it up as he goes along
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I'm pretty sure you can find it in other places as well, but replay "They're Just Lights"
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Oh, I'm not arguing about their romantic involvment, that much is clear. What is not clear (for me at leat) is whatever it was Maya or "Amiokay". Maya might have just inherited those memories. I also think people are blowing Maya's "emotionlessness" out of proportion. She's a stoic character, always was and now after god knows how many resets she adopted a philisophy of "minimal emotional involment" and "energy conseration". I'm not really putting any evidince, I'm just make a hypothisys based on the assumtion that stuff was said for a reason.
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JohnnyRazer
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Just to make it clear, it was some bad wording from me
Of course I didn't mean it like totally emotionless, and also used "reserved" to describe it, which suits better I think.After playing this game, a lot of other games I used to play here, became quite boring...
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Selebus facepalmed me when I shared the answer with you, and that shame is equivalent to god himself calling me a cuck to my face, so I deleted it. Can't remember where I found it, just that it pops up throughout the game I think. If I'm allowed to give you a hint to point you in the right direction, the word USER is part of it. Good luck!
JohnnyRazer
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Imagine how it feels for poor Yumi!
She has an entire early lewd scene dedicated to it, though it doesn't outright confirm a relationship and doesn't work like the typical lewd scene stat wise or animation wise and she IS shown with her emotions on full display in that scene. This scene is what started my theory, then came the rest of the supporting evidence. I agree on the scene, it was one of the best. This update didn't have too many emotional moments, more happy scenes than previous updates and only one 'happy' scene. Another good one was the spin the bottle scene, which I specifically quoted from in the spoilers a page or two ago. Molly was a freaking riot in that scene.I think it's closer to a fact now. A lot of happy scenes hint on that, especially the last one. And while I think it's more of a nightmarish delusion, I suppose it mixes memories of the old Sensei with weird shit happening in the head of player Sensei. Or there's a slight possibility that they are one man, who after some tramautic experience gone nuts and closed his memories under a seal. But again, speculations...
Heh, all this talk about cycles and loops and weird shit reminded me a little about light novel Utsuro no Haku (or The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria). Anyway, I just wanted to say that scene with green scarf despite it's briefness was one of the best in this update. I don't know how Selebus keeps exceeding himself in terms of storytelling every time. Like, is there a limit for this man? Guess I'll have to subscribe next year
Or maybe he'll be satisfied with high-fives?
Entirely possible, maybe she is the reason all the weird shit is going down, a consequence of messing with forces beyond her understanding, perhaps. I don't think she was an instigator in the demise of old Sensei, but a bystander who, out of her feelings for him, refused to accept the loss and tried to bring him back.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Or Selebus is a hack-fraud and making it up as he goes along
We try, though I do use them only when there is an actual piece of in game information in my comment. Theories are just that, they won't affect the experience unless they are confirmed.Quickly wanna say a BIG thanks to everyone that bothers to put the spoilers or the blurs! Still in the middle of playing the game at the moment, but I do like to read the comments since this is a nice group of peeps!
She essentially fits a small gap between two different anime tropes, the kuudere and the tsundere. She gets the kuudere for her stoic nature, since kuuderes show little to no emotion except around the one they love, which as I said may not be her real personality given the early scenes that appear to be of her prior to the Sensei shift, and the tsundere for her constant bashing of Sensei. Then again, if her bashing is a result of her awareness of this not being the person she knew, that may not fit into tsundere because of how tsundere works, hiding their real feelings behind a grouchy and violent facade. Combined, you have a tsundere/kuudere hybrid that shows little emotion, but hides her true feelings behind her constant bashing of the person those feelings are directed toward, Sensei. If this was your goal, Selebus, well done, I don't think I've ever seen a hybrid of those two tropes. Ami is starting to show signs of being a yandere, or worse, a yangire, so putting Maya through those things isn't out of the realm of possibility. In fact, really hate to say it, but she fits EXTREMELY well as a potential murder suspect in the case of old Sensei.
Here's how I think it might have played out. Maya confesses to old Sensei. They hook up and take their relationship to at least a non-penetrative sexual level. Ami, who has feelings for old Sensei as well, finds out. Ami confronts Maya and makes her do things. Old Sensei finds out, ruining Ami's plan as well as any chance of winning him over, so Ami takes the ultimate step and plans to kill old Sensei so no one else can have him, a typical yandere move. Ami lures old Sensei to the roof and pushes him off with Maya witnessing his fall. Maya closes herself off emotionally to keep this from happening again. Ami goes back to doing whatever now that her target is dead. Maya, in her grief, tries something forbidden to try and bring old Sensei back. Player Sensei, that's us, gets isekaied to the game world. Ami encounters player Sensei in class, then Maya outside. Maya realizes the man in front of her is not the man she loved, and that's where we are now with Maya since we basically haven't moved very far with her yet.
Keep in mind the above is only theory unless confirmed. On a different note, would have been reverse netori if Ami had succeeded?
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The temptation is too real
Yumi's one of my favorite characters in the game, and I have newfound respect for Molly every since her drunk scene in the last public update...hoping that January (and the public patch) will come soon