Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[TheGoodPastor]

I mean, I don't really think it's suspicious they're all smitten with him, that in itself isn't really weird. He's ostensibly attractive and also the only dude most of them know lol more to the point she's not part of his class and only really interacts with a few girls in the music club really, there's not much reason to think she knows they're all obsessed with him or anything.

All she really knows on that end is that Rin likes him a lot, and that Rin's not super rational or level-headed when it comes to that kind of thing. The format of the message was confessioney too so the context wouldn't make her think there was an ongoing thing happening but rather the opposite. And on top of that there's also the fact that she'd just pinched his phone real quick at a bar with him and some other mutual friends so it's not a great environment to be snooping through his whole phone, and then there's the privacy aspect which doesn't just apply to Sensei but all her other friends too - could be Sensei nudes on the phone, or Imani, personal stuff with her other friends, whatever

I'm not necessarily disagreeing mind but it doesn't really strain my suspension of disbelief to think she flicked through Rin's messages and headed right off in shock/panic to set her daughter straight.

 

[Moonflare]

She had his phone for a very long time. Both before and after the talk with Rin. At the very least for the rest of the night. I'm just saying I'd be more satisfied if there was an explanation of why she couldn't go beyond Rin's messages (like it died or she couldn't open it again because it locked after she exited the conversation).

When she has the talk with Akira, that could be the answer to his "did you look through my phone", Rika could have been like "no, your cellphone died. But I wouldn't anyway!" and such.

The whole thing is very forced tbh, Akira happens to leave his phone open on the exact moment Rin sends him the video and that Rika is just by to pick it up. Again, it's not like I'm putting forward it is bad writing, but it definitely isn't solid either. Usually these coincidences happen because they're a repeat of what has already happened, but for this one, idk. I feel like Rika could have had sex with Akira for other reasons than "better me than my daughter".

 

[Bingoogus]

I guess. You make some good points, given who Rika is and that she's also friends with Akira, and that she has messed their relationship once already.

But, again, if it were me there'd be no chance in hell I wouldn't scroll through the entire cellphone of a 30 year old dude that my 15 year old daughter sent a masturbation video to. Especially given that all girls seem to be smitten with him, and that he's their teacher.

It's way too suspicious already, and way too easy to simply look when you're already in their cellphone - there'd be literally no repercussion, he wouldn't be able to tell if she saw one or all of his messages.

Two things:

One, i think you're not accounting for your bias enough, you know what Akira is, does she? If it hasn't even occurred to her to suspect something, she is an airhead after all, then wouldn't it be an illogical leap for her to go from 'my daughter is hitting on this guy' to 'and he's probably fucking his students!'... seems like an absurd leap to me, sure, some people might make it, but Rika?

Two, what did she do? She read it, freaked, and went straight for Rin, she wasn't thinking of Akira, she was in a panic and completely tunnel-visioned on her daughter... maybe she'd have thought to do it after, but i've been in situations aplenty where you get so hyperfocused on one thing that your eyes may as well be pinhole cameras...

Edit: actually, a third... i don't think you're accounting for the fact that some people really do just respect each others privacy, either due to disinterest or honor. I can understand the urge to snoop, but i've long had the impression that most people feel that urge far far stronger than i ever have.

 

[jclark1337]

Honestly all it would take would be a mention of an auto lock or something. She read the message and it popped up on the notification screen and then she couldn't view any more. Regardless, the effect of the scene works for it's intended purpose imo

 

[Bingoogus]

Here's your answer, it's mostly point three:

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Your disbelief i think is mostly just based on you being differently minded Mooney, you'd snoop, so you can't understand someone who wouldn't, it seems absurd to you. That's ok, i'm not judging... though i wouldn't leave my phone unlocked around you

 

[Moonflare]

I get that it's a joke, but I'm a very respectful person. I don't go snooping around people's phones, and more often than not I tend to keep to myself and not involve myself in other people's issues. The reason I bring this up is that this isn't that simple of a matter.

Spoiler: a matter of parenting

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This isn't a huge thing for me, but it's one of those things that I, as a reader, have to take at face value and just accept that Rika and Rie chose to act as big dumb dumbs this time.

 

[Bingoogus]

I get that it's a joke, but I'm a very respectful person. I don't go snooping around people's phones, and more often than not I tend to keep to myself and not involve myself in other people's issues. The reason I bring this up is that this isn't that simple of a matter.

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This isn't a huge thing for me, but it's one of those things that I, as a reader, have to take at face value and just accept that Rika and Rie chose to act as big dumb dumbs this time.

Very very very much a joke Mooney... as for the rest, agree to disagree, i find it adequately believable for Rika to do what she did.

 

[jclark1337]

I agree that in a realistic scenario Akira would be found out in that situation and tbh narratively I think we all feel the shoe is going to drop sooner or later. This would probably be a great time for it to happen in some respects, but Bingoogus is right that for Rika in particular I'm willing to suspend my disbelief that she just blindly trusts Akira here.

 

[shmurfer]

She'd never suspect Akira of wrongdoing, he's the one that showed her the ropes.

 

[SlidingSubject]

This whole conversation made me remember a scene.

Spoiler: ASPIRIN

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Anyway, the word of the day could wrap this up pretty nicely. Perception!

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

I get that it's a joke, but I'm a very respectful person. I don't go snooping around people's phones, and more often than not I tend to keep to myself and not involve myself in other people's issues. The reason I bring this up is that this isn't that simple of a matter.

Spoiler: a matter of parenting

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This isn't a huge thing for me, but it's one of those things that I, as a reader, have to take at face value and just accept that Rika and Rie chose to act as big dumb dumbs this time.

Isn't Rin a year younger?

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

In all honesty, I’m strangely glad that Akira never saw Rin’s messages. Why? Well, think about it: do we reeeally want Rin’s first proper h-scene with Akira to be the result of a series of spontaneous text messages?

It clearly wasn’t meant to happen for them yet. But it will. Possibly very soon, especially with Rin a part of the Date War.

 

[DeSkel15]

Oh I was talking about Rin being the only girl in the class where it was mentioned was skipped head a year and based on their birthdays, over a year younger than Sana. A year doesn't sound like much, but at that age is kind of significant.

Isn't Rin a year younger?

Yep:

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Chika got held back, while Rin "bumped up"/skipped ahead. Rin should probably be in Middle school/Junior high.

This would make nearly every girl in their grade around a year older than Rin, and up to a year younger than Chika. With Chika close to two years older than Rin.

In other words: Rika probably cockblocked her 14 year old.
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I do doubt that Sara really cares about age, though (at least past Wizard age). She's been fooling around since she was at least 13. Rika probably doesn't care that much either. It's the D itself that she fears. (And she cares about Sensei's reputation)

 

[fasoaga]

Love how most people ended up hating Rika because she cockblocked everyone involved lol

Not me. Her talk with Rin was the most enjoyoble event for me in that update. She jumped multiple tiers in one update. And i don't mind her not reading other messages too.


Another question. What happened to Yasu's parents? i know her dad got delusions from her, and her mother is abuser. But where are they now?

 

[crustlord12]

do we reeeally want Rin’s first proper h-scene with Akira to be the result of a series of spontaneous text messages?

Yes. Her being so horny as to stop thinking clearly is actually very hot

 

[ZealotZenithZero]

Ami deletes all of your incriminating photos/texts before giving back your phone. I know the game still lets you access them but, canonically, there is nothing for Rika to find.

If you trade nudes there's a whole scene where you have to access your computer and remotely download your photos of Niki from it onto your phone for the trade.

This is also why I was disappointed Rika didn't find the nude Otoha sent you because I felt it was the perfect setup for it.

I mean, I don't really think it's suspicious they're all smitten with him

I guess this was just wild theorycrafting on my part but I assume events from the game were...

You died --> Maya contracts with a lesser god to bring you back --> higher god gets mad at Maya for fucking with fate and punishes her with resets --> The resets change the girls memories but their affection for sensei does not reset --> Maya has to watch you fuck all of her friends while suffering --> You earn the favor of higher god (during one of the puzzle events) --> Higher god loosens his punishment on Maya --> You lose favor of higher god (happens sometime after said puzzle event) --> higher god starts fucking your shit up again --> You are here.

The point is that the girls being smitten with you is part of the punishment for Maya. This is also why the girls can't kill themselves because it would be one less person to make Maya miserable.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Ami deletes all of your incriminating photos/texts before giving back your phone. I know the game still lets you access them but, canonically, there is nothing for Rika to find.

If you trade nudes there's a whole scene where you have to access your computer and remotely download your photos of Niki from it onto your phone for the trade.

This is also why I was disappointed Rika didn't find the nude Otoha sent you because I felt it was the perfect setup for it.

I thought that was the case but I didn't wanna mention it 'cos I ain't slept and didn't trust my memory haha thanks

I guess this was just wild theorycrafting on my part but I assume events from the game were...

You died --> Maya contracts with a lesser god to bring you back --> higher god gets mad at Maya for fucking with fate and punishes her with resets --> The resets change the girls memories but their affection for sensei does not reset --> Maya has to watch you fuck all of her friends while suffering --> You earn the favor of higher god (during one of the puzzle events) --> Higher god loosens his punishment on Maya --> You lose favor of higher god (happens sometime after said puzzle event) --> higher god starts fucking your shit up again --> You are here.

The point is that the girls being smitten with you is part of the punishment for Maya. This is also why the girls can't kill themselves because it would be one less person to make Maya miserable.

As far as the girls attitudes towards Sensei goes my assumption at the moment is just that the god God knows how many cycles of reformatting has affected their perception and some of their previous experiences and impressions bleed through - which is kind of how Maya describes things early on with her hard drive analogy and which we kind of see to an extent with Yumi who seemingly recollects more and conflates her prior Sensei experiences with current Sensei.

I do really like the idea that the whole thing is just an elaborate punishment for Maya though lol I don't think that's the case at the moment but I can see it.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Yes. Her being so horny as to stop thinking clearly is actually very hot

Well yes it is, but there’s bound to be better opportunities later is what I meant by that. Plus we have actual stakes involved in it now that Rika found the messages, which adds more suspense at the end of the day.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

do we reeeally want Rin’s first proper h-scene with Akira to be the result of a series of spontaneous text messages?

The better question is: do we reeeally want Rin’s first proper h-scene with Akira to take place when she still has that awful hair color?!?!?! Nuh uh!

Rika is giving Rin some buffered time to perform Major Design Spoiler in preparation for the big event ahead. What a great mom she is!

 

[hcguy]

I'd also note that the one person Rika knows he is fucking is the age-appropriate (if maybe a little sketchy on the work relationship scale) Imani, so the available evidence to her is not that Akira is chasing young girls.