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JollyGeorgieM

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I was under the impression the events in the beginning of game explains Macy's behavior towards the MC
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Interesting. I thought it was clear she got mad not because he kissed her, but because he stopped. She was eager to kiss the MC, but hated the thought that he only finally fulfilled her true desire because he was drunk enough to confuse her with his dead wife. She (imo) clearly longs for daddy because she frequently references "if only [the other two] knew" about why she was upset with the MC all the time (but she cannot tell them because it is so taboo).

Really looking forward to the update, naughtyroad !! Love this game. I'm still so impressed with how you make the player really love the MC's daughters. Keep up the great work!
 

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It can only be leaked... if it exists. So does that mean Chapter 3 is ready? :PogChamp:
It's being proofread as we speak. I'm doing some bonus stuff in parallel in the mean time.

(...) If this game keeps up with this quality i will definitely support you but i have a question how many chapters you have planned?
There's going to be quite a few more. There's a story arch that will conclude at some point, but if there's an interest to continue on with the adventures of these characters beyond that (in this or a different setting) I don't see why not. But that's a bridge to cross when we get there.

Well the idea that you can see every render of a game in one playthrough implies your choices change nothing at all, which, if you are given choices. would reduce the characters' personalities far more.
or it means u did all the right choices instead of doing something wrong
That you can see them all doesn't mean you will (for instance some people dislike Brooke and avoid her like the plague, so there's a choice there and it's meaningful and alters the story and interactions with other characters, but it won't keep you from seeing a lewd with for instance one of the S3 girls). And in some cases it will also means an alternative, premature ending.

I was under the impression the events in the beginning of game explains Macy's behavior towards the MC (...)
Those events actually happen in the future, after the intro, it says "a few weeks earlier..." and the story proper starts.
 

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Interesting. I thought it was clear she got mad not because he kissed her, but because he stopped. She was eager to kiss the MC, but hated the thought that he only finally fulfilled her true desire because he was drunk enough to confuse her with his dead wife. She (imo) clearly longs for daddy because she frequently references "if only [the other two] knew" about why she was upset with the MC all the time (but she cannot tell them because it is so taboo).

Really looking forward to the update, naughtyroad !! Love this game. I'm still so impressed with how you make the player really love the MC's daughters. Keep up the great work!
oh damn I need to play it again :oops:
 

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I was under the impression the events in the beginning of game explains Macy's behavior towards the MC
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I did not get that impression from that scene.
Interesting. I thought it was clear she got mad not because he kissed her, but because he stopped. She was eager to kiss the MC, but hated the thought that he only finally fulfilled her true desire because he was drunk enough to confuse her with his dead wife. She (imo) clearly longs for daddy because she frequently references "if only [the other two] knew" about why she was upset with the MC all the time (but she cannot tell them because it is so taboo).
And that's the way I interpreted the scene.
 

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If that's the case it makes no sense i mean if you love someone you don't treat her/him like shit
Love doesn't always make sense. There's much more to come and I am most certain that we don't have all the pieces, since NR pretty much told us that. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. It's all idle speculation by me, and it's not like I am worried about being wrong...that probably happens more than I am right.
 

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That you can see them all doesn't mean you will (for instance some people dislike Brooke and avoid her like the plague, so there's a choice there and it's meaningful and alters the story and interactions with other characters, but it won't keep you from seeing a lewd with for instance one of the S3 girls). And in some cases it will also means an alternative, premature ending.
Fair point. Mutually exclusive paths aren't necessary to having a game that lets the player change the story, though they do show that the player can possibly change it more than they could in a game without (that's not always the case though).
 
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If that's the case it makes no sense i mean if you love someone you don't treat her/him like shit
Hmmm, in my experience, it's quite the opposite. Humans are complex beings with many competing desires and urges, psychological and social hangups, quirks and insecurities. You always hurt the ones closed to you, because they have to deal with all that stuff.

Now, what you're getting at is some sort of platonic ideal love. I don't mean the no-touchy stuff, I mean the idea suggested by Plato that there's a perfect version of something (perfect celestial bodies in the sky, perfect ideas in our mind), and all instances we see here on earth (e.g. real life) are flawed. Your suggestion of love is that Platonic ideal, and in my experience it doesn't exist in real life.
 

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If that's the case it makes no sense i mean if you love someone you don't treat her/him like shit
It's a very common and popular trope, the japanese call them "tsundere".
The character likes/loves another character but that frustrates them for a moltitude of reasons (don't know how to act upon it, feel like they shouldn't have those feelings, etc.) so they turn that frustration into anger towards the one the like/love.
 

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It's a very common and popular trope, the japanese call them "tsundere".
Yep im aware of the tsunderes but Macy doesn't fit in that description at least not completely cause no matter what we do in the game so far there's no change damn in one save file i even rejected Brooke to see if that makes her a little happy but nop


Hmmm, in my experience, it's quite the opposite. Humans are complex beings with many competing desires and urges, psychological and social hangups, quirks and insecurities. You always hurt the ones closed to you, because they have to deal with all that stuff.

Now, what you're getting at is some sort of platonic ideal love. I don't mean the no-touchy stuff, I mean the idea suggested by Plato that there's a perfect version of something (perfect celestial bodies in the sky, perfect ideas in our mind), and all instances we see here on earth (e.g. real life) are flawed. Your suggestion of love is that Platonic ideal, and in my experience it doesn't exist in real life.
Yes I know that in real life love like that don't exist at least until one point cause in all relationships it's all ups and downs there's fights too but in my experience when someone treats you like that it becomes toxic and unhealthy im not talking about Macy and the mc in this case because they aren't in a relationship but even in real life when you are attracted to someone if she/he starts behaving like that it's a red flag and can become really toxic i know this firsthand
Its It's just that no matter what the player does she hates the mc lol and i know this is gonna change but still that won't change my mind that you can treat people like that even when they are nothing but good to you.
 
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It's a very common and popular trope, the japanese call them "tsundere".
The character likes/loves another character but that frustrates them for a moltitude of reasons (don't know how to act upon it, feel like they shouldn't have those feelings, etc.) so they turn that frustration into anger towards the one the like/love.
*cough* Macy *cough*
 

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Yep im aware of the tsunderes but Macy doesn't fit in that description at least not completely cause no matter what we do in the game so far there's no change damn in one save file i even rejected Brooke to see if that makes her a little happy but nop



Yes I know that in real life love like that don't exist at least until one point cause in all relationships it's all ups and downs there's fights too but in my experience when someone treats you like that it becomes toxic and unhealthy im not talking about Macy and the mc in this case because they aren't in a relationship but even in real life when you are attracted to someone if she/he starts behaving like that it's a red flag and can become really toxic i know this firsthand
Its It's just that no matter what the player does she hates the mc lol and i know this is gonna change but still that won't change my mind that you can treat people like that even when they are nothing but good to you.
I disagree, I don't think she hates the MC at all nor do I think that there is "no change in her" towards him. I think she's a confused, scared and even traumatized young woman who has built inner walls as a defense mechanism. Why? Not certain yet, maybe it's survivors guilt, maybe it's something that happened between her and the MC previously or maybe she blames him for her mothers' death. We will need more info before it becomes more clear, but either way we have seen moments in which she does let her guard down and opens up to the MC. Now it's been a few months since I played this, but in my play through I recall her having moments were even she seems confused as to why she's so angry at him. I'm sure it will become more clear in future releases, but I don't think she's a toxic person...just a young woman who is dealing with some emotions and baggage she hasn't figured out to handle yet.
 

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I disagree, I don't think she hates the MC at all nor do I think that there is "no change in her" towards him. I think she's a confused, scared and even traumatized young woman who has built inner walls as a defense mechanism. Why? Not certain yet, maybe it's survivors guilt, maybe it's something that happened between her and the MC previously or maybe she blames him for her mothers' death. We will need more info before it becomes more clear, but either way we have seen moments in which she does let her guard down and opens up to the MC. Now it's been a few months since I played this, but in my play through I recall her having moments were even she seems confused as to why she's so angry at him. I'm sure it will become more clear in future releases, but I don't think she's a toxic person...just a young woman who is dealing with some emotions and baggage she hasn't figured out to handle yet.
I think it may be more to it than that......if I remember right, I think there is a condition for girls called Electra complex or something like that. (basically where the daughter is trying to get rid of the Mother and take her place as a Wife)
I don't think Macy is struggling with blaming Dad for Mother's death....so much as, she probably had a thing for the Dad for a long time and wished that the Mother would just die so Macy could then take her place.

The Mother then passes away....not sure if it was said how (don't think it was though), either by accident or sickness.
Anyway, I think deep down that Macy blames herself, for having wished it to begin with.....and then it happened, and now she don't know how to deal with it.
She still has those same feelings for Dad, and wants their relationship to move forward, despite her blaming herself.

I also think the first and last scene, where the Dad kisses her and snaps out of his stupor.....first calling her the dead wifes name and then panicking when he realizes its Macy.

Not only did it shoot guilt in Macy for Mom, but may have also felt like a direct insult and rejection from Dad...at the same time. That's when she cocked back and floored him good...Lol!!

I bet in the morning she'll have a different take on it (having had the whole night to cool down and think) and she'll have to then open up and have a serious talk......followed buy hot sweaty animal sex with him after...Lol!!...................Peace!!
 
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I think it may be more to it than that......if I remember right, I think there is a condition for girls called Electra complex or something like that. (basically where the daughter is trying to get rid of the Mother and take her place as a Wife)
I don't think Macy is struggling with blaming Dad for Mother's death....so much as, she probably had a thing for the Dad for a long time and wished that the Mother would just die so Macy could then take her place.

The Mother then passes away....not sure if it was said how (don't think it was though), either by accident or sickness.
Anyway, I think deep down that Macy blames herself, for having wished it to begin with.....and then it happened, and now she don't know how to deal with it.
She still has those same feelings for Dad, and wants their relationship to move forward, despite her blaming herself.

I also think the first and last scene, where the Dad kisses her and snaps out of his stupor.....first calling her the dead wifes name and then panicking when he realizes its Macy.

Not only did it shoot guilt in Macy for Mom, but may have also felt like a direct insult and rejection from Dad...at the same time. That's when she cocked back and floored him good...Lol!!

I bet in the morning she'll have a different take on it (having had the whole night to cool down and think) and she'll have to then open up and have a serious talk......followed buy hot sweaty animal sex with him after...Lol!!...................Peace!!
Nice analysis...there is much to ponder here. *proceeds to ponder*
 
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When is the update coming ? Feel like forever sinds last update :( This game is so good i kept a eye hoping to see a update
 
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