I wouldn't know that. The only thing I see on discord is the #Rules.
I know there's more than just the #Rules page. Was there about a year ago just reading what ppl had to say and see hints of what's to come, but now everything else is cut off.
Read the rules. I think you have to click a meat icon or something to get access to the public thingsI wouldn't know that. The only thing I see on discord is the #Rules.
Well that's odd. I'll give it a shot.
You'll notice it. It even seems self aware, as Sensei tells her to calm down, and she acknowledges that people will complain. Not self aware enough apparently.
I'm not feeling particularly optimistic, tbh. I'm just debating out of boredom and for its own sake at this point. I've donated a AAA game's amount of money to this project, and the response to my mild criticism in this thread was my main discord account getting banned and getting kicked off and refunded on SS. If I found this game today as opposed to 2.5 years ago, and the most recent pages were 90% negativity about the dev, and there was dumb shit like the Patreon rant in the game? I never would have supported it. So I can't help but think future growth is going to be stunted either way because the game isn't what it used to be, which is going to continue to be blamed on piracy, which is going to continue tensions with this site, which is going to continue to leak into the game and continue to make the situation worse in a neverending cycle. But hey, maybe this is all just shitty ramblings, the fuck do I know about game development and marketing? I'm just a dumbass debate pervert software dev who got lucky with an app.
If he wants to maintain his current patron base, sure. But you're forgetting that his explicit goal is to make as much as (and more than, I'm sure) Summertime Saga - 6x what he's currently at. And again, good luck doing that without F95, whether it's 40% or 90%.
You can't advertise shit on 4chan, they'll tear you apart. I was talking about word of mouth.
Yes because that 63k goal is obviously a realistic goal that Selebus actually hopes to reach.
Not sure it really answers "why" but here is what the wiki says on that topic :
LiL Wiki said:
You and I agree it's unrealistic, but think about it this way: if that WAS his goal, wouldn't that perfectly explain his current behavior and the amount of butthurt he has over seeing his growth stagnate in the last few months? If you were only being paid 1/6 of what you thought you should be, wouldn't you also think that was "harm"?
Well that's unfortunate. That means it's not replay-able at all. You'll see it once through normal playthrough and that's it...
That's where i disagree here. I don't recall seeing him butthurt about stagnating. He was making 10k/month then following the patreon dumbfuckery he had to start from scratch with SubscribeStar. He was butthurt about making less than he used to.
That really give me a vibe of "i got back to where i was and i'm happy about it" and not so much "i need more, MORE *drools*"Selebus said:
I'm talking about his behavior right now. He made it back to 10k a while ago, and it was even earlier than you think because a number of people bought Annual Passes. He obviously thought he would keep growing on Patreon, and now he thinks he should keep growing on SS.
It doesn't give any vibe at all. The "I need more" part comes from his current rabid fixation on destroying this thread because he sees it as a barrier to his success instead of seeing it as the biggest single source of his patrons.
I mean of course he'd like to keep growing as much as possible, doesn't mean he actually expect he'll ever reach 63k.
F95 was definitely a huge factor in building up his playerbase and subs but as of right now it has a negative impact on the game. Selebus has been losing subs because of the instant leaks and did the ** as a countermeasure, hoping they would fall under rule 7 and therefore would not be allowed here.
How do we know that fast leaks are a result of patron loss? I'm a subscriber because I want his game to continue, and the leaks have been irrelevant to me. I have, however, left the Discord because of the behavior of his community and mod team. I've also seen people citing his own behavior as well as that of the mod team and community for no longer supporting him. Granted, it's a small sample size, as I certainly don't know everyone that has unsubbbed, but I don't think we can just conclude that F95 is responsible, especially since it has always been a factor affecting the game.
You just posted the announcement about him making it back to 10k a few months ago, and he's at 10k right now. That's literally stagnation, he's not losing subs.
Well we can't know for sure, i'm mostly basing this on claims by Selebus, after all. There was a time when the timing of the leaks were inconsistent, sometimes it was super fast, sometimes it only got leaked a few days before public release. And according to Sel it makes a difference on the subs number.
I'm not claiming that F95 is the only reason for the subs to go down, just that at this point in time F95's impact on LiL's subs is negative.
I think he went down and then back up again thanks to the **.
I don't know about the ** bringing a new public...I mean have you seen Ami, Sana or Miku ? Sure they're high schoolers but, you know. Pretty sure that public was already there. The loli tag was always there as far as i know. Also a lot of the people that are playing LiL are not doing so for the lewds and stuff but for the story. If one just wants to jerk off there are many many games that are better suited than LiL.
Not what i'm saying. I agree that if you factor in all the money that Selebus made thanks to F95 historically it will take many months for the overall impact to become negative. Doesn't disprove the current impact being negative.
I dunno man, I think there's a pretty big difference between even Sana and the shit that's been in those packages.
I don't know what imaginary or arbitrary metrics you're using to "prove" it, but to me, the current impact is that at least 40% of his current subs came from here, and didn't then leave once the content became available.
Well yeah, that's a mighty possibility unfortunately.
Hmm, maybe. There is a difference, sure...I'm just not sure how big it really is.
Well the way i see it is if tomorrow this thread is deleted and LiL is banned from F95 then Selebus will hardly lose anything. The new people that discover the game today on F95 have little incentive to actually subscribe considering they get (almost) everything at the same time as the subs. Also Sel is already earning more than enough to work on the game full time so that's not a reason to sub either. The bad blood between F95 and Sel may also deter some people.
I don't want to tell the mods what to do, so if they are watching, I hope they don't take this the wrong way, but I do believe at least a ban as a user is warranted in this case if not a ban of the game itself going off of the actions taken against the last developer to antagonize the site in some way. Of course, doing so would actually be playing right into his hands this time since he basically wants it gone from any piracy source, unlike the aforementioned other incident.
