alex2011

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Oh, man, we can always count on alex2011 to compose a terrifyingly overwhelming wall of text. I despise emojis with passion, but for the sake of demonstrating that I mean no ill will and just poking fun at you::D. I hope you appreciate the anguish I had to go through to insert this abomination.



Main menu music had me cringing and second guessing my decision to play this game at first, but definitely grew on me since. AsobeatSex2 I like because it has a "twist" to it, like a hint that "something's wrong". beginningoftheend and BlueAir have feels to it and are vaguely associated with some "revelations". I even had them in my dreams once or twice.
I get that a lot and I do try to at least make it easier to read, but sometimes I forget to format it since I'm a little more relaxed on here with that.

There is no if/then statement in the code because there isn't any need for it, since you can't actually reach the beach event without triggering Cafe Mocha. But you don't need an if/then statement to understand that an event didn't happen before it happened.
Actually, yes, you can trigger the beach event without Cafe Mocha having been seen. It is not listed on the trigger list for the very first event that takes place during the beach trip, a group of events that trigger back to back that are collectively called the beach event as they all take place during this trip at the beach that serves as the destination for said trip. The promise is in effect regardless and Schadenfreude having been triggered before this trip is a betrayal.
 

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Actually, yes, you can trigger the beach event without Cafe Mocha having been seen.
It's not directly stated in the event list, but I am fairly sure you can't get Sock Fetish without going through Missing plotline first, and you can't get that without triggering Cafe Mocha.
 

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Given that there is a fan made guide - which you directly refer to - I'm not sure what we have done wrong.
The only change in this area that I would like to see Selebus make in this area would be adding something to the game's introductory text saying that sound is not optional.
 
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It's not directly stated in the event list, but I am fairly sure you can't get Sock Fetish without going through Missing plotline first, and you can't get that without triggering Cafe Mocha.
Sock Fetish is 25+ affection with Rin and is player triggered at the dorm, no mention of any other event, however, you are correct on Missing, it requires Cafe Mocha. That said, the Missing plotline is not required for the beach event. Sock Fetish is required, but it is the only Rin specific event required.

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I'll pop over to my SubscribeStar tab in a second and take a look, but you might already be able to guess my choice already. Hint, my sadistic side is piqued by her mere presence in this picture. Gee, where have I mentioned becoming sadistic before and to what kind of character? :devilish:

Man all this back and forth about puzzles while I'm just asking "who is best girl and why is it Chika?"
I'm sorry, but I think you misspelled Rin. :p Seriously though, my own personal bias on best girl aside, Chika's a good girl, a little too good for her own good sometimes. I like that about her. It tells me she's the type who would do literally anything necessary within her power at the time to help when someone is in need. She'd probably sell her own immune system to cure Chinami if that would help. She knows she can trust Yumi to take care of Chinami if something happens, so that probably isn't an issue. The only real issue stopping her is that it wouldn't help since that's just not how current medical tech works.

The only change in this area that I would like to see Selebus make in this area would be adding something to the game's introductory text saying that sound is not optional.
I mean, that applies to everything except playing the game, so it is kind of redundant.
 

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First time posting on this site, never have commented much on forums but felt the need to this time. I liked this game at first the psychological aspect was interesting and the comedy was actually funny, but after this latest update and it's "puzzle" that's changed.

The "happy" events have always had pointlessly(and often meaninglessly) narrow windows with zero hints; going so far as to not even be necessary(until they are and grind the game to a halt). For the most part these events have meandering trains of thought masquerading as meaningful, often repeating themselves endlessly, as well as some semi-weird imagery(and let's not forget the hex-code for everyone who wants to breakout the calculator). That is until they have information that is REQUIRED to progress, information you have no reason to write down because honestly most of these events are gibberish unless you want to breakout a fucking cypher, so much gibberish in fact that I would often hold down skip because I got the point in the first 5 lines and didn't need the repetition. But what am I saying that accounts for only half of the puzzle, the other half requires sound(great accessibility concern there buddy I'm not deaf but I mute my porn because moans only have so many variations) and a near blind guess(unless you happen to exist in the developers head). I know people on this forum will yell that I should "just pay attention" but no happy event 10 I got literally months ago, I may have even copied the IP at that time and then erased it because IT WASN'T USED ANYWHERE IN THAT UPDATE, and then promptly forgot that line ever existed(just one more bit of gibberish in the mountain of it).

So if you're looking for simple answers to this game just open the guide, the developer or his rabid fanbase seem determined to keep information about the puzzle a secret out of some misguided sense that the player hasn't EARNED IT yet, you know the usual gamer gatekeeping bullshit.

And to the dev, I understand you have your rabid fans and mostly likely don't give a shit about anything resembling meaningful feedback, but clean up your fucking puzzles and take peoples preferences and limitations into account. If I find another puzzle like this in future versions I'm out, and yes I'm aware you probably don't care.
Bro, first you say its just unnecessary gibberish, then say they gave you info you will need later.
Which one is it?
Also, they downright told you to remember and not share it in more than one event.

-A rabid fan that has criticized the secret events.

"Muh gatekeeping" all that is asked is to fucking read. How are we gatekeeping you? Sorry not everything is handed to you on a silver plate.
 
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I mean, that applies to everything except playing the game, so it is kind of redundant.
It really isn't. Many players of the games on here mute everything by default and should be explicitly told that it's a bad idea. Up until the current update, it might have meant a sub-optimal experience from Selebus' perspective, but it was still optional. It is now required to progress.

I've played at least a hundred games here and it's the first time I've encountered anything of the kind. It is not reasonable to assume players understand the importance of sound in the game.
 

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Sock Fetish is 25+ affection with Rin and is player triggered at the dorm, no mention of any other event, however, you are correct on Missing, it requires Cafe Mocha. That said, the Missing plotline is not required for the beach event. Sock Fetish is required, but it is the only Rin specific event required.
Well, I checked the script, and here's a direct quote:
if rin_love >= 25 and rindorm20 == True and rindorm25 == False:
jump rindorm25
Since rindorm25 is Sock Fetish, rindorm20 is Delirium, and you can't trigger that without starting Missing plotline, I am pretty sure you do need Cafe Mocha to get to Sock Fetish and, consequentially, to beach event.
 

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It really isn't. Many players of the games on here mute everything by default and should be explicitly told that it's a bad idea. Up until the current update, it might have meant a sub-optimal experience from Selebus' perspective, but it was still optional. It is now required to progress.

I've played at least a hundred games here and it's the first time I've encountered anything of the kind. It is not reasonable to assume players understand the importance of sound in the game.
I kind of agree. I started playing with music on because, A-after checking with headphones, there are no moans and B-I love the music.
 
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It’s just funny how I released something to intentionally punish people who aren’t paying attention and then they get mad because they weren’t able to cruise through. Like yes, that is the point.
I was only mildly upset i had to have the audio on high enough to make out the words...ear issues and living with other people means you got to play when alone... also the start menu is to damn loud, like stun protestors with a sonic gun loud when the speakers are at 5%. Not really complaints I guess... I have panic attacks caused by starting the game on the home screen more than the game play itself
 
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alex2011

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Bro, first you say its just unnecessary gibberish, then say they gave you info you will need later.
Which one is it?
Also, they downright told you to remember and not share it in more than one event.

-A rabid fan that has criticized the secret events.

"Muh gatekeeping" all that is asked is to fucking read. How are we gatekeeping you? Sorry not everything is handed to you on a silver plate.
Exactly, all we ask is that an effort is made to complete the game using the tools provided by said game.

It really isn't. Many players of the games on here mute everything by default and should be explicitly told that it's a bad idea. Up until the current update, it might have meant a sub-optimal experience from Selebus' perspective, but it was still optional. It is now required to progress.

I've played at least a hundred games here and it's the first time I've encountered anything of the kind. It is not reasonable to assume players understand the importance of sound in the game.
I kind of agree. I started playing with music on because, A-after checking with headphones, there are no moans and B-I love the music.
I've played games that require or use sound in some way to assist the player. That's what audio cues in shooters and similar game types do. We're all gamers here to one extent or another, some obviously more so, no offense to those who aren't, and we should know better than to take away any of our senses in the middle of a game. Not to mention the music, they're missing out on some good stuff if they mute. I actually just recently discovered which track had my favorite in game music and I've had it on loop all night out of the game. Not quite the same, but it is good for the creative flow.

Well, I checked the script, and here's a direct quote:

Since rindorm25 is Sock Fetish, rindorm20 is Delirium, and you can't trigger that without starting Missing plotline, I am pretty sure you do need Cafe Mocha to get to Sock Fetish and, consequentially, to beach event.
Ah, now we're getting deeper into the web, I would love to know how Selebus keeps track of all this for reference because this is not the only case where there is an entire web of events connected in one way or another. I see where you're going with this now. This leaves no excuse for the betrayal of Rin, then, since Cafe Mocha is a distantly required event and contains two warnings not to go after Chika.

Rin's into Otoha. We must choose her dorm to steal Rin back help Rin out.
I'm not so sure she sees Otoha that way, it seems more like a musician/fan relationship than anything else. Plus we have no confirmation she's actually moved on from Chika yet. That stuff needs time and she got it worse than most with her mental illness and the way things played out.

I'm more interested in finding out how the umbrella girl, as I like to call her, knows about things.:oops:
Umbrella girl?

God told her, probably.
Maybe it was HOPE-Sama, maybe she is connected to him.

I was only mildly upset i had to have the audio on high enough to make out the words...ear issues and living with other people means you got to play when alone... also the start menu is to damn loud, like stun protestors with a sonic gun loud when the speakers are at 5%. Not really complaints I guess... I have panic attacks caused by starting the game on the home screen more than the game play itself
It does make me jump occasionally around the system audio 45% range and game audio at default, especially since it loves to not open the game on top of my other open windows. I always use headphones, so privacy isn't an issue, but I might lose an eardrum if this keeps up. Then there was that loud bang that triggered Miku's first panic attack. That made me jump about ten feet, my heart beat like I just got done running a mile, and my ears ring for about five minutes. I learned my lesson after that, NEVER have the system volume above 40% at default game volume levels.
 

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Mostly referring to the posts I found that were screaming at someone for daring to ask for an answer, as well as the people whose answers amounted to "you don't remember every line of dialog you've read since playing the game". Like there weren't even references to where most of the answers would be. Something along the lines of referencing the word trinity for the first two, a reference to music for the third, a reference to numbers for the fourth(seriously I was putting in actual names). The fifth one was at least released and required in THIS update but Christ the rest of that was neither clever(seriously why would I even think layers of Hell for a terminal?) nor satisfying to solve, just felt like work.

And to the dev: fine make your game, honestly did like it before you decided not memorizing a 20+alphanumeric combination from at least a month ago was "not paying attention".
A lot of those responses are caused by people asking questions after downloading leaked Patreon builds (yes, I know this is a pirate site and blah, blah, blah). A lot of people around here would be glad to help others, if they'd just wait a few days to get the game.
 
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Let’s just say there is a veeeeeeery long way to go. I mentioned it way early on in the thread (After the first release) that there would be no way this game would be anywhere under 100 hours by the time it’s finished. People probably thought I was crazy at the time, but given that I’ve written like 3+ Harry Potter books worth of text in the last 9 months, I think people might finally be starting to believe me.

Thanks for answer. I asked not because I am horny teenager who can't wait for complete game but because I have serious concerns that game of this quality will never be finished, which, in my opinion, is possible if project is developed by one person and has estimated time to finish above three years (presumably). Three years is very long period of time considering instability of life. During such long period, life priorities and available time for our activities can radically change. Have you considered hiring additional writers (though I think it will be hard to find one to match your skill) at some point of funding?

Regardless, you are doing a great job and keep it up!
 

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Thanks for answer. I asked not because I am horny teenager who can't wait for complete game but because I have serious concerns that game of this quality will never be finished, which, in my opinion, is possible if project is developed by one person and has estimated time to finish above three years (presumably). Three years is very long period of time considering instability of life. During such long period, life priorities and available time for our activities can radically change. Have you considered hiring additional writers (though I think it will be hard to find one to match your skill) at some point of funding?

Regardless, you are doing a great job and keep it up!
No plans to hire additional writers or anything like that. I’m stubborn and horrible to work with so it would just be a problem in the long run. One thing to note, though, is that this is literally my job now- so it’s not like I could realistically just stop out of nowhere like that without putting myself into a horrible situation.

To anyone skeptical, I simply ask to look at what I’ve done in the last 9 months. I haven’t even delayed an update yet and the flow of content coming out has been very consistent. I busted my ass for over 10 years trying to make a living this way and have no plans on giving that up.
 
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