Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

It surprised me that so many people are putting Ami at the top of the list when it comes to motherhood. She's already proven to be abusive, cruel, and manipulative to her friends, and that's not a good sign of how she's going to treat a child. She's probably the only one I'd believe would actually harm her kid. She seems like the type who would love the kid at first but eventually see the younger version of herself as competition, whether or not anything is happening between the kid and Sensei.

To be fair, Ami's friends kind of suck and she's never actually harmed someone (unlike Ayane or Otoha or Yumi, etc). She is probably one of the last people I see getting actually physical (Big reason I think Psycho Ami was always BS).

Ami's actually kind of sweet when she isn't feeling threatened:

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Just everyone is usually either judging her or trying to cuck her.

Honestly, having a kid would probably help her at this point. She'd have family besides Sensei, and wouldn't be so terrified of being abandoned. Not to mention, she's proven she can cook, clean, and work, so that puts her above most of the girls already imo.

 

[blackredfish]

Even if Ami is not a psycho, she still seems to be anything but normal. As long as we don't know exactly what she is, I wouldn't want her anywhere near a kid. Also, it's good a mother can clean and cook but honestly, the father should help too. A good mother (in my non conservative traditional view) would make sure that's the dynamic inside the house, as well as teaching their kids (girls and boys) how to do their chores. Something I very much doubt Ami would do. She would be overprotective and doing everything.

I mean, she cleans and cooks but for all of the wrong reasons. She does it so she can control Sensei and make him totally dependant on her. Not good mommy traits imo. But hey, this is all subjective of course. People will have different views on motherhood. I'm just glad my mom taught me how to cook so I don't live on takeaway food .

And shit, I forgot about Imani! She should be in my Good Mom Tier. Or maybe create a "Cool Mother" tier just for her.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

It surprised me that so many people are putting Ami at the top of the list when it comes to motherhood. She's already proven to be abusive, cruel, and manipulative to her friends, and that's not a good sign of how she's going to treat a child. She's probably the only one I'd believe would actually harm her kid. She seems like the type who would love the kid at first but eventually see the younger version of herself as competition, whether or not anything is happening between the kid and Sensei.

Of course, this is all going off the fact that I believe Ami's an absolute psycho. And my anger at all of you for not putting Imani where she belongs at the top of the list. So my opinion could be extremely biased.

Despite my dropping affinity for Ami after each update, I do think being abusive, cruel, and manipulative can miraculously co-exist with being a good mother at least in the fictional setting (if you factor in serving as a bad example to your children then it's a different story).

Ami's branded belief "Nothing matters but this person" is a type of servitude highly prioritized to the person she loves, a necessary feature for being a good mother. Her subject now is Sensei, but it's likely expandable from Sensei to her future incest baby. She is willing and capable of providing unrequited services while showing no apparent distaste to kids; so I think at least this part Ami should receive her credits. However, it's indeed still up for debate whether it is truly unrequited, as we know now Ami even has extended her manipulative methods on Sensei more than once to keep him around and dependent.

Being a bad friend is merely a side effect, or an expansion of that "Nothing matters but this person" attitude (of course as her friends or from player perspective that's not merely at all).

The only example I can think of which may be relatable is Cersei Lannister from GoT, someone who excels in all bad human traits but also will stop at nothing for her children (whether Cersei is a good mother or not is something worth debating, but hopefully I get my point across)

With all that being said, however, do I want Ami to be my mom? FUCK NO! I want Touka!

 

[DeSkel15]

Even if Ami is not a psycho, she still seems to be anything but normal. As long as we don't know exactly what she is, I wouldn't want her anywhere near a kid. Also, it's good a mother can clean and cook but honestly, the father should help too. A good mother (in my non conservative traditional view) would make sure that's the dynamic inside the house, as well as teaching their kids (girls and boys) how to do their chores. Something I very much doubt Ami would do. She would be overprotective and doing everything.

I mean, she cleans and cooks but for all of the wrong reasons. She does it so she can control Sensei and make him dependant on her. Not good mommy traits imo. But hey, this is all subjective of course. People will have different views on motherhood. I'm just glad my mom taught me how to cook so I don't live on takeaway food .

And shit, I forgot about Imani! She should be in my Good Mom Tier. Or maybe create a "Cool Mother" tier just for her.

Ami is definitely "broken":

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I mean she did literally watch her parents die:

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I think it's literally split her personality in two, and she doesn't entirely realize it, which is why she can go from sweet to scary, like nothing.

It's probably the main reason I rate her under the likes of Uta.

Still, she's managed to take care of a grown man since she was 7:

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Despite how messed up she was, and is presumably trying to be less clingy:

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I do think she'd treat her own kid differently than she has Sensei though. Sensei's a fucking mess:

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That Ami's kind of just had to deal with to the point her Identity revolves around him.

I definitely agree on the father/mother thing though. Both should be able to at least take care of themselves, before even thinking about forcing a kid into existence. I personally can't see Sensei being worth a shit though, so the mom is going to have to pick up the slack by default. If the father is someone decent though, then them both being able to cook, clean, etc, will be optimal.

Honestly, I wanted to rate Imani higher, but her not liking kids made that virtually impossible:

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On top of her living in a box, and I'm not sure if she can cook, etc.. "Passable" might be me being a little biased since I like her. Imani strikes me more as the "Cool Aunt" of the cast. Auntie Imani.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

It surprised me that so many people are putting Ami at the top of the list when it comes to motherhood. She's already proven to be abusive, cruel, and manipulative to her friends, and that's not a good sign of how she's going to treat a child. She's probably the only one I'd believe would actually harm her kid. She seems like the type who would love the kid at first but eventually see the younger version of herself as competition, whether or not anything is happening between the kid and Sensei.

Of course, this is all going off the fact that I believe Ami's an absolute psycho. And my anger at all of you for not putting Imani where she belongs at the top of the list. So my opinion could be extremely biased.

Ami's motherhood would probably be a lot like her own childhood with Sekai imo, we got some information that she pretended to be the good girl and I guess played kind of a perfect family spectacle for Ami, so that she didn't truly know what kind of debauchery happens behind the closed doors, and so talks highly of her parents, while blacking out Sensei tries to warn her about this.

I can see Ami trying to replicate this kind of family from a pure heart and love for her child, and she will probably love it even more then she does Sensei too, though not in sexual way of course. But she wouldn't also be against this kind of relations if said offspring will fall in love with Sensei.

We don't know Sekai's plans on Ami, but getting all the stuff about her perversions and Nodoka references, I think she also wouldn't be against Ami and Sensei sleeping together. But I doubt that they would push their daughters if they won't be interested in that, and Sensei wouldn't participate either, at least the guy we know right now.

And yes, as noted, Ami is already a kind of overprotective mother for Sensei, with all the necessary skills for housekeeping and stuff. And has experience caring about vegetable Sensei who was a lot like a toddler in that manner.

 

[blackredfish]

I personally can't see Sensei being worth a shit though, so the mom is going to have to pick up the slack by default. If the father is someone decent though, then them both being able to cook, clean, etc, will be optimal.

Oh yeah, this is important to clarify, when I think of them as mothers I'm taking Sensei completely out of the picture, because he makes everyone worse.

"Cool aunt" does seem to be a great description of Imani. I totally forgot about that line, but yeah she is good around teenagers but it doesn't mean is the same with little kids.

 

[DeSkel15]

We don't know Sekai's plans on Ami, but getting all the stuff about her perversions and Nodoka references, I think she also would't be against Ami and Sensei sleeping together. But I doubt that would push their daughters if they won't be interested in that, and Sensei wouldn't participate either, at least the guy we know right now.

Sekai actually seems to be significantly Pro-Incest:

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So, yeah, she'd probably be fine with Ami and Sensei fucking.

Although, Sekai might be a little jealous considering she apparently was/is of Niki:

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and there's that whole "Bite off her tongue" thing with Noriko:

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Albeit, if anyone gets a pass, it'd probably be Ami.

Edit: In retrospect, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Sekai(or whatever is taking her form) turns out to be influencing Ami's attraction to Sensei.

 

[Hateitfuckit]

I think Ami already act like a mother taking care of Sensei. I mean because of her Sensei probably started tutoring Maya and Noriko. So, I would she could be very good mother. Not to mention, she is not really abusive. She doesn't choke Kirin/slap her friends cause she is afraid of them unlike certain someone. As Maya said she would kill anyone to keep Sensei sane/save him. I guess it all comes down to that. If you remove Sensei from the equation. Ami is the best mom other than Maya. While I think touka could be a good mother, she act more like a nurse than a mother. Ayane doesn't even tell sensei about her pregnancy and doesn't have any motherly vibe considering she herself have mother issues.

 

[spam24601]

I think Ami already act like a mother taking care of Sensei. I mean because of her Sensei probably started tutoring Maya and Noriko. So, I would she could be very good mother. Not to mention, she is not really abusive. She doesn't choke Kirin/slap her friends cause she is afraid of them unlike certain someone. As Maya said she would kill anyone to keep Sensei sane/save him. I guess it all comes down to that. If you remove Sensei from the equation. Ami is the best mom other than Maya. While I think touka could be a good mother, she act more like a nurse than a mother. Ayane doesn't even tell sensei about her pregnancy and doesn't have any motherly vibe considering she herself have mother issues.

You don't need to be physically abusive to be abusive.

 

[FireCazador]

After seeing this, could "Psycho Ami" be black out Ami? That could answer the question about why she was lost at Old District and why called Maya and Ayane at Shrine, so it could be the same one Maya saw. Also this could be the same Himawari told Ayane that "Ami" won't harm her but what about not being conscious?

Ami is definitely "broken":

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[worthlesspeon]

The music in this game is actually banging, but the only time it's needed for progress, up untill now, is the answer of a puzzle :

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.
Rest of the sounds are mostly jumpscares or knocking on doors.

There's also the port number for the ?first reset event

 

[hcguy]

You're all putting Karin too low (and Ami too high).

 

[throwawaysponge]

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Enjoy bad rants and pain.

 

[DeSkel15]

After seeing this, could "Psycho Ami" be black out Ami? That could answer the question about why she was lost at Old District and why called Maya and Ayane at Shrine, so it could be the same one Maya saw. Also this could be the same Himawari told Ayane that "Ami" won't harm her but what about not being conscious?

Just to add to this, there's been a few hints that there's at least "two" versions of Ami.

In 'Lamb Legs' there's the Ami who breaks the 4th wall and threatens Sensei:

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Then there's the Ami that shows up afterwards telling him this stuff isn't her:

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Maya makes it clear that, to her, Psycho Ami and "Real" Ami are completely different:

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Ayane seems to think Ami is a good actress due to switching between innocent and threatening at times:

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(Ayane is smart, but kind of seems delusional:

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When it comes to understanding others.)

Then there's the "Mega Ami" and Mangled Ami stuff:

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And of course, there's Nao and whatever that Twisted Ami was:

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Etc.

Overall: The way I see Ami at the moment is that there's "Real Ami" who seems to be the one feeling like she's being bullied, "Other Ami" who seems to be the one trying to manipulate others (likely even "Real Ami"), and then there's what Maya seems to think slaughtered everyone, aka "Psycho Ami", who I'm thinking isn't really Ami at all. Just something that used her form.

The Shapeshifter saying Ami won't touch Ayane:

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Could be hinting that whatever is dangerous, isn't actually Ami. That doesn't mean it can't take her form or something though. This is coming from a Shapeshifter afterall.

Psycho Ami could also just be a false memory used to control Maya.

 

[throwawaysponge]

Just to add to this, there's been a few hints that there's at least "two" versions of Ami.

In 'Lamb Legs' there's the Ami who breaks the 4th wall and threatens Sensei:

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Then there's the Ami that shows up afterwards telling him this stuff isn't her:

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Maya makes it clear that, to her, Psycho Ami and "Real" Ami are completely different:

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Ayane seems to think Ami is a good actress due to switching between innocent and threatening at times:

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(Ayane is smart, but kind of seems delusional:

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When it comes to understanding others.)

Then there's the "Mega Ami" and Mangled Ami stuff:

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And of course, there's Nao and whatever that Twisted Ami was:

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Etc.

Overall: The way I see Ami at the moment is that there's "Real Ami" who seems to be the one feeling like she's being bullied, "Other Ami" who seems to be the one trying to manipulate others (likely even "Real Ami"), and then there's what Maya seems to think slaughtered everyone, aka "Psycho Ami", who I'm thinking isn't really Ami at all. Just something that used her form.

The Shapeshifter saying Ami won't touch Ayane:

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Could be hinting that whatever is dangerous, isn't actually Ami. That doesn't mean it can't take her form or something though. This is coming from a Shapeshifter afterall.

Psycho Ami could also just be a false memory used to control Maya.

NGL I've felt there have been many outcomes of Ami since the literal start of the game? The weird Ami you're forced to have sex with, suggesting her to get a job as maid, once she starts wearing the clothes she found in the attic, finding her crying during Worry not, The Mason Jar event she feels like another person too. The notion that she understands how to break you and that she's been intentionally doing it to force you into bad uncle route?

I haven't run a route where you refuse all lewd options but i've seen captions here where she seems genuinely more unhinged the less you 'indulge her' and like I really want to run this game again because i fucking love it but I want to wait as long as possible so i can 'experience' it from scratch again lol.

I think what genuinely sways me opinion wise is the music that Sel uses because

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coming off of this among other maya events you're just willing to trust the entire idea that maya is who she says she is and who akira thinks she is. You don't get the same thing with Ami/Ayane/Etc

Edit: I may have drunk too much after the fact and gone off track oops

 

[DeSkel15]

NGL I've felt there have been many outcomes of Ami since the literal start of the game? The weird Ami you're forced to have sex with, suggesting her to get a job as maid, once she starts wearing the clothes she found in the attic, finding her crying during Worry not, The Mason Jar event she feels like another person too. The notion that she understands how to break you and that she's been intentionally doing it to force you into bad uncle route?

I haven't run a route where you refuse all lewd options but i've seen captions here where she seems genuinely more unhinged the less you 'indulge her' and like I really want to run this game again because i fucking love it but I want to wait as long as possible so i can 'experience' it from scratch again lol.

Ami actually seems to try not to break Sensei, or take real advantage of him even though she easily could:

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The most she seems to do is get him to say nice things:

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"Good Uncle" Ami is definitely more unhinged, than "Bad Uncle" Ami though imo. For example this is some GU stuff:

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I don't think either Ami has taken real advantage of Broken Sensei, but if either would, it's definitely GU Ami.

It could be what sends Ami off the deep end eventually. She seems to prioritize protecting Sensei above everything, but if she crosses the line and actually hurts him, then I'm not sure if she could handle it. Ami seems to think they literally can't hurt eachother:

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[k1n5l4y3r]

There's also the port number for the ?first reset event

Is it? I've never noticed cause I've always done that reset with a guide because fuck that "IP" address, that is completely wrong for a supposedly IP address. Unless japanese IP addresses are vastly different.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

You're all putting Karin too low (and Ami too high).

Sorry for misjudging the character whose the whole personality is based on being "good at everything" and fainting when flirted with.

 

[BlackDays]

Is it? I've never noticed cause I've always done that reset with a guide because fuck that "IP" address, that is completely wrong for a supposedly IP address. Unless japanese IP addresses are vastly different.

It's supposed to look like an IPv6 address, which is made up of HexDec.
HexDec is 0-9 and a-f.
There are some rules though.
In an IPv6 address you can omit leading zeros.
You can change 2001:0db8:85a3:08d3:1319:8a2e:0370:7344 into 2001:db8:85a3:8d3:1319:8a2e:370:7344
One time you can omit even a whole 16 bit block ( " :1A0F: " <- i'm a 16 bit block) of zeros, turning them into a "::".
2001:0000:85a3:08d3:1319:8a2e:0370:7344 -> 2001::85a3:08d3:1319:8a2e:0370:7344 or 2001::85a3:8d3:1319:8a2e:370:7344
And then there are subnet masks. (been too long can't remember rn).

The point is: If there is a letter beyond "F" in the riddles IPv6 address then it's not a working/false IPv6 address.
Or if it does not apply to above and beyond rules.

/e
IPv6 is afaik an internationel standard. So no japanese only shenanigans.
The so called ICANN is responsible, at least at the top level, for IP address distribution.

/e2 Funnily quote didn't work. Maybe due to forum rework?

 

[throwawaysponge]

Ami actually seems to try not to break Sensei, or take real advantage of him even though she easily could:

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The most she seems to do is get him to say nice things:

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"Good Uncle" Ami is definitely more unhinged, than "Bad Uncle" Ami though imo. For example this is some GU stuff:

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I don't think either Ami has taken real advantage of Broken Sensei, but if either would, it's definitely GU Ami.

It could be what sends Ami off the deep end eventually. She seems to prioritize protecting Sensei above everything, but if she crosses the line and actually hurts him, then I'm not sure if she could handle it. Ami seems to think they literally can't hurt eachother:

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Spoiler: Degen?

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