Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[alex2011]

No, it's not. Even assuming one understands that Rin is pining for Chika, going for the latter is not the betrayal of the former in itself. As long as you do not promise Rin anything - and you do not until you do her events - you are not breaking anything, since there isn't any promise to break. And since Rin didn't trust you with her feeling in the first place, you can't betray that trust by fingering Chika.

Of course, you do end up betraying that trust later, when you advance the plot and Rin does share her feelings, but before that, even though you/Sensei are already in a relationship with Chika, Rin was not betrayed.

Yes, it is. She trusted you, collective you, not to go after Chika before she could try. You did it anyway. That constitutes betrayal. The warnings were easily accessible as was the knowledge of her crush, the only way not to see them before betraying Rin is to purposely skip that event until it is too late. It is a player triggered scene, which means you, collective you, have to go to its location, the same with the event that constitutes a betrayal if you do it before the beach event, Schadenfreude. Both require player interaction to trigger, which means a conscious choice has to be made to proceed anyway. Conscious choice means betrayal. Also, as with most games, not seeing an event doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't happen.

Was wondering when someone would notice this


I'm really glad you're enjoying it so far. There is still so much to tell and I'm excited to have you along for the ride.

I figure not many have done the nice uncle run yet. I have an up to date save with all the bad-anything (homie, uncle, same-age-friend) decisions made.
Now onto making the most minimal game-changing decisions made possible walkthrough. Its clear that you can't proceed without some scumbagery, like Yumi's first game-changing event, but I bet I can continue the "main story" to a degree without seeing events like "still young" or "the need to hurt" etc.

Out of all of the possibilities though, the hardest decision is probably whether or not fucking Sara when Sana is in the other room. On one hand, she is possibly the best bet on a decent sexual relationship for Sensei. Single, same age, horny, comes with a cute prospect of a step-daughter.
The only problem is the whole "bang her drunk with her daughter whose smile you want to protect in the next room" starting point.
In fact, I think this is the first question I ever asked: Am I going to royally fuck up things with Sana for starting something with Sara?
The sole hint of something going on with Ayane made her cry ffs.

I didn't, but I haven't played a run without touching Ami, so yeah. As far as continuing without certain events, yes, as long as the events you skip aren't a trigger for a main event, a 'happy' scene event, a different event on the same character that acts as a trigger, or a different character's event and that girl's affection level isn't a trigger. Main events, obviously, can also not be skipped, only character events and 'happy' scene events to a slight degree.

I am impressed by writing quality, plot and speed of development (maybe later I will write review). After reading this topic, I assume the author already has a vision of the entire game. Is it known what percentage of project is already done and how many years will it take to finish?

Selebus has mentioned we may not even be 5% done as of 0.11.0 and it will likely take multiple years in that case, at least 3 if I had to guess.

 

[thefetussundae]

We still have about 8 characters who haven't been introduced, not counting side characters. I'd guess at least 2 more years before the current route is done, and that's assuming no delays (which is almost impossible on a project of this scope with a single developer).

Honestly just enjoy the journey, you aren't going to see any resolutions for a while yet.

 

[alex2011]

We still have about 8 characters who haven't been introduced, not counting side characters. I'd guess at least 2 more years before the current route is done, and that's assuming no delays (which is almost impossible on a project of this scope with a single developer).

Honestly just enjoy the journey, you aren't going to see any resolutions for a while yet.

Not to mention this won't be a totally linear game and the route we are on now won't be the only one in the future. He's just focusing on it to A) Get the story fleshed out on this one route to maintain quality and B) to get the story fleshed out so that he knows how it will change in other routes. He has hinted at already having plans for some or even all of it, but it is good to get the initial route done to use as a base to work from.

 

[TheDominican911]

Is there a way to delete all data and start from zero?

 

[Deleted member 1697433]

Is there a way to delete all data and start from zero?

There is no persistent data in the game so just starting a new one through the main menu is the equivalent to starting from zero.

I am impressed by writing quality, plot and speed of development (maybe later I will write review). After reading this topic, I assume the author already has a vision of the entire game. Is it known what percentage of project is already done and how many years will it take to finish?

Let’s just say there is a veeeeeeery long way to go. I mentioned it way early on in the thread (After the first release) that there would be no way this game would be anywhere under 100 hours by the time it’s finished. People probably thought I was crazy at the time, but given that I’ve written like 3+ Harry Potter books worth of text in the last 9 months, I think people might finally be starting to believe me.

 

[Deleted member 313508]

Let’s just say there is a veeeeeeery long way to go. I mentioned it way early on in the thread (After the first release) that there would be no way this game would be anywhere under 100 hours by the time it’s finished. People probably thought I was crazy at the time, but given that I’ve written like 3+ Harry Potter books worth of text in the last 9 months, I think people might finally be starting to believe me.

If you've got the story and the vision, keep it comin'!

 

[DrFree]

I think people might finally be starting to believe me.

Praise be.

 

[alex2011]

There is no persistent data in the game so just starting a new one through the main menu is the equivalent to starting from zero.

Let’s just say there is a veeeeeeery long way to go. I mentioned it way early on in the thread (After the first release) that there would be no way this game would be anywhere under 100 hours by the time it’s finished. People probably thought I was crazy at the time, but given that I’ve written like 3+ Harry Potter books worth of text in the last 9 months, I think people might finally be starting to believe me.

Some people might still think you're crazy for attempting a game that big alone. I just think it's a bold move to attempt such a feat, go for it and amaze us. There won't be a single jaw off the floor by the time this thing is done.

 

[cckerberos]

Also, as with most games, not seeing an event doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't happen.

You keep saying this, but I would both dispute that this is true of "most games" and note that it is pretty clearly not true of this one.

 

[cckerberos]

Also, congrats to Selebus for breaking $6k.

 

[alex2011]

You keep saying this, but I would both dispute that this is true of "most games" and note that it is pretty clearly not true of this one.

I would dispute that, regardless of the state of events that go unseen, the players that fail to heed the warning, either by seeing and not listening to it or not seeing it at all, had the chance to see it and do as it says and did not take that chance. With the exception of events with automatic triggers, usually main and 'happy' scene events, the player is responsible for taking the action necessary to gather the needed information to make the correct decision for their intended play through, not the game.

Also, congrats to Selebus for breaking $6k.

Indeed, and may that number continue to rise for the foreseeable future and maybe beyond. It's kind of crazy to think we're already looking at the possibility that he'll manage literally everything he set out to do, both in the base plan and stuff he set aside as possible additions in stretch goals. I would love to see that happen.

 

[Dringar]

I'm enjoying the game but man I am struggling with getting Main Quest line items to trigger. I'm almost at day 500 and I still cant get Rewrite to trigger
Ugh

 

[DrFree]

I'm enjoying the game but man I am struggling with getting Main Quest line items to trigger. I'm almost at day 500 and I still cant get Rewrite to trigger
Ugh

You must be registered to see the links

You need to have seen Secret 2 and 4, Takoyaki and Recall.

 

[anoterfuckingmaster]

ok im stuck and unless im deaf the number im getting isnt working.

nvm went back through the thread also realized i had a screen shot of the ip from before.

 

[Smol Dragon]

the game broke on me, I took a few days away from it and when I came back I got this something weird

[I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/script.rpy", line 3, in script
init -20 python:
File "game/script.rpy", line 4, in <module>
import discord_rpc
ImportError: No module named discord_rpc

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "game/script.rpy", line 3, in script
init -20 python:
File "C:\Users\Logan\Downloads\LessonsInLove0.11.0-0.11.0-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "C:\Users\Logan\Downloads\LessonsInLove0.11.0-0.11.0-pc\renpy\python.py", line 2028, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "game/script.rpy", line 4, in <module>
import discord_rpc
ImportError: No module named discord_rpc

Windows-7-6.1.7601-SP1
Ren'Py 7.3.5.606

Sat Dec 26 22:40:14 2020}

 

[Ankoku]

the game broke on me, I took a few days away from it and when I came back I got this something weird

[I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/script.rpy", line 3, in script
init -20 python:
File "game/script.rpy", line 4, in <module>
import discord_rpc
ImportError: No module named discord_rpc

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "game/script.rpy", line 3, in script
init -20 python:
File "C:\Users\[NAME]\Downloads\LessonsInLove0.11.0-0.11.0-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "C:\Users\[NAME]\Downloads\LessonsInLove0.11.0-0.11.0-pc\renpy\python.py", line 2028, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "game/script.rpy", line 4, in <module>
import discord_rpc
ImportError: No module named discord_rpc

Windows-7-6.1.7601-SP1
Ren'Py 7.3.5.606

Sat Dec 26 22:40:14 2020}

If it gives you the option to ignore that error, it should be fine. Just means discord won't recognize the game. Have you been messing with discord? Only way I can think of it having that problem is either messing with some weird option in discord, or you messing with your python interpreter (which I HIGHLY doubt).

Also, might wanna take your name out of the filepath of that errorlog like I did in my quote of your message.

 

[AgumenticR]

Yes, it is. She trusted you, collective you, not to go after Chika before she could try. You did it anyway.

That's not how it works. Rin doesn't get a shot by default just because she waited for a long time, and so it's not a betrayal to not give her that shot. She might have expected it to happen, but it's an unreasonable expectation - if I expected Selebus to give me half of his Patreon earnings, it wouldn't be a betrayal for him to not give them to me.

 

[DrFree]

That's not how it works. Rin doesn't get a shot by default just because she waited for a long time, and so it's not a betrayal to not give her that shot. She might have expected it to happen, but it's an unreasonable expectation - if I expected Selebus to give me half of his Patreon earning, it wouldn't be a betrayal for him to not give them to me.

Honestly, the only way I can qualify this as a "betrayal" in any way is Sensei not immediately telling Rin that you were already finger deep in her crush. "Oh... sorry, I already made a move on her. I didn't know you liked her" or something.
Of course, I can only justify this if you did Chika's events before you did Rin's.

But honestly, this is all just game play of words. Selebus released the fingering Chika event 2 updates before the beach event on purpose. Moreover, Sensei went straight to fingering her in the event without us knowing he would.

Some say "Oh, you pursued a relationship with her!" but I went in wanting to know her story more, not fingering her. I wasn't given a choice between befriend her and fingering her, just one to finger her or not coming any closer to her.

 

[AgumenticR]

Some say "Oh, you pursued a relationship with her!" but I went in wanting to know her story more, not fingering her. I wasn't given a choice between befriend her and fingering her, just one to finger her or not coming any closer to her.

By Schadenfreude, it should already be exceedingly clear that with every new event, you are going deeper into a relationship with Chika and thus deeper into breaking the promise to Rin. "Oh, but I didn't know that would be the event Sensei starts fingering her instead of listening to her troubles" doesn't really come into it, it's just a convenient threshold - even if nothing sexual happened, you would still be breaking the promise. I honestly thought that threshold might have been the kiss before I checked it.

 

[alex2011]

That's not how it works. Rin doesn't get a shot by default just because she waited for a long time, and so it's not a betrayal to not give her that shot. She might have expected it to happen, but it's an unreasonable expectation - if I expected Selebus to give me half of his Patreon earnings, it wouldn't be a betrayal for him to not give them to me.

It is a betrayal because she specifically asks you to hold off to give her a chance, twice, and player Sensei agrees in that scene, forming the promise that he breaks to become a bad homie if Schadenfreude is triggered before the beach event.

Honestly, the only way I can qualify this as a "betrayal" in any way is Sensei not immediately telling Rin that you were already finger deep in her crush. "Oh... sorry, I already made a move on her. I didn't know you liked her" or something.
Of course, I can only justify this if you did Chika's events before you did Rin's.

But honestly, this is all just game play of words. Selebus released the fingering Chika event 2 updates before the beach event on purpose. Moreover, Sensei went straight to fingering her in the event without us knowing he would.

Some say "Oh, you pursued a relationship with her!" but I went in wanting to know her story more, not fingering her. I wasn't given a choice between befriend her and fingering her, just one to finger her or not coming any closer to her.

Except you don't have to have already done things with Chika to betray Rin, there are at least two paths that lead to it, touching Chika before ever talking to Rin about her crush and talking to Rin about her crush before touching Chika. Doing things at any point when a promise is made is a betrayal. It is an even worse betrayal if he promises not to touch Chika after already having touched Chika because you are literally promising to let her have something you have already taken. Player Sensei is a rotten bastard who takes what he wants with zero hesitation, this has been well established by now. Literally the only thing stopping him is the fact that Schadenfreude is player triggered, meaning you have to go to its location after earning the necessary affection, so of course there is no option to stop him in the middle of the Schadenfreude event, we are not in control once an event begins, he is. This lack of control is a common theme throughout the game and is actually referenced through the fourth wall at least once, meaning direct shots taken at the player, not the character, for thinking control is in the player's hands. The only way to maintain control is to time going to the event locations with the requirements met when you are actually ready. In this case, that means after the beach event.

By Schadenfreude, it should already be exceedingly clear that with every new event, you are going deeper into a relationship with Chika and thus deeper into breaking the promise to Rin. "Oh, but I didn't know that would be the event Sensei starts fingering her instead of listening to her troubles" doesn't really come into it, it's just a convenient threshold - even if nothing sexual happened, you would still be breaking the promise. I honestly thought that threshold might have been the kiss before I checked it.

Precisely, this isn't one of those games where the girl comes onto the MC from the start, every single girl takes time to build up and that build up is obvious. Also, taking into account how readily available the two warnings from Rin are plus the fact she is in love with Chika, the lack of this information on any player's part should be a non issue. It is a player decision not to pursue Rin far enough to see the warnings and the warnings are in what is literally her seventh event, Cafe Mocha, with no sexual or romantic event between the start of the game and that point. They don't even need to pursue Rin romantically or sexually, if not wanting to do her path is the issue, because there is no romantic or sexual pursuit of Rin at this time. She literally has no romantic or sexual path, only two instances of boobs, one of which is just too creepy a situation for even the grand opportunist, player Sensei, himself to take advantage of and the other being a total accident.