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The length of the update does depends mostly of reading speed. Someone needs more time. But yes, Naughty's updates are really, really long. If we get done 50% more content we could look at about 12-15 hours of gameplay. If we call mathematics for help, he created 40-55 minutes of new content per month of development. And if we compare to other developers, that's not great... It's beyond great. I don't remember any developer who create such amount per month. point.
The length of a VN is measured in word and image count, not gameplay hours.
 
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This week in some sentences: One full playthrough for happy path done. Obviously, I fixed a whole bunch of stuff as I went so it was anything but a speed run, but the time it took to play through all content still took me by surprise. (more details in the running blogpost on patreon/subscribestar)
Oof. Slower progress than I’d hoped. Maybe mid-august.
 

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This week in some sentences: One full playthrough for happy path done. Obviously, I fixed a whole bunch of stuff as I went so it was anything but a speed run, but the time it took to play through all content still took me by surprise. (more details in the running blogpost on patreon/subscribestar)
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Slimeee

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I love this game but can someone please help me understand why the update takes so long? I realize that it's a lot of content each time but 90% of the content is the same five already created stills of the girls standing there looking surprised then upset then happy in every conversation. If almost every conversation with the characters is already rendered for the most part and they just reuse the same renders over and over, why does it take so long?
Because the dev can get away with it, he could just do smaller updates but people like the game so much that they are willing to wait literal years for an update, I think its insane but hey I dont pay for it so it will drop when it drops, nothing we can do about it, since the consensus right now is "its worth the wait no matter what". This is not an attack on the dev by the way because Id do the same thing.
 

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I love this game but can someone please help me understand why the update takes so long? I realize that it's a lot of content each time but 90% of the content is the same five already created stills of the girls standing there looking surprised then upset then happy in every conversation. If almost every conversation with the characters is already rendered for the most part and they just reuse the same renders over and over, why does it take so long?
Because the dev makes every update so that it has a complete sub-arc. There's the whole arc, which will span the entire game, and then there are shorter ones.

You are familiar with the subject, as most TV-series do this. Each episode has a complete sub-arc. Througout a season bits and pieces from the different episodes tie in to develop the entire story progression.

But, then there's different kinds of TV-series, and thus different demands on how much time you need to tell the piece of the story you need to tell. Simple sitcoms make do with 20 minutes or whatever it is, whereas something like "The Sopranos" or "Band of Brothers" which have a much more developed story, more plotlines, more developed characters, require an hour or so to make someting that holds together as a separate episode.

And Naughty has made it clear that he doesn't want to release an episode that doesn't lead anywhere on its own, nor simplify the story so that it fits in the sitcom slot.
 

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This week in some sentences: One full playthrough for happy path done. Obviously, I fixed a whole bunch of stuff as I went so it was anything but a speed run, but the time it took to play through all content still took me by surprise. (more details in the running blogpost on patreon/subscribestar)
Looks like we are gonna wait another month
 

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I love this game but can someone please help me understand why the update takes so long? I realize that it's a lot of content each time but 90% of the content is the same five already created stills of the girls standing there looking surprised then upset then happy in every conversation. If almost every conversation with the characters is already rendered for the most part and they just reuse the same renders over and over, why does it take so long?
Yeah, you'd think so. But then you learn that there are 12K of images in chapters 1 to 6 (of which 5.7k in chapter 6), and chapter 7, by my last tally in May, adds shy of another 10k, and that sheds a bit of a different light on "it's just the same 5 stills used over and over again". Just for kicks, take a scene like Macy's big one in the last chapter, or the Covens ritual, and start counting the numbers and variations and combinations and backgrounds, and the way it's all scripted together and the pans and the zooms and movements, to see where the timesinks are.

Also, creating the visuals are just part of the work. Story and scripting take more than a fair amount of time too. Time to redo the math, those 4 kilohours of work I spent on chapter 7 'til now weren't all getting high on my own supply. :D
 
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