Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[daagagsdgd]

In a way, they are. You have to remember that, while not really superficial, this is at its core, entertainment of sorts. Sure, entertainment probably isn't a word that you'd want to give to LiL, but, be it in a metaphorical, rhetorical, poetical, theoretical or any other fancy way, it can't really reach too deep.
Also, I'm pretty sure your Twin Peaks comment means you're in Sel's shit list.

Sure, you can say that. I'm well acknowledged on limitness of entertainment. LiL is foremost a parody of everything you'd expect from visual novel. It's not, at any point, an ancient satire like that of Don Quixote. It doesn't have connection to anything and this rootlessness is what labels modern novels. There are enough self-ambivalences in LiL.

And Twin Peaks and David Lynch oops, Selebus really likes this trick heh? Well damn it I'm going to be truthful here. Without a cast of doubt I will truly list Arms Bent Back and Second Sun as the most boring Happy Events. It's just empty and stacking of symbols, totally devoid of vigilance and amazement I get from others. I'm more than willingly to acknowledge Lynch was a master bluffer and mystifier (just take a look on how contorted his sayings were and you'll understand). With his considerable directive skill, he managed to pull the strings of people into believing that they had witnessed bizarre or supernatural happenings. Question at hand is that I just really can't appreciate American Symbolism (yeah I'm not using surrealist cause it's symbolism in every aspect), in the end there is no surface plot (complete smokescreen) but symbols that can be interpreted in anyway you'd like. I think kitsch would be my impression for them since however dreamlike the media is, it's still artificial and can't cover a cycle. Nothing short of intellectual puzzles.

Hold on, isn't it just LiL.........Still, LiL has something genuine in characters and story.

P.S. Lynch and his works are still way better than most of the entertainment we have today. At least there are something to think. No offense to Lynch and may he find eternal peace in his rest.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Gonna be honest man anyone playing a Koikatsu game is a weeabu.
Although as wild as it is I don't like anime.

And that's why the game is as popular as it is. Anytime a new anime comes out 9/10 the girls are going to be made into KK cards. So you can pound that virtual highschooler, with your virtual wiener to your heart's content. Although some people want you to pay an egregious amount of money to access aforementioned cards.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

please, please let this be a conversation with Niki

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[FireCazador]

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Tactical nuke incoming xd
This preview has that hidden potencial to be a very funny event if its well done that's scary. If its alone with Niki it will be good but if Ami goes in public with that would be hilarious xdd

 

[Detective Dc345]

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Her I heart daddy's cock?

 

[ZealotZenithZero]

Am I too late for tier lists? Because here's mine:

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I'm surprised so many people don't like Niki. I thought she was really well done.

A lot of girls sit in the "potential" category because I'm not sure where the story is going with them. Sana is especially all over the place.

Below the potential line are characters that I just don't care about. Futaba gets the worst of it though. I guess something is being setup with her parents but God is it taking forever to get to.

Ami and Nodoka are just grating to me at this point and I flat out don't know anything about Tsukasa because this game sucks without a guide mod.

 

[SlidingSubject]

I think kitsch would be my impression for them since however dreamlike the media is, it's still artificial and can't cover a cycle.

Your cycle mention in particular made me think, have you seen the first season of True Detective? Recently, I've thought that, as "basic" as it may be since the supernatural stuff is kinda and kinda not the main focus, it's an example of people who managed to break the cycle they were trapped in, compared to the Twin Peaks ending, which shows how they are still trapped there.

 

[jclark1337]

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I'm surprised so many people don't like Niki. I thought she was really well done.

A lot of girls sit in the "potential" category because I'm not sure where the story is going with them. Sana is especially all over the place.

Below the potential line are characters that I just don't care about. Futaba gets the worst of it though. I guess something is being setup with her parents but God is it taking forever to get to.

Ami and Nodoka are just grating to me at this point and I flat out don't know anything about Tsukasa because this game sucks without a guide mod.

I resonated a ton with Niki's story and shes definitely up there for me too. I haven't felt the need to make a tier list tho

Ahh reached chapter 3 and Niki's first event What It Takes To Move Forward and wow I continue to be astonished at how much I resonate with the philosophical themes of this story on a daily level.

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I found myself silently laughing at Sensei's dead inside expression here; like he's either extremely tired, unimpressed, desensitized, or simply had enough of these religious BS that every person/entity constantly bombarded him with all these years.

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[daagagsdgd]

Your cycle mention in particular made me think, have you seen the first season of True Detective? Recently, I've thought that, as "basic" as it may be since the supernatural stuff is kinda and kinda not the main focus, it's an example of people who managed to break the cycle they were trapped in, compared to the Twin Peaks ending, which shows how they are still trapped there.

I don't watch a lot of TV shows so sorry I haven't seen it. I agree with you that Twin Peaks is a story about breaking the cycle. All of the other stuffs are simply divergents and tangents, they're not the main thing. Embrace yourself.

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So yeah I'm generally satisfied with main story of Twin Peaks as that of Evangelion. It's the smokescreen fillers and lack of artistic and genuine expression made me angry. Why mystifying something like that?

 

[Detective Dc345]

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[LoveRedHairedGirl]

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She's still not blonde

 

[Yarazin]

Why, why, why do we need another fng Nodokathon?!

I haven't been paying much attention to the thread since I believe the stomach ache bs right after fan fest but I think I am just losing interest in the mysteries and the bigger picture. So frustrated with all the fake outs and Sels obsession with stuff like Nodokathon. He is definitely making me at least think about canceling my sub.

Don't get me wrong, I still love most the characters and listen to my favorite music from the game almost every day, but damn he is killing the enjoyment for anything new.

Ok rant over for now.

Edit: Forgot to add that I'm sick of Sekai, Nodoka, Tsubasa, and evil Ami.

 

[crustlord12]

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[LessonsInDissonance]

I am a couple of games away from finishing the entire Rance saga, and it's quite interesting to see the contrast in how differently girls are treated in every adult game.
In LiL we care about their well being, and in other games their feelings don't matter to the point where you actively want to hurt them just so you can jork it.
When I'm playing as Sensei every girl matters, but when I'm playing as Rance the instant I see any moderately attractive woman I do everything I can to fuck her even if it's against their will.
So what prompts you to care in one scenario and to not care in the other?
Being the eyes of the protagonist, are we swayed into adopting their mentality?
Is it because the author tells you to care/not care?
Maybe we are just puppets that dance according to the rules established in every different reality, without even realizing it.
The goal of Rance and most other games is to jork it and rape as much as you want,
but what is the goal of LiL?
To make you grow as a person?
To make you accept yourself?
To break you?
Or maybe it's just another game to jork it with extra steps?

 

[thebadpastor]

Hopefully this Nodokathon will at least be less boring with Sensei being involved. I just hope it's not too long lol

 

[SmallsMalone]

I am a couple of games away from finishing the entire Rance saga, and it's quite interesting to see the contrast in how differently girls are treated in every adult game.
In LiL we care about their well being, and in other games their feelings don't matter to the point where you actively want to hurt them just so you can jork it.
When I'm playing as Sensei every girl matters, but when I'm playing as Rance the instant I see any moderately attractive woman I do everything I can to fuck her even if it's against their will.
So what prompts you to care in one scenario and to not care in the other?
Being the eyes of the protagonist, are we swayed into adopting their mentality?
Is it because the author tells you to care/not care?
Maybe we are just puppets that dance according to the rules established in every different reality, without even realizing it.
The goal of Rance and most other games is to jork it and rape as much as you want,
but what is the goal of LiL?
To make you grow as a person?
To make you accept yourself?
To break you?
Or maybe it's just another game to jork it with extra steps?

My two cents is that it's all about the depth of the character's portrayal, the stakes of the setting and amount of time and effort spent making the pain of the characters into something meaningfully tactile.

 

[thebadpastor]

I am a couple of games away from finishing the entire Rance saga, and it's quite interesting to see the contrast in how differently girls are treated in every adult game.
In LiL we care about their well being, and in other games their feelings don't matter to the point where you actively want to hurt them just so you can jork it.
When I'm playing as Sensei every girl matters, but when I'm playing as Rance the instant I see any moderately attractive woman I do everything I can to fuck her even if it's against their will.
So what prompts you to care in one scenario and to not care in the other?
Being the eyes of the protagonist, are we swayed into adopting their mentality?
Is it because the author tells you to care/not care?
Maybe we are just puppets that dance according to the rules established in every different reality, without even realizing it.
The goal of Rance and most other games is to jork it and rape as much as you want,
but what is the goal of LiL?
To make you grow as a person?
To make you accept yourself?
To break you?
Or maybe it's just another game to jork it with extra steps?

Probably a lot of things. I imagine just the way the game is written - the introspective nature of Sensei, the themes and how well developed the girls are - is a big reason. I don't really care if I'm forcing a cartoon character who's had like 3 lines of dialogue or less and pretty much just exists for sex scenes but it's a bit different when it's a character I've seen developing over the course of like, 100+ hours and who has her own actual story and a personality I genuinely like. And yeah, the mood is obviously different when there's a bunch of religious or philosophical stuff all around it or Sensei's brain is melting or whatever versus what's typical in a lot of porn games.

I've never played Rance specifically, though, so I can't make direct comparisons to that series if it's similarly written.

Honestly I just don't even really view LiL as a porn game at this point - though I'm not arguing the characterisation wouldn't technically be accurate - I'm on my third playthrough and I haven't beat off to anything lol

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

I'm on my third playthrough and I haven't beat off to anything lol

the fuck

 

[SlidingSubject]

I am a couple of games away from finishing the entire Rance saga, and it's quite interesting to see the contrast in how differently girls are treated in every adult game.
In LiL we care about their well being, and in other games their feelings don't matter to the point where you actively want to hurt them just so you can jork it.
When I'm playing as Sensei every girl matters, but when I'm playing as Rance the instant I see any moderately attractive woman I do everything I can to fuck her even if it's against their will.
So what prompts you to care in one scenario and to not care in the other?
Being the eyes of the protagonist, are we swayed into adopting their mentality?
Is it because the author tells you to care/not care?
Maybe we are just puppets that dance according to the rules established in every different reality, without even realizing it.
The goal of Rance and most other games is to jork it and rape as much as you want,
but what is the goal of LiL?
To make you grow as a person?
To make you accept yourself?
To break you?
Or maybe it's just another game to jork it with extra steps?

I'm not much into big words, so I'll try to keep it short. It's because of the perception and expectatives the game sets. In both cases you start as someone guided by their instincts. But, and I like that you mentioned Rance, both games start to deviate from the formula little by little. You see it "more quickly" in LiL because the update time is short. But (apparently due to the writer changing sometimes) you can also see that gradual shift in Rance.
Of course, since Rance is mostly a game in a wider world, it's hidden beneath the lore and the story of each game, but Rance's priorities slowly shift, though his core stays the same (though you could say he did change his priorities a little bit, after dying). That could be said to be the difference between Rance and Sensei, since while Sensei's priorites slowly shift, the goal (to me) is to change his core (a goal which the broader environment he inhabits takes a special interest in), while Rance is gradually changed by his own actions and his environment, though the latter doesn't really hold him in any special regard (shut up Planner, you were overruled, you can't kill him).

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LiL can be used to jork it, I'm sure there's a few persons like the one depicted above that do, and I'm sure there's people who can't really find material or sufficient downtime to actually do it, or bother to do it. I think that, like all games, it just tells a story. And like all stories, it's up to you whether to hold it in any kind of regard, or just consume it as such stories are meant to be consumed. Callously.