Ren'Py Let's Split Up Gang [v8] [Hentaku Studios]

[kopiluwak]

No gameplay?? What kinda gameplay are you expecting in a trainer game? Arcanoid? Galaga? This is a legit question btw, I don't know what you are considering gameplay here.

Also, what are you considering to be "unavoidable fetishes"? Cause aside from the base fetish of NTR no other fetish is "unavoidable"

Why would I bother wasting my time with someone so high on ego that he can't conceive the idea that he could possibly do something wrong? do you even have the capacity to reflect on criticism? I'm gonna try, but know that I have no expectation.

Skill check, dice roll, branching decision, inventory, looking for clues serve no purpose now, it's just a useless distraction, an impediment, it's in the way and serve no purpose, what clues even ? do I win anything ? and how does this help me corrupting her ? I have no control on how I go about anything it's a straight line with a succession of events loosely slapped together.

The " " " corruption " " " is the same stupid linear evolution from handjob to blowjob to sex, when it's the opposite of any natural progression, consensual missionary is the baseline in intimacy, you blow someone you've already been intimate with, not the other way around.

Also, what are you considering to be "unavoidable fetishes"? Cause aside from the base fetish of NTR no other fetish is "unavoidable"

this kind of condescending question full of dumb confidence when you just released an unavoidable scene with several heavy fetish has to take the cake when it come to arrogant idiocy.

The point doesn't reside in what fetish you put in your game, the point is what I CHOOSE as a player to engage with or not, from my own initiative, I'm supposed to be in control all along and to know exactly what I walk into.

as I said previously, I just progress in a straight line in a pre-determined narrative, on which I have no control.

what If I don't want her to engage in any way with Fred ? what if I don't want her to engage in any way with anyone at all but with Red?

All you do in the game is to fuck her into a bimbo, and I really wish you had any understanding of how stupid that is.

I'm willing to discuss this further but you have to drop the "indignation" as if you were mister perfect high in his mighty tower of success.

 

[NTR Critic]

Why would I bother wasting my time with someone so high on ego that he can't conceive the idea that he could possibly do something wrong? do you even have the capacity to reflect on criticism? I'm gonna try, but know that I have no expectation.

Skill check, dice roll, branching decision, inventory, looking for clues serve no purpose now, it's just a useless distraction, an impediment, it's in the way and serve no purpose, what clues even ? do I win anything ? and how does this help me corrupting her ? I have no control on how I go about anything it's a straight line with a succession of events loosely slapped together.

The " " " corruption " " " is the same stupid linear evolution from handjob to blowjob to sex, when it's the opposite of any natural progression, consensual missionary is the baseline in intimacy, you blow someone you've already been intimate with, not the other way around.




this kind of condescending question full of dumb confidence when you just released an unavoidable scene with several heavy fetish has to take the cake when it come to arrogant idiocy.

The point doesn't reside in what fetish you put in your game, the point is what I CHOOSE as a player to engage with or not, from my own initiative, I'm supposed to be in control all along and to know exactly what I walk into.

as I said previously, I just progress in a straight line in a pre-determined narrative, on which I have no control.

what If I don't want her to engage in any way with Fred ? what if I don't want her to engage in any way with anyone at all but with Red?

All you do in the game is to fuck her into a bimbo, and I really wish you had any understanding of how stupid that is.

I'm willing to discuss this further but you have to drop the "indignation" as if you were mister perfect high in his mighty tower of success.

1st part:
I see. I do like the idea of a skill system, but I am very against branching paths. Branching paths just lead to the dev splitting their time between 5 stories and then the over all game suffers for it.

The clues system was originally put in at the very begining with the intent to flesh it out later, but what looks better on an update list "New anal scene" or "Clue system revamp"? My point being that I think people would rather have more scenes rather then I waste my time on "gameplay elements" like that. Especially since I am only a part time dev who works a full time job.

As for the progression, I don't think you should be having sex before blowing someone. At least game play wise. Blowjob is like... non-committal.



2nd part:
You still didn't name the fetish. I literally don't know what fetish you are talking about. We added a rimjob and urine scene... but those are both labeled and you don't need to choose them to progress?

 

[kopiluwak]

1st part:
I see. I do like the idea of a skill system, but I am very against branching paths. Branching paths just lead to the dev splitting their time between 5 stories and then the over all game suffers for it.

The clues system was originally put in at the very begining with the intent to flesh it out later, but what looks better on an update list "New anal scene" or "Clue system revamp"? My point being that I think people would rather have more scenes rather then I waste my time on "gameplay elements" like that. Especially since I am only a part time dev who works a full time job.

As for the progression, I don't think you should be having sex before blowing someone. At least game play wise. Blowjob is like... non-committal.

So you really did everything right, good job.

2nd part:
You still didn't name the fetish. I literally don't know what fetish you are talking about. We added a rimjob and urine scene... but those are both labeled and you don't need to choose them to progress?

It was a mistake, engaging with you is a waste of time, I'll be on my way now, best of luck in your endeavors.

 

[NTR Critic]

So you really did everything right, good job.



It was a mistake, engaging with you is a waste of time, I'll be on my way now, best of luck in your endeavors.

‍I am very open to opinions, but only when the opinions are actually shared. If you don't want to say what the fetish is, I literally cannot take away anything from that. Everything I consider to be a fetish (beyond the base NTR fetish) is not railroaded on to the player and you have to choose to experience it.

 

[Ecstazy22335]

so no daph vaginal sex scenes yet ?

 

[Je_Lou]

What's the new Velma content?

 

[NTR Critic]

so no daph vaginal sex scenes yet ?

Not in this update, but in v10 yes!

 

[NTR Critic]

What's the new Velma content?

I don't remember exactly, but I think it is sex in the library and a new titty drop animation?

 

[maninBlak]

a pup named scooby doo?!! in THIS economy?!!

 

[sperg]

there is no move option with red with daphne is it a trigger?

 

[NTR Critic]

there is no move option with red with daphne is it a trigger?

Make sure you have unlocked the lab (Via the library with Fred)

 

[feety]

hmm, what is the error?

according to the traceback:

Exception: In DynamicImage '[dresses[dress]]': IndexError('list index out of range')

 

[NTR Critic]

according to the traceback:

Exception: In DynamicImage '[dresses[dress]]': IndexError('list index out of range')

Hmm, looks like I still have some issues in the save department. This is probably being caused by using an old save, so the save doesn't have the correct array list in it for the dresses. I'll have to check how to get arrays defaulted.

Thanks for the error code! Should make it a bit easier to troubleshoot.

 

[Eldebrand]

So I just played this update and, honestly I can understand the guy complaining about forced fetishes above. I hadn't even finished the Anal training when the Johnny Bravo and Globetrotters Gangbang were just forced on me. Gangbang and Interracial are fetishes, and we were given absolutely no choice on whether those events "happened". Yes one was a supposed dream sequence but its still interracial gangbang fetish triggered with no agency from the player. Also, having scenes trigger with Anal that imply Daphne has already been trained when she hasn't yet is kind of a failure in your code. It breaks any kind of flow to the story.

Also, most players of Netori-centric games aren't usually enthusiastic about the LIs running off to get railed by others without being the one that corrupts them into doing so. Again, its the agency of the player that becomes the sticking point for many. Its not usually a good idea to cuck the player of a Netori game without very good reason.

 

[Buri12]

I was able to load a save from v3 into v8, no problem

 

[NTR Critic]

So I just played this update and, honestly I can understand the guy complaining about forced fetishes above. I hadn't even finished the Anal training when the Johnny Bravo and Globetrotters Gangbang were just forced on me. Gangbang and Interracial are fetishes, and we were given absolutely no choice on whether those events "happened". Yes one was a supposed dream sequence but its still interracial gangbang fetish triggered with no agency from the player. Also, having scenes trigger with Anal that imply Daphne has already been trained when she hasn't yet is kind of a failure in your code. It breaks any kind of flow to the story.

Also, most players of Netori-centric games aren't usually enthusiastic about the LIs running off to get railed by others without being the one that corrupts them into doing so. Again, its the agency of the player that becomes the sticking point for many. Its not usually a good idea to cuck the player of a Netori game without very good reason.

Well, thank you for actually giving specific complaints. I could have sworn the JB event only happens once you do Anal training, but I'll check the code.

As for gangbang and interracial, I would not consider those *fetishes* in the same way that like scat or amputee stuff would be you know. Like I get what you are saying, but this is a porn game. Should I ask the player before showing every scene? "Hey this scene involves butt stuff, click here to skip!" idk, just seems like on a scale of fetish content, those two don't need a disclaimer, especially since like you said, the one is a fake out anyway.

For the last part, I could see that being an issue, but the game is about the corruption of Daphne. There is going to be a lot more content of Daphne x Guys that are not Red. The point is not that Red is taking her for himself, but he is corrupting her into being a woman who will sleep with anyone with a big enough penis.

Thanks for the feed back however, I will for sure take all of this into consideration!

 

[Eldebrand]

Well, thank you for actually giving specific complaints. I could have sworn the JB event only happens once you do Anal training, but I'll check the code.

As for gangbang and interracial, I would not consider those *fetishes* in the same way that like scat or amputee stuff would be you know. Like I get what you are saying, but this is a porn game. Should I ask the player before showing every scene? "Hey this scene involves butt stuff, click here to skip!" idk, just seems like on a scale of fetish content, those two don't need a disclaimer, especially since like you said, the one is a fake out anyway.

For the last part, I could see that being an issue, but the game is about the corruption of Daphne. There is going to be a lot more content of Daphne x Guys that are not Red. The point is not that Red is taking her for himself, but he is corrupting her into being a woman who will sleep with anyone with a big enough penis.

Thanks for the feed back however, I will for sure take all of this into consideration!

Im not saying you have to ask, but nothing in the "Plot" so far indicates that Reds goal is anything other than getting Daphne. Before adding scenes with multiple other characters, the story needs to reflect what you say the goal is. Youre getting ahead of yourself with these side-scenes, honestly. Build the core story first. From a players perspective your current development style feels like "Tease Story Progression Without Advancing The Story....Repeat Next Update".

Edit: On the topic of whether something is a fetish or not, its best to assume that if you can find it as a searchable tag on porn sites, then it is a fetish. Maybe not hardcore, but it is in fact a fetish. For the globetrotters and JB scene the part you messed up (in my opinion) is adding Velma. She states in multiple scenes that she belongs to Red and even shows reluctance to taking down Freddie to further the plot, but JB and the Trotters show up and she jumps right in. These kinds of events need triggers in the gameplay beyond just corruption level. Rather than asking the player, have a talk option with Velma or Daphne where Red introduces the idea of getting strangers involved with their "training" and let the player answer whether Daphne and Velma want to give it up to any dick big enough. This does introduce a bit more work. You should allow the player to choose One but not the Other, Both, Neither, and have the side scenes reflect those choices. And only have scenes like the GT and JB trigger if they fit the answer given by the player. You could even write further dialogue where Red reintroduces the idea as their corruption gets deeper and tries different arguments. Doing this makes it the players choice whether they are attempting to get Daphne and Velma for themselves or trying to go full slutified. To be honest, everything plot-wise I saw was screaming that Red was trying to get Daphne into a slave-like role where she has 3 redheaded kids with Red (2 boys 1 Girl) and she still marries Freddie, whom thinks all 3 redheads are his kids because blond and brunette can make redheads right? Red stays with Velma but doesn't marry and Daphne visits them for group fun from time to time. The way I was playing Daphne wasn't even going to give it up to Shaggy.

 

[NTR Critic]

Im not saying you have to ask, but nothing in the "Plot" so far indicates that Reds goal is anything other than getting Daphne. Before adding scenes with multiple other characters, the story needs to reflect what you say the goal is. Youre getting ahead of yourself with these side-scenes, honestly. Build the core story first. From a players perspective your current development style feels like "Tease Story Progression Without Advancing The Story....Repeat Next Update".

Edit: On the topic of whether something is a fetish or not, its best to assume that if you can find it as a searchable tag on porn sites, then it is a fetish. Maybe not hardcore, but it is in fact a fetish. For the globetrotters and JB scene the part you messed up (in my opinion) is adding Velma. She states in multiple scenes that she belongs to Red and even shows reluctance to taking down Freddie to further the plot, but JB and the Trotters show up and she jumps right in. These kinds of events need triggers in the gameplay beyond just corruption level. Rather than asking the player, have a talk option with Velma or Daphne where Red introduces the idea of getting strangers involved with their "training" and let the player answer whether Daphne and Velma want to give it up to any dick big enough. This does introduce a bit more work. You should allow the player to choose One but not the Other, Both, Neither, and have the side scenes reflect those choices. And only have scenes like the GT and JB trigger if they fit the answer given by the player. You could even write further dialogue where Red reintroduces the idea as their corruption gets deeper and tries different arguments. Doing this makes it the players choice whether they are attempting to get Daphne and Velma for themselves or trying to go full slutified. To be honest, everything plot-wise I saw was screaming that Red was trying to get Daphne into a slave-like role where she has 3 redheaded kids with Red (2 boys 1 Girl) and she still marries Freddie, whom thinks all 3 redheads are his kids because blond and brunette can make redheads right? Red stays with Velma but doesn't marry and Daphne visits them for group fun from time to time. The way I was playing Daphne wasn't even going to give it up to Shaggy.

100% agree about the side stuff, but the way forward with the story is to have Daphne have sex... but it is such a big event I could not bring myself to just throw it in some random update, so I set to make it the year anniversary update. Now that that is done, I can finally focus more on Red's intent and all that.

That being said, you would not believe how hard it is to find a good NTR writer to hire. I've tried a couple times to find a writer and either they are a bit too prose heavy (So they can't write dialogue... which is 99% of the game) or they flake out on me and don't respond.

As for the velma part, that is a good call. Obviously the globetrotters one is done as more of a joke, since it is a dream sequence, but maybe I should have Red order her to have sex with Jonny or something.

A lot of the "Giving players options" stuff really only works once the game is done. Otherwise when this v8 update came out, if you chose no... there would basically be no content.

Also... smh, doing my man Shaggy a disservice. Free love man (I would include an emoji of a hippie here... but it doesn't exist)

All really interesting points, but yeah, a lot of the future plans for the story involve Red basically pimping out the girls, so maybe I'll look into a "Sharing" switch, but then those updates will be pretty barren (I don't make enough money on this to do 2 big scenes per update)

Finally, if anyone knows a good NTR writer or is one... hit me up at ntrcritic on discord with examples of dialogue / scenarios.

 

[Zelerix]

every update is a heavy velma update.. smh.

 

[ssuas]

v9 and V10 are both out out but not uploaded on here sadly