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The fact that Akira's every thought whenever he's with Yasu isn't "oh my god she's so adorable I must adopt and protect her" is honestly immersion breaking to me
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I mean...
It does make me happy that even more people are reaching for the light!"Himawari is Ayane's daughter" = noob level
"Himawari's real name is Ami" = getting closer to the truth
"Himawari is Ami" =
"Himawari is Maya, because Maya is Ami, thus Maya is Ayane's daughter" =
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*It also means that the next update is about Maya's birth (as Ayane's daughter).
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Detective Dc345
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Please don't give me a reason to dislike Himacchi....three Maya's(or any Mayas in general) is one too many.
TheGoodPastor
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Three? Three's rookie numbers.
I have identified at least thirty four secret Mayas, not including
Bingoogus
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You fucking tinfoil hat wearing lunatics... 
The first is cause that's what she deserves, the second is cause it's what she needs...
Yasu is the kind of girl that the first time you're with her you take her delicately, treat her like the angel she is, and make soft, sweet love to her... the second time you absolutely wreck her, rearranging all of her guts with several hours of intense thrusting...
The first is cause that's what she deserves, the second is cause it's what she needs...
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In Akira's defense, he doesn't really know what we know about Yasu. Also, Akira is Akira.
That being said, I still recall meeting Yasu for the first time and yeah... she was SUPER yikes. It took a long while until my opinion changed. And if you recall she still is kind of yikes (remember her trip with Touka and Akira to the dungeon). I think it's a case of being easier for us to sympathize since we're not actually dealing with her irl.
Another one that was super yikes was Noriko, and we barely remember that now. Anyone recall when she drugged Akira? Yeah, that happened. Funny to compare how they were at their introduction and now. Nodoka was one that was fucking weird from the start asking all those questions a few feet from the rest of the girls and telling Akira to pretend no one was there
That being said, I still recall meeting Yasu for the first time and yeah... she was SUPER yikes. It took a long while until my opinion changed. And if you recall she still is kind of yikes (remember her trip with Touka and Akira to the dungeon). I think it's a case of being easier for us to sympathize since we're not actually dealing with her irl.
Another one that was super yikes was Noriko, and we barely remember that now. Anyone recall when she drugged Akira? Yeah, that happened. Funny to compare how they were at their introduction and now. Nodoka was one that was fucking weird from the start asking all those questions a few feet from the rest of the girls and telling Akira to pretend no one was there
Detective Dc345
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Hey, keep Yasu out of your perveted fantasies! She isn't like Meat Toilet!You fucking tinfoil hat wearing lunatics...
Yasu is the kind of girl that the first time you're with her you take her delicately, treat her like the angel she is, and make soft, sweet love to her... the second time you absolutely wreck her, rearranging all of her guts with several hours of intense thrusting...
The first is cause that's what she deserves, the second is cause it's what she needs...
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Omg, perfect idea! Round 3 is a threesome with Sana!
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It's a few perspectives that have convinced me of it. Game directorally-wise, I think it would be a huge shame if Maya's purity route was used to explain their backstory and the full scene we saw that one frame of loli maya on top of Sensei. The idea of rescuing prime during the dark route is kinda nice ngl, but it would be at the cost of making her purity route all flashback no "focus on me now, we finally have time to relax and enjoy each other", and she's been robbed of that all game. I want her purity route to let her enjoy being herself again (like returning to the festival, then spending the next day entirely inside his home just being together).
If she had a major set of updates after her return but before dark route you could fit that kind of backstory pretty seamlessly. Our current Maya is quite a way off from being prime and her last update showed Sel is ready to start drip feeding her return. A while ago I calculated how much longer we'd have left before a theoretical chapter 6 dark route which I counted it as 4 resets, two resets for an extra chapter's extension to chapter 4 which Sel said was going to be the longest by far (and which would make the name infinite spring actually meaningful) and then a chapter 5 which would theoretically get us back to a more regular feeling LIL with a Akira who has hopefully stopped being a doormat by this point. That kind of time extension would give Maya enough time to get more sentience points if Sel keeps doing it, and then has chapter 5 to talk about that backstory (You could even throw in a bit more shorter term tragedy here. There's a reason I wanted Maya to have invite events and lust grinding before Prime came back)
Ingame evidence, most I could point to is Chapter 3 starting with the idea of losing Maya and ending with actually losing Maya, and the gods threatening to punish him for not taking something that doesn't belong to him, and then punishing him with it by taking Maya. There's a history of these threads being given early, and being followed through on by the end. The gods have instructed him to rape someone, and even after taking Maya away they still want him to do it (Pareidolia still wants to work together in the narration when chapter 4 begins) and they demonstrate they still want him to rape someone when they offer to give Prime back if he rapes Karin, which he refuses to do at the time. If this thread is to be followed through he needs to rape someone who wouldn't be willing in any way, and I've previously discussed who I think the only target left could be. Since then Nao has started to say she thinks Akira's hot so it might be impossible to rape her now which just leans into that harder.
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There is a Sherlock tv show episode where the mystery got solved with exact same way.
I wonder what kind of abomination we would get if Steven Moffat wrote lil.
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Thanks for the explanations, Moonflare and Shmurfer. LIL is possibly the game with the most dialogue in AVN history; there's a lot to follow, and I often get lost. Thank you guys for explaining so well; you're very intelligent and understand this universe so well. I hope Maya Prime returns soon; she's my favorite character in entire game.
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That'd be great, I've always wanted to see a Dalek come
And if anyone can do it, it's doctor sensei
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You have very specific tastes
and I gotchu fam
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Firstly, i love you.
Secondly, from these sections i gathered.
Chika: Start: 14:00 - 16:00, TSS: 20:44 - 23:14 (19 years later)
Futaba: Start: 23:19 TSS: unknown
Makoto: Start: REDACTED TSS: unknown (13 min 9 sec later)
Noriko: Start:19:31 TSS:19:40 (9 min later)
Sana: Start : unknown TSS: unkown (4 days later)
Yumi: Start: 8:47 TSS: 9:00 (13 min later)
What makes me wonder is while some character's start time did not get announced, Makoto's time got REDACTED.
Thinking about the reason made me remember something. All the characters sucked into TSS in normal universe. Makoto was in the alternate timeline/universe when she was thrown to the TSS.
I know some people lost their faith in selebus after il cervo commentery (didn't affect me very much) and his comment about how he made 90 percent on the spot (DID affect me very much) but him announcing he will make tss for every main girl and giving it measurable elements makes me think he didn't just randomly danced on the numpad.
Or i have deprivation of lil and not enough hobbies.
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With another 3 weeks before the next release, I'd love to get other peoples' take on a few of the bigger pieces of lore before the story continues. If you've already posted on these topics in the last few months, and don't have anything new to say, its okay, but if you have new thoughts or predictions, let 'em rip:
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Nah, I think you are onto something. The problem is, those times have to be put in the context of the "current date/time" of when each girls heard the announcement. And that assumes that they didn't slip through time when they each experienced their TPSS. While I copy-pastad all that, I remember seeing at least one of the events mentioning the current date, but I'd have to go and rewatch all of the TPSS's and all of the scenes leading into them to figure out if we're given a calendar in a background, or are straight up told the date. But then, the dates could be meaningless if time passes differently in the different worlds of the wishing well (and any pocket subdimensions that exist between them)
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OMG! I think you're onto something! I just realized that if you start with your first change, then switch the first 'a' and 'm', do the same with the second 'a' and 'r' while changing that 'a' to an 'e', then shift the 'y' right one , move the 'i's to the middle, change one to an 'o' and the other to an 'n' and you get "HamOnRye"!
What can it mean? A subliminal clue to Sel's favorite lunch sandwich? An upcoming takeover of the Produce Delivery Administration by the International Deli Association? A collaboration between Sel and Oscar Meyer to secretly make us crave lunchmeat while reading through his VN? Who exactly is that mystery sponsor making his move to Japan possible?
Be right back. I've got to get on the phone with The Discovery Channel.