Yes, I can. It got exposure, which is a positive. It cost the game new patrons, which is a negative. Those cancel out to become neutral. Now, without the positive of exposure, it is serving a negative purpose. 1.6K patrons of 3M views is ONLY 0.053333333333333%, not even 1% are patrons, so the views are meaningless, and that's not taking into account that not every single patron came from here, which lowers the number even further. You're giving wait too much credit to the pirate community, myself included. Sure, some will do what you say, but most won't because it goes against their reason for pirating in the first place. The pirates who only do it out of a lack of legitimate options are not in the majority.
I know I'm nitpicking on this, but the way you worded it makes it sound like the people who "didn't enjoy it that much" can't pay when that isn't necessarily true. That's not a case of can't pay, that's a case of won't pay, there is a major difference. I mean, yeah, this is a pirate site, so that's fine, sort of. It isn't morally correct and it does harm the developer economically as he does lose potential patrons when people decide to pirate instead. I'm just pointing that out, though, the people that won't probably can pay and just refuse.
No, what made him succeed is his hard work and dedication to the project even in the face of the leaks.
This is not and has never been true. Piracy is a bad thing no matter how you try to justify it. Theft of any kind is bad.
His Itch.io, Patreon, and SubscribeStar are all publicly accessible, VNDB has a page about the game, there are several non-pirate sources of information.
Trust me, absolutely nobody is prepared for those going into this game, even having read the tags.
She's still at the bottom of my list, right next to Sensei. She is improving, though, while he seems to have moments and then almost immediately slips right back
Everything that one could have possibly been said has NOT been said, I have not seen somebody say that morality does not exist yet.
The game is too big for Android APK files so you need to use
Not true, I still actively do it, it's just this one I specifically avoid pirating at all while others depend on whether I can even get them legally or if the developer is doing something stupid that wastes development time. Nobody is telling anyone what to do, all anyone is doing is spreading the truth about piracy in relation to this game, that it IS hurting Selebus. You're probably going to be seeing this issue every time someone speaks up about the people who complain about it or whenever there's a leak. Why this game? Because it is literally free after two weeks, other games aren't ever free.
Just download, it will read the files that are in appdata and you can play from there.
It's too big, Android doesn't like huge apps, use Joiplay.
More than 0% is not enough. He's also said that piracy has decreased the number of incoming patrons specifically when a leaked version is released, which hurts him and cancels out any positive it has ever done. The time that it is helpful for has long passed. I'm not arguing against him, my arguments are specifically based on his words. He actually DOES upload the public version here when leakers don't leak. I agree, a delay would be fair, it's not like this game is never free. Even better if there could be enforcement of this delay.
I mean, they would be wrong if they did say it. As limited as it may be, and even among some of us pirates, there is some degree of morality. Morality is why I limit my targets for piracy, because I just wouldn't feel right, not that I would for any other target, if I had a method without piracy. I would feel worse with any legitimate source available, free or paid, than I would if I had no alternative. I still feel bad doing it when I have no choice except to ignore the target, but I feel worse when I do have a choice.
I tend to use F95 as a place to discover and try out new games. For those games I find especially compelling, for those developers I want to support, I will go to Patreon or SubscribeStar. Personally, I'm really over extended--giving more per month than I can easily afford on my current income. I need to drop those I'm no longer playing regularly. I've actually added that monthly amount as one of my Patreon goals, in the hopes that my game will allow me to support other developers.
I just use it when I can't find a source for a game that I can buy from. It's a backup source of sorts, usually Japanese games with either official or fan translations, games that are technically only available legitimately in Japan. That or when a developer decides to do something stupid like trying to prevent modding back in content they removed (School of Lust).
I took a look at your patreon and for some quick feedback, seeing your very first patreon goal being to donate to other creators I'm not really sure why I'd want to donate to you as opposed to just supporting others. Patreons usually exist to support the project in some way, while it's noble to want to support others, all you're really offering is a bigger cut to patreon by filtering my donation through a middleman.
Hey, seems like there's a mix-up, this link leads to Leap of Faith. If possible, could you fix it please?
Good point. It was more of a random thought that I had, since I'm already paying out that one "goal" would be to cover that. A much more useful goal is to cover the cost of buying assets and tools to use in the game.
Far enough. I have been tweaking things, changing character models, changing what it looks like outside. Tomorrow, I'll be doing the renders on this first scene. Many times they recommend not starting with Patreon until you have some real work to show. I decided I wanted to get all the tools in order as I was working.
Very much so. Thank you.
I wouldn't be making my own game if it were not for F95. This is where I got to know a number of players and developers. Where I got to see what decisions developers have made. I've also seen how good it is to have a developer have a presence here. I hope I don't feel the need to retreat to Discord and Patreon/Subscribe forums. I've seen how it is sometimes necessary if the developer is to continue the creative process.
I'll offer some generic advice that is good for many aspects of life.
Thanks! As I said, despite knowing that mine will probably be a niche product, I intend to remain here--I've just seen developers get overwhelmed here so I'm trying to have realistic expectations about the good and bad of F95 forums.
I mean, you'll be fine as long as you don't really need to talk directly to the developer in this case, Selebus has basically retreated from F95, with the exception of the occasional pop in, so he wouldn't have to watch his game getting pirated.
It is, but on the downside for NOT getting away from F95, he has to watch his game get pirated if he comes here, which he did say was not doing good things for his mental and/or emotional health. It is better to retreat off of a site that is giving good criticism if that site is also causing such issues for the sake of one's well being. That comes first above good criticism. Besides, some of us who give good criticism are ones who will follow him to whatever other site he wishes to communicate on. I've been using his SubscribeStar if I needed to talk to him and his Discord if it is absolutely urgent that I do so. I do like the game a significant amount, but I am not a yes man, I WILL call out any issue with the game that needs fixed. That said, things like the complaints about the horror aspect or the need for sound I will not say because they will do nothing for the game except make it a shell of what it once was if lessened.
Absolutely, as I writer, I could not agree more with having a plan you yourself want to implement and an idea of how to do so before starting. I absolutely NEVER go into writing with nothing planned ahead of time.
Ah yes, posing and rendering, my favorite activity.Thanks! As I said, despite knowing that mine will probably be a niche product, I intend to remain here--I've just seen developers get overwhelmed here so I'm trying to have realistic expectations about the good and bad of F95 forums.
I was going to attend a truth or dare game on Zoom in about an hour, but it looks like it's been cancelled--more posing & rendering time!
Seriously, though, I hate the tedium, but the result is worth it. I've been doing quite a bit of it in CharaStudio lately and I'm getting some pretty good results, especially with laying hair across map objects so it looks like it is laying down naturally. That can be pretty hard to do with no collision between characters and maps, you're more likely to overshoot and clip through the object.I'll slightly disagree with this statement on the bases that it misses a needed nuance badly.
