Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

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derekthered56 said:
I'm a little iffy on this part. Sekai adapts remarkably quickly to Ami utterly ruining all their lives for someone who really believes that consequences exist. Unless Ami is warping her behavior somehow to fit her deranged sitcom fantasy.
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What do you mean Ami is warping it? If she was able to have actual control over anything she's be having sex with Akira.

I agree that Sekai's reaction was a bit strange, but then again, Sekai's a whole can of worms. Abused at home, light prostitution (possibly), abused by husband, pedophile, married her victim, recruited victims for new husband, supporter of her daughter having sex with her father... Add to that the implied gods talking in her head since birth, I can say she has some latitude in behaving as if Ami killing someone with a knife is an inconvenience rather than something to lose her head over.

Still strange though, but maybe she too knows a bit about what's going on (as many of the girls do at times).
 
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Moonflare said:
What do you mean Ami is warping it? If she was able to have actual control over anything she's be having sex with Akira.
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I vaguely remember Ami using cute girl magic to manipulate Io, Uta, and Akira in one of the good uncle events. Still not sure if that was a one-off or indicating that she does have supernatural powers; and if so, what the limits on that are.
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I agree that Sekai's reaction was a bit strange, but then again, Sekai's a whole can of worms. Abused at home, light prostitution (possibly), abused by husband, pedophile, married her victim, recruited victims for new husband, supporter of her daughter having sex with her father... Add to that the implied gods talking in her head since birth, I can say she has some latitude in behaving as if Ami killing someone with a knife is an inconvenience rather than something to lose her head over.

Still strange though, but maybe she too knows a bit about what's going on (as many of the girls do at times).
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Hard to say how Sekai "should" act but we do see in Kyoto that she does actually get stressed.
 
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derekthered56 said:
I vaguely remember Ami using cute girl magic to manipulate Io, Uta, and Akira in one of the good uncle events. Still not sure if that was a one-off or indicating that she does have supernatural powers; and if so, what the limits on that are.
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Might just be Ami being really good at flirting when she wants to be manipulative, if she retains memories between resets (Which I'm very sure she does) then it'd make sense she has a lot of experience, especially given that, according to Maya, Ami has had Akira on a few occasions. Doesn't necesarilly have to be magic, just bear in mind that Sekai has been described as a master manipulator on multiple occasions and she's often whispering into Ami's ear.

Also kind of anecdotal but names are often started by the first letter of the father, me and my brother both take my father's and grandad's first letter. You can see this sort of thing a lot in media too, Game of Thrones did it a lot.
 
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derekthered56 said:
Hard to say how Sekai "should" act but we do see in Kyoto that she does actually get stressed.
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Might sound strange to put it this way, but I think "Kyoto" would be much harsher on Sekai than Ami killing someone.

Just hear me out: Sekai was pregnant during Kyoto, her life and the life of her child hinged on Akira's decision. It was the first time in years she chose to dare and try to reach for an actual happy life.

The Sekai from the happy ending already has been living that happy life for 15 years. 15 years of trauma-free life, the life she always wanted. Even if everything went bananas then, she lived a dream for such a long time. All that being said, Sekai does react badly to what Ami did, and then goes away as to not deal with it.

Anyway, I'm really playing devil's advocate here, as her reaction is strange no matter how we put it.
Budoop said:
Interesting that Sekai and Ami both called Akira her dad, as in biological dad during the last resets fuckery phase.
Feel like a decent amount of people knew this way earlier but Akira barely adressed it at the time.
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What do you mean? That Ami is his biological daughter? If so, yes. It certainly doubles as evidence in favor of that.
derekthered56 said:
I vaguely remember Ami using cute girl magic to manipulate Io, Uta, and Akira in one of the good uncle events. Still not sure if that was a one-off or indicating that she does have supernatural powers; and if so, what the limits on that are.
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I'm unfamiliar with the good uncle route. But Ami does seem to know some of Akira's triggers (as in slip triggers). She uses one of them on him (presumably) when they're alone after her fight with Ayane and Maya.
 
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Moonflare said:
I'm unfamiliar with the good uncle route. But Ami does seem to know some of Akira's triggers (as in slip triggers). She uses one of them on him (presumably) when they're alone after her fight with Ayane and Maya.
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It's during the chapter 3 event "Robin Hood". Io and Uta are about to comment on Ami being too open with the whole incest thing, then there's a bit of static and they start droning about how normal Ami is. It struck me as intentional on Ami's part. It doesn't really seem like triggering them to slip, but more like how mentioning resets sends people into NPC mode.
 
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daagagsdgd said:
I guess my previous comment on Niki was somehow neglected? Shouldn't reply on night. Anyway I'm inclined to reiterate it since I'd like to hear your thoughts.

So, in Ad Meliora main event, we met Himawari The girl with blue eyes again pretending to be Sana. And after that she tried to warn us that perhaps not everyone Akira encountered is real. Which brought me to some thoughts, especially considering she pointed out two people share strong connecting with Akira's past.
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And truth to be told, to some extent, I didn't believe anyone from Akira's past to be "real" from scratch, with exception of Maya (only I believe that Ami is Maya?). Neither is sister in law of Akira called Sekai in reality as some pot plant said in the beach. I mean it's obvious that Sekai—World is not a common name on anyone.

The authenticity of Niki is further questioned when I surprisingly stumbled upon a line with similiar ending in Hand of God where Yasu posessed by Hope Pareidolia finally lost all his patience and ranted mockery on all hypocrisy Akira ever did.

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Niki also gave me a vibe of surplus, something too dreamy. And Akira's past, to sum up, is a story of endless fake substitutes trying to cover his holes. That's why I always find it hard to treat Noriko or Niki as essential as Ami or Maya.
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(Ad Meliora)
From what I am seeing, Himawari was deflecting Sensei's pressing question. She was avoiding his efforts in trying to dig up more about who or what she is rather than actually giving subtle hints on how Ami or Niki may not be real. Moreover, the way Himawari brought these two girls up was neither exclusive or on-to-something enough. For example, I can paraphrase what Himiwari said into:
"That Nodoka girl is really suspicious at times, don't you think?"
"And what about Makoto? A convenient secretary slash teacher's pet who's also your personal sex toy that never gave up on you after all those blackmailing? Get real."
"Why thinking I am weird when absolutely everything else surrounding you has been weirdly convenient, and also just plain weird?"

Most importantly, iirc this is the only piece that may have suggested how unreal Niki or Ami is, and there are a lot more scenes that suggest otherwise. When Himawari didn't elaborate more on what she meant exactly in tangible specifics, and when there currently isn't any other scene that suggests the same thing (i.e., Niki may not be real for example), then trusting Niki's existence being real has a much higher chance of being correct.

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I am not sure how you consider this as a supporting information. Assuming Niki is not real doesn't really shed new lights on that mysteriously vile rant, regardless of knowing who RETARDED VIRGIN CUNT the god inside Yasu that night was insinuating.
 
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From the post I made speculating about who the prologue narrator was, what if Pareidolia IS a version of Himawari that came to be when the resets started ocurring, who fell into the well and got corrupted?
Also, I just noticed the reference to worms, when did they start? Maybe I glossed them over, but I thought they started during the event where Ami (unintentionally) scissored Sensei.
 
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Moonflare said:
I'd rather you shared with the class, because as I recall the general idea is that she was raped. If you have a better guess, please go ahead.

And regarding wanting Selebus to pick it up, not really. He already spent his time with it once, I don't read LiL because of Imani. Events for each update are limited, I'd much rather he focused on other stuff, especially after a reset.
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It is not really a bit mystery, just think of racist guys who want to humiliate their female naked victim, what could they do to hurt and humiliate her? We already have the writing, so that already fails to answer the question, it cant be anything to give her any permanent damage, because that happened later with the water. And the more i think about it, the more i am sure that actual sex wasnt part of it. Well either that or Sel did overlook what this would have ment. Or do you really think the guys in that situation would have used condoms? And then is the still the brother in the room. I mean in the end he got help iirc, so there was still a decent human beeind somewhere deep down in there. Am i suppose to believe he would have stayed there and watch while they all take a turn? Nah. I dont buy it.

I could be wrong and you are right and gangrape was what happened. But then i think Sel could have handled that situation better. Because that just isnt the vibe i got from this. It also wouldnt really fit her character. And let me elaborate on that a bit. Iirc she was always quite flirty towards akira. But of course there was always the break she put on, understandable because of her scars and been afraid of rejection because of them. Only if she was gangraped at such a young age together with the scars. Then the whole thing becomes less understandable. Trauma from betrayal, gangrape and scaring, together with his huge body covering scar would let her act very differently toward sex.

And now that i thought about it, maybe that is the reason he actually did leave it ambiguous. For those who just want to think a gangrape was what happened, they could do it, but it wouldnt let her character feel inconsistentto her backstory.

If that makes sense to you.
 
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Just want to throw in some different view on the "Maya might not belong in ""our"" or whatever timeline".

I don't really remember what Ami exactly said back then, but with what was brought up here, and WHAT i remember, i do think there is some room for alternative ideas.

And i think it's possible that Ami meant by "Maya doesn't belong into her (Ami's) reality or whatever", is, that she means new Maya specifically.
Not Maya, as in "All Mayas", in all timelines/realities.

One possibility is, that in the pre "Times New Roman" halloween event, Ami was the one who made things go as they did.
She might have planned the whole thing, just to get rid of OG Maya.
I still think it's possible that grown up Sana might have been Ami, in Times New Roman
and through that she coaxed Akira into having sex with Maya even.

We see Ami? still alive and kicking later, a bit hidden next to Akira.
And there's also Himawari with a couple of Ami copies.

So, i don't think it's a far stretch to say that Ami had this all planned to get rid of (our) Maya, and she didn't think Maya would come back in any way.
Though, she did. New Maya/Maya light appeared, and Ami does not seem to be amused. Hence the "Scary Room" pt2 event.

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LoveRedHairedGirl said:
Excuse me, are you implying that Himawari is a boy in our universe?:HideThePain:
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The only girl in LiL is Ayane. This is why Himawary was against turning into her this much

Every other character is a cute femboy. Sensei thinks they are girls because of same filter which was preventing him to hear his name / etc
 
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JelF547 said:
The only girl in LiL is Ayane. This is why Himawary was against turning into her this much

Every other character is a cute femboy. Sensei thinks they are girls because of same filter which was preventing him to hear his name / etc
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I wanna know why Akira never noticed or felt dicks then.
But does that mean... the larger breasts, the larger bananas? Then what about moms and the whole side cast in general?
 
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