VN Ren'Py Let the Nightshine In [v0.18 Ch. 2] [Sieglinnde]

[Griev]

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Lol you guys are still fighting.
You've been talking AT each other for over a year and never really trying to understand where the other is coming from it seems. Sieglinnde is right that life would be bleak if we all thought the same way, but Turret isn't telling you his opinion on what NTS is, he's giving you the DEFINITION of what the genre is. Trying to merge NTR and NTS into 1 story/path wholly and completely changes the story/path into NTR. That's all he's been saying. He's not bashing your game based on his opinion so much as he's correctly reciting core tenets of a genre.
If a story has 5 years of straight vanilla content but an NTR ending out of nowhere, that story is no longer vanilla, it's 100% an NTR story. This is the overbearing effect NTR has on a given story. Once you add it, that story NTR now, nothing you can do will change it aside from removing it. I think that a lot of this argument has been lost in translation
Sieglinnde I could be wrong here, but I really don't think he's saying your game is bad. I used to argue with him MONTHS ago, but ProGamerJohnny told me he was a decent guy, so I went back and gave him the benefit of the doubt. After reading through his messages again, without bias his only negative comments about the game is the fact that NTR content in the NTS route is not properly accounted for. Seems that this years long war is just about that...

 

[Sieglinnde]

I was writing a long ass post replying, but its in vain. I'm really, really tired about this

 

[MrDianhelo]

Why can't cuck get along? Whether you like ntr or nts you are still getting cucked so why all the animosity for one another. Nts and ntr go hand in hand the concept of an alpha/dominant cuck only exists in nts fans heads and delusions. Jfc, just enjoy the game for what it is and stop crying about not getting cucked exactly the way you wanted.

 

[Turret]

Lol you guys are still fighting.
You've been talking AT each other for over a year and never really trying to understand where the other is coming from it seems. Sieglinnde is right that life would be bleak if we all thought the same way, but Turret isn't telling you his opinion on what NTS is, he's giving you the DEFINITION of what the genre is. Trying to merge NTR and NTS into 1 story/path wholly and completely changes the story/path into NTR. That's all he's been saying. He's not bashing your game based on his opinion so much as he's correctly reciting core tenets of a genre.
If a story has 5 years of straight vanilla content but an NTR ending out of nowhere, that story is no longer vanilla, it's 100% an NTR story. This is the overbearing effect NTR has on a given story. Once you add it, that story NTR now, nothing you can do will change it aside from removing it. I think that a lot of this argument has been lost in translation
Sieglinnde I could be wrong here, but I really don't think he's saying your game is bad. I used to argue with him MONTHS ago, but ProGamerJohnny told me he was a decent guy, so I went back and gave him the benefit of the doubt. After reading through his messages again, without bias his only negative comments about the game is the fact that NTR content in the NTS route is not properly accounted for. Seems that this years long war is just about that...

Bravo and thank you for your post, Griev! Appreciated!
You are quite spot on with that post. I think we all(!) agree on that variations, new stuff and different PoVs keep our lifes more spicy and it is laudable to try something new. But you should be able to recognise when something does not work out as intended. And that is the NTS path of LTNI. It is polluted with far too much NTR to ever recover from, there is simply no NTS left, not even the basic tenets of it. That is why I repeatedly stated the "NTS" path to be a NTR path under false flag.
The vanilla and the NTR paths of LTNI are well done, but the "NTS" path is a misfire at best. As I said, you can have an unlimited supply and variation of apples, you will never be able to cook strawberry marmelade with them.
IMHO I think Sieglinnde´s mistake here is thinking he can cook strawberry marmelade without adding any strawberries, instead substituting apples in massive amounts. This might get him a mighty fine apple marmelade, but it will not be a strawberry marmelade ever, no matter what he writes on the container glasses. He simply deviated too much from the basic recipe. He could have made an interesting apple-strawberry mix, which I think he aimed for, but the NTS path as it is currently lacks massively the strawberry content, so to speak.
And I think he simply does not or cannot see this, going by his posts.

Why can't cuck get along? Whether you like ntr or nts you are still getting cucked so why all the animosity for one another. Nts and ntr go hand in hand the concept of an alpha/dominant cuck only exists in nts fans heads and delusions. Jfc, just enjoy the game for what it is and stop crying about not getting cucked exactly the way you wanted.

Pardon me, but that is unmitigated BS! For example, I can "touch your face" with petting your cheek or smashing my fist into it, I doubt you would call that the same! NTR and NTS are at different ends of a continuum and never(!) go hand in hand, that is a delusion of NTR limp dicks.
Stags, which is the label for alpha/dominant "cucks", exist in quite high numbers in real life.

 

[Joshy92]

The game is over three years old at this point so expecting any game to change after that long is stupid either play it and accept it for what it is or move on to another game.

 

[SlapE]

Whether you like ntr or nts you are still getting cucked so why all the animosity for one another. Nts and ntr go hand in hand the concept of an alpha/dominant cuck only exists in nts fans heads and delusions.

This is such a retarded statement that I don't know where to begin, so I'll just keep it short and sweet instead. No, NTR and NTS DO NOT GO HAND IN HAND. They are completely different kinks and most good NTS games I've played have no elements of NTR, unless it's some sort of what-if scenario, or the game has multiple paths.

Lastly, Stags are a thing (not quite the same as cucks), IN REAL LIFE. As one myself (although more categorically I'd consider myself a swinger), and also having met other stags, you're quite literally wrong, yet you say such a false statement so brazenly as if you're right. Do some research, maybe step out of your bubble a bit, and actually learn more about the things you clearly don't know about, despite thinking you do.

On another note, I do agree with Joshy92. If you expect this game's NTS route to change at this point, you're delusional, and why are you here? I once inquired about the NTS route some time ago, was assured that the route included NTR within it, and that it would remain that way. I wasn't interested in playing after learning this, so guess what? I didn't, and I left without any complaint. Which is what everyone should do who aren't interested in the game.

*edit* And while I do agree with Turret that I wouldn't consider this game to have a true NTS route, at least what the majority of us NTS fans would consider NTS, It's what the dev created and envisioned, and I have no problem with that. Devs shouldn't need to follow a certain ruleset or blueprint when it comes to making games. We as fans might not always agree with decisions devs make, or how they've created certain paths. However, we shouldn't try to take away from their creative vision and annoy them with our own opinions over and over again, just because we don't like something they created.

 

[MrDianhelo]

This is such a retarded statement that I don't know where to begin, so I'll just keep it short and sweet instead. No, NTR and NTS DO NOT GO HAND IN HAND. They are completely different kinks and most good NTS games I've played have no elements of NTR, unless it's some sort of what-if scenario, or the game has multiple paths.

Lastly, Stags are a thing (not quite the same as cucks), IN REAL LIFE. As one myself (although more categorically I'd consider myself a swinger), and also having met other stags, you're quite literally wrong, yet you say such a false statement so brazenly as if you're right. Do some research, maybe step out of your bubble a bit, and actually learn more about the things you clearly don't know about, despite thinking you do.

On another note, I do agree with Joshy92. If you expect this game's NTS route to change at this point, you're delusional, and why are you here? I once inquired about the NTS route some time ago, was assured that the route included NTR within it, and that it would remain that way. I wasn't interested in playing after learning this, so guess what? I didn't, and I left without any complaint. Which is what everyone should do who aren't interested in the game.

*edit* And while I do agree with Turret that I wouldn't consider this game to have a true NTS route, at least what the majority of us NTS fans would consider NTS, It's what the dev created and envisioned, and I have no problem with that. Devs shouldn't need to follow a certain ruleset or blueprint when it comes to making games. We as fans might not always agree with decisions devs make, or how they've created certain paths. However, we shouldn't try to take away from their creative vision and annoy them with our own opinions over and over again, just because we don't like something they created.

Jesus, the delusions and mental gymnastics are laughable, why can't they just accept they are cucks? Ashamed of their kink? Pathetic

 

[Menace o Santana]

Jesus, the delusions and mental gymnastics are laughable, why can't they just accept they are cucks? Ashamed of their kink? Pathetic

Some people like to be cucked in differents way, a little delusional but that's the case the fact that the result it's still the same your girl get fucked by someone else... sure, you can choose to dislike or prefer the NTS or NTR way but when you're arguing about it it's being very stupid
I think it's the first time i see arguments like that, usually it's NTR vs Vanilla comunity but i guess we can clearly see the evolution Cuck vs Cuck

 

[Joshy92]

Some people like to be cucked in differents way, a little delusional but that's the case the fact that the result it's still the same your girl get fucked by someone else... sure, you can choose to dislike or prefer the NTS or NTR way but when you're arguing about it it's being very stupid
I think it's the first time i see arguments like that, usually it's NTR vs Vanilla comunity but i guess we can clearly see the evolution Cuck vs Cuck

Actually ntr and nts fans argue all the time. And yeah I don't like cheating but I do like nts so obviously I avoid ntr.

 

[Sieglinnde]

Actually ntr and nts fans argue all the time. And yeah I don't like cheating but I do like nts so obviously I avoid ntr.

You betrayed me, joshy...

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[Joshy92]

You betrayed me, joshy...

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I know I should have mentioned this sexy game. Especially because it's one of only two honey select games I play that's how highly I think of this gem.

 

[Turret]

Jesus, the delusions and mental gymnastics are laughable, why can't they just accept they are cucks? Ashamed of their kink? Pathetic

The only pathetic thing here are your posts on NTR and NTS, showing serious misconception and lacking knowledge. Just because some things have a couple superficial similarities, does not make them the same! E.g. Lumberjacks and Rangers both work in the forest, that does not make them the same.

 

[Menace o Santana]

And yeah I don't like cheating but I do like nts so obviously I avoid ntr.

Yeah there is no problem with anyone preference it's just there is some who take it too personal and too extreme, personally I'm fine with both....NTS and NTR look very similar the only difference is the MC consent and the Great fact it's in both side the MC or you(Fantasy) is still a cuck so it's pretty useless as an argument typo

 

[NekoGirlHentaiGamer18]

~> well didn't expect NTR war rallying here anyway going to play game for the story looks promising to my cup of tea !

 

[Griev]

The game is over three years old at this point so expecting any game to change after that long is stupid either play it and accept it for what it is or move on to another game.

That's the point Joshy, he's not asking for him to change the game. That's the point of my comment. He's not saying to change the GAME, but trying to get him to properly tag the path. He LIKES the game, well aspects of it.
This is essentially how I translate what Turret is saying. People are too emotionally invested and aren't even trying to understand what he's saying. If a fan of Vanilla Harems downloads a game and finds out the MC gets NTR'd because the dev thinks he's the Linkin park of VNs and can merge two genres like LP did with Rock and Rap, that Vanilla Harem fan is gonna have a bad experience that could have been avoided. None of this means that game is bad, or that the dev needs to change and or fix his game. It JUST means that path doesn't need to be labeled "Vanilla".

 

[Kotobiki]

I just want to point out: y'all still wrong and using bastardized Murican version of netorase, the actual definition coined by the japanese often overlaps with NTR. Which is actually a constant complaint by Murican players of japanese NTRS novels since they almost always include NTR elements.
If you wanted just pure swinging/sharing, you should be looking for swinging games, not NTRS games.

 

[Kotobiki]

NGL this reminds me of people who think all cheating is NTR or that think something can't be NTR if it's not cheating. On this side of the puddle there's a serious misunderstanding as to what these genres actually entail.

 

[kikomascado]

Is it possible to have netorase without netorare? I remember playing this some time ago, but the girlfriend fucking the guy behind our back even though I gave her permission to do so...

Edit: I didn't read the thread as to not get spoilers, but seeing the very last post above mine, I guess the answer is no. Hahaha

 

[Sieglinnde]

Is it possible to have netorase without netorare? I remember playing this some time ago, but the girlfriend fucking the guy behind our back even though I gave her permission to do so...

Edit: I didn't read the thread as to not get spoilers, but seeing the very last post above mine, I guess the answer is no. Hahaha

At the beginning, no. The gf starts to do things because the MC asks her to do it, and he likes it, though then she starts to do things behind his back while feeling guilty, though the MC suspects it, then she tells the bf what she's been doing, the bf says he likes it and then (depending on what route you choose) she does things that he likes and doesn't hide anything from him from that point on
There are other choices that may lead you to a full NTR path but usually those choices are pointed out to which route it will take you

 

[kikomascado]

At the beginning, no. The gf starts to do things because the MC asks her to do it, and he likes it, though then she starts to do things behind his back while feeling guilty, though the MC suspects it, then she tells the bf what she's been doing, the bf says he likes it and then (depending on what route you choose) she does things that he likes and doesn't hide anything from him from that point on
There are other choices that may lead you to a full NTR path but usually those choices are pointed out to which route it will take you

Thanks! The start made me lose interest on the game, but I'll give it another chance then!