VN Ren'Py Light of My Life [Ch.8 v0.8.2] [Naughty Road]

[PBS666]

There are plently of Monet pieces where the subjects are "looking" at the "lens" and posing, but can't quite be described as the entire focus of the portrait. He just had the stylistic license to not use features on his subjects faces so that you'd be able to appreciate his focus on the interplay of light and the environments he favored. It would just be a trip into uncanny valley if the artist effaced the model to provide the same effect, and would probably just draw further attention to her as opposed to achieving said effect. Instead the deliberate clothing choice that reflects the blue hues from the pavement and her skin tone and the shadows on her face mirroring the light and shadows on the sky behind her provide the "effacing" effect. Of course, there's no way to know the artist's intent without actually hearing what they have to say, and believe me I hate a poorly setup pinup as much as anyone. It's actually a huge artistic pet peeve of mine.

EDIT: An example shot of the sort of Monet piece I'm describing:

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The first thing I see when looking at this Monet, is that his composition resembles the crop I made of the photo. Subject in the middle, no competing elements. This is not a landscape, but a portrait.

And I still think that the colours in the picture were the result of not using a correct white balance. They might be pleasing, but only if you accept that the models skin looks blueish. There is almost as much blue in her skin than red. (Most photographers would hide this afterwards by rendering the picture in black and white, because it would not fly telling the model/creative director it's okay the skin of the model looks blue because now the background looks correct or because of some creative licence).

Also, if you want to compare impressionist paintings with photos, in photography there are techniques which result in the same "effacing" effect you describe, without going to uncanny valley. Slow shutterspeed for instance, resulting in motion blur which looks natural in a photo.

Finally, I think you give this photographer way too much credit when you compare this photograph with the work of one the masters of Impressionism.

 

[afterlights]

There's a lot to like about that model, but especially those tits in that dress.

 

[yoyomistro]

The first thing I see when looking at this Monet, is that his composition resembles the crop I made of the photo. Subject in the middle, no competing elements. This is not a landscape, but a portrait.

And I still think that the colours in the picture were the result of not using a correct white balance. They might be pleasing, but only if you accept that the models skin looks blueish. There is almost as much blue in her skin than red. (Most photographers would hide this afterwards by rendering the picture in black and white, because it would not fly telling the model/creative director it's okay the skin of the model looks blue because now the background looks correct or because of some creative licence).

Also, if you want to compare impressionist paintings with photos, in photography there are techniques which result in the same "effacing" effect you describe, without going to uncanny valley. Slow shutterspeed for instance, resulting in motion blur which looks natural in a photo.

Finally, I think you give this photographer way too much credit when you compare this photograph with the work of one the masters of Impressionism.

I suppose we've waffled on about this enough to probably constitute a derailment lol; but this thread has always been as much about symbolic art as erotica, so waffle on I will. I didn't choose that photo for its composition which is why I didn't mention that aspect, but purely as an example of effacement of "focused" subjects, further enhanced by the clothing blending almost seamlessly with the sky, and serving as major reference points for the light source as ensconced in shadow. And like I said, I see a landscape, you see a portrait, so we're going to talk past each other to eternity as our frames of reference cannot square and we'd merely be stacking bricks onto our foundational points as to what sort of piece the photo constitutes.

Also invocation is not equalization, labeling something as "Kafkaesque" doesn't render it equal to the works of the referenced artist; merely points out thematic similarity or analogy. I reference Monet as a baseline for my thematic analysis. I am not a photographer and I'd be lying if I claimed any level of technical astuteness in the field, but I truly do think he would use subjects in a similar way to enhance a landscape had he had access to digital photography--maybe to better reception, maybe not. Also, Monet, as many artists were, was derided by his more technically minded contemporaries and his art gained wider appreciation posthumously--again, as many artists pieces do. The term impressionisme was coined satirically, in fact. So as with all things artistic, his wide appreciation in the modern era is largely subjective, regardless of the technical merits of his approach.

EDIT: Changed equivocation to equalization.

 

[Dragon59]

I suppose we've waffled on about this enough to probably constitute a derailment lol;

How about them Tardigrades, eh?

 

[yoyomistro]

How about them Tardigrades, eh?

 

[Dragon59]

It's so CUUUUUUUTE!

 

[yoyomistro]

It's so CUUUUUUUTE!

He's Tad Mullholland (great name, huh?) from Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts. A show worth checking out for sure. Maybe even good enough to keep some people from chomping at the bit waiting for the next update . Okay, maybe not that good, but think of it like a kid-friendly Blue Gender if you're old enough of an anime fan.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

There's a lot to like about that model, but especially those tits in that dress.

Yes that dress..... but more importanly..... those tits....

 

[afterlights]

Yandex tells me this is Liana Jojua. There are several other pics that are Denise-like, but their behaviors are total opposites!

 

[naughtyroad]

Yandex tells me this is Liana Jojua. There are several other pics that are Denise-like, but their behaviors are total opposites!

Now that you put a name to her, she kinda looked familiar. I think some others posted images of her before in this thread.

 

[Abhai]

Now that you put a name to her, she kinda looked familiar. I think some others posted images of her before in this thread.

Georgian ufc fighter

 

[PBS666]

I suppose we've waffled on about this enough to probably constitute a derailment lol; but this thread has always been as much about symbolic art as erotica, so waffle on I will. I didn't choose that photo for its composition which is why I didn't mention that aspect, but purely as an example of effacement of "focused" subjects, further enhanced by the clothing blending almost seamlessly with the sky, and serving as major reference points for the light source as ensconced in shadow. And like I said, I see a landscape, you see a portrait, so we're going to talk past each other to eternity as our frames of reference cannot square and we'd merely be stacking bricks onto our foundational points as to what sort of piece the photo constitutes.

Also invocation is not equalization, labeling something as "Kafkaesque" doesn't render it equal to the works of the referenced artist; merely points out thematic similarity or analogy. I reference Monet as a baseline for my thematic analysis. I am not a photographer and I'd be lying if I claimed any level of technical astuteness in the field, but I truly do think he would use subjects in a similar way to enhance a landscape had he had access to digital photography--maybe to better reception, maybe not. Also, Monet, as many artists were, was derided by his more technically minded contemporaries and his art gained wider appreciation posthumously--again, as many artists pieces do. The term impressionisme was coined satirically, in fact. So as with all things artistic, his wide appreciation in the modern era is largely subjective, regardless of the technical merits of his approach.

EDIT: Changed equivocation to equalization.

You could say this conversation is still on-topic, because Art plays a big role in this game, both in the story and in the rendering of the scenes (the picnic scene that strongly reminded me of Manet's Dejeuner sur l'herbe comes to mind). Also it started with a picture which resembles one of the main characters.
On the other hand, I think we have spent more time on this than the photographer did when he took the picture which started this whole argument, so for me I will end it here. I did enjoy our conversation however. I think it was civil and educated. It appears Naughtyroad's game brings out the best in people, at least in some of them

Some closing remarks I still wish to make:

A photo/painting can definitely be both a landscape and a portrait. I still do not think this photograph succeeds in this, or evens succeeds in any of those two, because of the composition.

When photography was invented, a lot of painters started using it as part of their workflow and became proficient with it (such as Degas) or later even became famous photographers in their own right (George Hurrell for example), so one could wonder what Monet would have done if he've had access to a modern camera. Well, he would probably have made better pictures than I will ever make

 

[yoyomistro]

Yandex tells me this is Liana Jojua. There are several other pics that are Denise-like, but their behaviors are total opposites!

Wow, would have never guessed that she was a UFC fighter, or Georgian, lol. Thanks for the info!

You could say this conversation is still on-topic, because Art plays a big role in this game, both in the story and in the rendering of the scenes (the picnic scene that strongly reminded me of Manet's Dejeuner sur l'herbe comes to mind). Also it started with a picture which resembles one of the main characters.
On the other hand, I think we have spent more time on this than the photographer did when he took the picture which started this whole argument, so for me I will end it here. I did enjoy our conversation however. I think it was civil and educated. It appears Naughtyroad's game brings out the best in people, at least in some of them

Some closing remarks I still wish to make:

A photo/painting can definitely be both a landscape and a portrait. I still do not think this photograph succeeds in this, or evens succeeds in any of those two, because of the composition.

When photography was invented, a lot of painters started using it as part of their workflow and became proficient with it (such as Degas) or later even became famous photographers in their own right (George Hurrell for example), so one could wonder what Monet would have done if he've had access to a modern camera. Well, he would probably have made better pictures than I will ever make

I accept your rationale, lol. Also that Manet's a perfect comparison to the picnic scene, it's pretty incredible. I don't remember seeing that piece but the Musée d'Orsay is huge and I have goldfish memory in recent years. I definitely didn't see all the pieces I wanted to there, especially the van Goghs (not sure if it was a time issue or if they weren't available to see when I went...) anyway so I'll have to see if I can catch it next time I'm flush enough to afford to visit.

Hurrell is definitely like, quintessential glamour/pinup so yea if you're comparing this piece to that it's gonna look like a jank portrait but I maintain my contention and I like it as stylistic landscape. Skimming her twitter profile, it appears that she has a preference for wide shots that don't center her completely if she's in front of a particularly nice vista, and on that photo in particular it seemed that she wanted the focus to be on the location, which is apparently in Vegas (woulda never guessed, never been there but it does look similar to the outskirts as portrayed in some movies I've seen). Seems she and her photographer/social media manager are in agreement on the style of shots they want though.

 

[animekid99]

still waiting on the new update

 

[jestertlw]

still waiting on the new update

My observations (your mileage may vary): The current update was released at the beginning of January, which was 8 months after the previous one. On Friday, someone posted the progress report image from the developer and it looks about halfway done. Unless there is a huge difference between the first half and the second half of this update, personally I will be looking for the next update about 4 months from now.

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[Miðgarðsormr]

Now that you put a name to her, she kinda looked familiar. I think some others posted images of her before in this thread.

Yeah i kinda rememberd those tits....uh butt....uh i mean face....yes the face from somewhere as well.......god i am going to hell............i hope she does too.

You could say this conversation is still on-topic, because Art plays a big role in this game, both in the story and in the rendering of the scenes (the picnic scene that strongly reminded me of Manet's Dejeuner sur l'herbe comes to mind). Also it started with a picture which resembles one of the main characters.
On the other hand, I think we have spent more time on this than the photographer did when he took the picture which started this whole argument, so for me I will end it here. I did enjoy our conversation however. I think it was civil and educated. It appears Naughtyroad's game brings out the best in people, at least in some of them

Some closing remarks I still wish to make:

A photo/painting can definitely be both a landscape and a portrait. I still do not think this photograph succeeds in this, or evens succeeds in any of those two, because of the composition.

When photography was invented, a lot of painters started using it as part of their workflow and became proficient with it (such as Degas) or later even became famous photographers in their own right (George Hurrell for example), so one could wonder what Monet would have done if he've had access to a modern camera. Well, he would probably have made better pictures than I will ever make

Not only art. The trip to the museum in which denise and the MC are discussing the Art and meaning of different pictures are about Lot and his daughters. In case some ppl do not know this. Lot was a holy man who married his daughters. Not going to much into this but basically the same the MC is doing or we all want him to do.

We could already start a philosophical discussion about this topic xD

To me that is the fascinating aspect of the game. Some can discuss the Art of every and each scene and how they transition perfectly into one another without feeling forced while also providing an excellent contrast of colours which are pleasing to the eye as well aside from the story that hooks you in.
Others can discuss the lighting and the scenery in general.
People like me can appreciate the writing and the dialouge which feel natural and also not forced and still manage to progress the story at a enjoyable speed.

It is literally a cake for everyone

 

[Dragon59]

Not only art. The trip to the museum in which denise and the MC are discussing the Art and meaning of different pictures are about Lot and his daughters. In case some ppl do not know this. Lot was a holy man who married his daughters. Not going to much into this but basically the same the MC is doing or we all want him to do.

More accurately, after Lot's wife died (was saltified), the daughters took pity on their father and wanted to give him a male heir. As shown in the art (a foreshadowing later scenes), Lot's daughters got him drunk to reduce his inhibitions. I was particularly struck by the imagery when they were each feeding him drinks from their glasses. Also, the younger daughter pouring. Naughty Road did a great job holding onto the artistic themes presented at the Museum.

 

[JonTommy]

I love this gem of a game. I hope development continues for a while, I would love to see where the story goes well into the future. I don't think I've played a game with such likeable and fleshed out characters. Watching Denise slowly seduce her family is incredible, I especially liked the scene

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Shit was hot.

Seriously there's a lot going on here and I can't wait to see more of the story unfold, hopefully dear old dad can move up in the world and finally get a bed big enough for all three of them to share.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

I love this gem of a game. I hope development continues for a while, I would love to see where the story goes well into the future. I don't think I've played a game with such likeable and fleshed out characters. Watching Denise slowly seduce her family is incredible, I especially liked the scene

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Shit was hot.

Seriously there's a lot going on here and I can't wait to see more of the story unfold, hopefully dear old dad can move up in the world and finally get a bed big enough for all three of them to share.

I hope we soon get also in on the tasting part.

 

[JonTommy]

I hope we soon get also in on the tasting part.

Same! Can't wait.