Unity Completed Lewd Border: Waifus [v1.00] [Dana's Demons]

[wyldmage]

Yeah this whole AI art circle jerk is really getting quite tiresome. you make a very compelling argument regarding the many other low-effort v0.0.1 games that never get anywhere.

Honestly, the 0.1 and other games by people who share their game and have given up within 1-3 months is it's own problem on this site.

But even if every game shared here was at least "50% complete", it would still feel flooded by Daz3D. And I have yet to see anyone present a rational argument for why AI art is worse than 3D rendering art.

With 1 exception - and that is that AI art is trained "illegally" using artists' work without their permission.

Which I can get behind. Companies that trained their AI art generation that way are shitty scumbags. But that's not something you should blame the end user (the game dev) for. They just want to make a game using the options at their disposal. Blaming them for unethical AI training is like blaming the chef at Denny's for mass livestock farms being inhumane to the animals. The chef just wants to make a living, doing something he/she enjoys (hopefully somewhat), and/or to share their passion for food with others.

If we, as a community, want to "raise the bar" on the quality of games here, banning AI Art is the wrong way to go. Banning 0.1 games that are barely tech demos would be the best start. Banning any link to patreon/subscribestar for any game that is not yet complete would be next. And because if we're going to ban AI art, we should be banning ALL games with art that is not produced by a living human artist.

At least, IMHO.

And it just gets so tiring seeing another AI art game pop up, and the first 5-10 posts all bitching about AI art because they have nothing better to do. Many of them don't even bother trying the game - they just want to grandstand.

And regardless, it's not happening. The devs & community have made it clear that this is an OPEN space for sharing games. Tags *are* the moderation for that. If a tag is missing, tsk tsk. But things should be tagged, not banned. Which makes it even sillier to complain incessently about AI Art - because nothing is going to change from complaining here.

If AI art bothers those people so much, they should be writing letters to their representatives, government, etc, proposing laws regarding the ethical training of AI, and the proper crediting and payment of artists for the use of their work. Not posting on F95.

 

[Ey24122]

Honestly, the 0.1 and other games by people who share their game and have given up within 1-3 months is it's own problem on this site.

But even if every game shared here was at least "50% complete", it would still feel flooded by Daz3D. And I have yet to see anyone present a rational argument for why AI art is worse than 3D rendering art.

With 1 exception - and that is that AI art is trained "illegally" using artists' work without their permission.

Which I can get behind. Companies that trained their AI art generation that way are shitty scumbags. But that's not something you should blame the end user (the game dev) for. They just want to make a game using the options at their disposal. Blaming them for unethical AI training is like blaming the chef at Denny's for mass livestock farms being inhumane to the animals. The chef just wants to make a living, doing something he/she enjoys (hopefully somewhat), and/or to share their passion for food with others.

If we, as a community, want to "raise the bar" on the quality of games here, banning AI Art is the wrong way to go. Banning 0.1 games that are barely tech demos would be the best start. Banning any link to patreon/subscribestar for any game that is not yet complete would be next. And because if we're going to ban AI art, we should be banning ALL games with art that is not produced by a living human artist.

At least, IMHO.

And it just gets so tiring seeing another AI art game pop up, and the first 5-10 posts all bitching about AI art because they have nothing better to do. Many of them don't even bother trying the game - they just want to grandstand.

And regardless, it's not happening. The devs & community have made it clear that this is an OPEN space for sharing games. Tags *are* the moderation for that. If a tag is missing, tsk tsk. But things should be tagged, not banned. Which makes it even sillier to complain incessently about AI Art - because nothing is going to change from complaining here.

If AI art bothers those people so much, they should be writing letters to their representatives, government, etc, proposing laws regarding the ethical training of AI, and the proper crediting and payment of artists for the use of their work. Not posting on F95.

For sure, the flood of generic Daz / HunieSelect / Koikatsu stuff is really quite tiresome and really no different for me than generic AI generated art. if it's low-effort, it's low-effort. the medium is irrelevant.

I wrote this whole thing before realising i'm just repeating what you said... i'll leave it here either way because i think that, at least, it adds more value than those anti AI art posts do

I don't necessarily agree about where to put the blame though. This isn't an issue of legality, it's one of morality - and in that light, the developers cannot really be doing anything "wrong". If you don't like the use of AI art and think it should be illegal, there's no point harassing developers, go talk to your elected representatives, participate in public awareness campaigns, lobby your government. If a developer doesn't personally have any moral issues with AI-generated art, and it's not illegal where they live, there's really no problem with them making use of it. If you don't want to support that, it's perfectly fine as well! ignore them and move on. Ironically, by commenting on / about such games just gives them more traction by heightening engagement metrics...

Same thing with the restaurants, right? if you're vegan for moral reasons, you're free to not support restaurants that don't match your moral standards, and try to propagate your viewpoint in a reasonable, productive way. harassing the people working there is pointless at best and counter-productive at worst. There are chefs that hold that viewpoint as well, nothing prevents them from creating a fully vegan restaurant where they make the best food without use of animal products, that's a thing that exists and can be done very well!

Regarding "raising the bar", it's a bit difficult given the questionable nature of most of the content here (this is basically the high seas). denying developers the ability to promote themselves risks alienating them enough they start to try taking down any postings of their games, which would ultimately harm everyone involved. any added moderation risks breaking the status quo.

It might be possible to try and filter things with extra tags & maybe game size information. It still wouldn't be perfect but i'd know to ignore CG games with a tiny bundle size, for instance. (you're not going to fit many full screen renders in tens of megabytes)

 

[MossMisfit]

ai art trash. see some people like, weirdly defending it, kind of? idk. ai art is just ugly low effort theft of real artists' work. and yes, it does indeed take away work from real artists, believe it or not. i can understand and am fine with some limited uses of ai art, such as placeholders, concept ideas, references, those types of 'non-permanent' pics, if you get what i mean. but use of ai art as the intended end product? this game? deplorable. and yes, its porn, blah blah blah. but porn artists do still exist and make money off of making art for said porn games. so use of ai art is still effecting even in these cesspits.

also saw someone arguing the use of 3d models from whatever and wherever vs ai art and that just simply isnt the same. ai art is theft of real artists' art, mashed together. the use of existing 3d models is, typically, from the source and is intended to be used. assuming it wasnt pirated or whatever such but thats a different topic entirely, and not much fitting for a place like this lol. anyways it just doesnt compare. use of lazy 3d models and what not, even if often ugly, actually takes effort, time and at least SOME skill and is more ethical (sometimes lol). ai art is empty, soulless, uses no effort, time, skill, conviction, nothing. and is way less ethical in near every regard.

anyways, bad game, better elsewhere, best to move on.

 

[wyldmage]

ai art trash. see some people like, weirdly defending it, kind of? idk. ai art is just ugly low effort theft of real artists' work. and yes, it does indeed take away work from real artists, believe it or not. i can understand and am fine with some limited uses of ai art, such as placeholders, concept ideas, references, those types of 'non-permanent' pics, if you get what i mean. but use of ai art as the intended end product? this game? deplorable. and yes, its porn, blah blah blah. but porn artists do still exist and make money off of making art for said porn games. so use of ai art is still effecting even in these cesspits.

also saw someone arguing the use of 3d models from whatever and wherever vs ai art and that just simply isnt the same. ai art is theft of real artists' art, mashed together. the use of existing 3d models is, typically, from the source and is intended to be used. assuming it wasnt pirated or whatever such but thats a different topic entirely, and not much fitting for a place like this lol. anyways it just doesnt compare. use of lazy 3d models and what not, even if often ugly, actually takes effort, time and at least SOME skill and is more ethical (sometimes lol). ai art is empty, soulless, uses no effort, time, skill, conviction, nothing. and is way less ethical in near every regard.

anyways, bad game, better elsewhere, best to move on.

Not defending this specific game, nor really defending AI art.

Rather, my post was attacking people who insist on attacking AI art, because they always have such terrible takes. Let's take yours:

ai art is just ugly low effort theft of real artists' work

Okay, so online engines were trained by using artist's work without their permission. But not all AI art uses those generators. AI art *can* be done ethical, yet you choose to paint a black and white picture with your statement, where any & all AI art is produced using "pirated" training.

But you're here on a site FULL of pirated games. You obviously don't care about the low effort theft of DEVELOPER's work. The work that they did to make a game, whether shitty or amazing, you're on a site rife with people taking that work & enjoying it for free.

Do you see the hypocrisy in the "AI art is unethical" statement?

someone arguing the use of 3d models from whatever

Yeah, that's me. It was 2 posts ago. You really playing the "someone" card, like nobody knows who it could be, etc?

ai art is theft of real artists' art, mashed together. the use of existing 3d models is, typically, from the source and is intended to be used

A point that I also made IN my post. I literally admitted that the training is unethical.

Great that you'd bother responding, and commenting to show that you read my post, but you chose to completely ignore the ONE point I made in counter to that.

I'll repeat it here for you:

Blaming them (Game Devs) for unethical AI training is like blaming the chef at Denny's for mass livestock farms being inhumane to the animals. The chef just wants to make a living, doing something he/she enjoys (hopefully somewhat), and/or to share their passion for food with others.

So tell me, why are you blaming the developer for how AI art is generated? They're just the cook. They aren't the ones who decided to be scummy and unethical to train the AI. They're just wanting to make a porn video game, and using a tool that helps them do so. Just like a cook using chicken or beef that wasn't raised ethically. Or do you demand to see the chef when you go to a sit down restaurant, just to lambast them over the fact that the meat industry is a cesspool of profit-mongering and animal cruelty?

You referenced my post, but failed to meaningfully reply to any point in it, and all your own post did was rehash points already made, many of which I conceded IN my post.

You're just a nobody looking to pontificate from a moral high ground, and taking any chance you can to do so.

This game is garbage. But it would have been garbage regardless of the dev using AI art, real porn, 3d models, etc. It's garbage due to the low effort, not because of the AI art.