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Joubei

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Voyeurism is the most boring tag to me, if I want to watch people fuck, I just watch a porn video.
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I hope too. Changing your plans because of one random opinion is not a good move imo.
Could not agree more! on both accounts.
but NGL, there were plans for a voyeurism scene, it was dropped.

as for the plans, the screenplay was written and rewritten long before the first render, so no plans are changing,
BUT if people find mistakes that I've missed, I can only be thankful.

Also people are entitled for their opinions, usually it comes from a good place.

Our job as developers / game designers is to decide if it makes sense for this game now or not.
Many times its a question of budget and avoiding feature creep.
 
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harsha_26

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Could not agree more! on both accounts.
but NGL, there were plans for a voyeurism scene, it was dropped.

as for the plans, the screenplay was written and rewritten long before the first render, so no plans are changing,
BUT if people find mistakes that I've missed, I can only be thankful.

Also people are entitled for their opinions, usually it comes from a good place.

Our job as developers / game designers is to decide if it makes sense for this game now or not.
Many times its a question of budget and avoiding feature creep.
Please don't drop your original ideas. You can still show voyeurism with giving option to avoid (like stop it from happening). You can still show betrowed one as the sister in your unofficial incest patch that can be shared everywhere like this forum, except patreon.
 
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Yes this was fixed, she is your betrothed, and you've meet her when she was a child.
it was common practice to join houses by blood, with betrothal, they were 9 when they met, so childhood friends.

Patreon and Steam have "wincest" as a big no no.
Why choose the worse 2 platforms to put your game on when you could have gone to Subscribestar that allows incestand this not being a harem game in a fantasy game is just werid when kings and princes have many wives. Since its 1 Li only i think i will skip this game but wish you the best of luck.
 

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Eh, started out pretty good. Some nice drama with the siege and such. Was pretty interesting. Usually not into medieval fantasy stuff, but wanted to give this a shot still.

But you lost me at the rape scene. I usually don't mind the rape stuff as long as it is avoidable, cause I just avoid it. But forcing rape on the MC was just a big no for me. No matter what state of mind he was in, that should be avoidable regardless. There's other ways to calm someone down (like a quick slap to the face and a firm "LISTEN!" to get them to reality) without resorting to shackling him and proceeding to rape him.

I couldn't continue after that, so no idea where it goes from there. But it was interesting up to that point at least, just not a big fan of forced rape on the MC (or forced sex in general). Just a personal pet peeve of mine is all. I'm sure others don't mind it though.

Either way, best of luck with your project still and thanks. :)

EDIT: The rape stuff was changed in a later update, so now you can choose to avoid it (it doesn't happen) if you want. Just thought I'd add this edit to clarify.
 
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Well, I guess we'll have to see if the dev shows up at f95 and can explain what the "and more" is :KEK: because after reading the dev notes I don't know what to expect from this game.

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Ok...either this dev/team has no idea about Patreon or the Sister is not a LI but to openly say that X character is the sister on patreon is like putting a target on his/their forehead.(dev if the sister is a LI change that description, patreon is not very kind to incest)

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Anyways good luck.
agreed.
Then he just decides to stay in said cabin and waste weeks at the very least rebuilding said house, when he needed to be trying to save his family. Trying to get someone to help him, warn the villagers etc, and he really is way too close to the castle,

Funny that you mention, the first draft was just that,

BUT I got an overwhelming response to let it slide, especially in the complete panic mode he was in,
and the witch a practical experienced woman, and the prince is just a man after all, so fastest way for a reset...
You might wanna increase your test pool then because in my eyes it makes no sense, here is a kid that was awaken from screams, he didn't panic, instead he quickly got dressed into his armour so he could Fight, not run. The enemy was overwhelmingly strong and he has been forced back at every turn, only after not being able to break through the door to gwen, and being spotted by the main demon did he try to save his mom instead. But then you are saved by a witch, apparently she can pass through walls?, teleport maybe, uncertain, mind at 100miles/h but its focused, its not thinking of tits, its thinking of how to survive and save his family and loved ones, and likely thinking that this witch could very well save your family the same way it saved you, she says that he needs to be quiet, that you could be heard fair enough, but she doesn't at all seem that worried about it, instead she is smiling all throughout, and instead of closing his mouth she fills hers?, if she really wanted to shut him up she would have just slapped him.
Because we as the player can choose to not go along with it, the moment we say no then she just continues and rapes him, and he just lets it happen?, while the screams of people are still heard just quieter now and the smell of fire is in the air, the thoughts of his family aren't going nowhere and each second that passes the less opportunity there is to save them, no "please lets try to save them", "How can we use your power to save us", at the very least something along those lines needed to be addressed before he goes away.


Letting rape slide is not cool. Imagine reverse, a female princess is being rescued by a court warlock but then he ties her up with magic and fingers her pussy before sending her to fulfil her destiny. It's super easy to not include this scene - prince says ''no'' she says ''ok'' and you just skip further. I am super tired of male MC's being sluts that any female can touch or fuck and rape whenever they please, let us have a choice. I want to have a nice romance with Guin.
Her family dying and this court mage is more focused on getting laid. than helping anyone.

I'll think about the Jezz situation, how to solve this, and update.
One solution that came to mind was him slapping her real hard after,
But she loves it, and you leaves angry, rather then looking back.

On another unrelated note what if there is a situation, where you are asked to have sex with someone in order to save the kingdom, if you refuse they beg of you to help them, and you eventually do it out of kindness.
Would that also be considered in the same aspect as Jezz encounter?


This is very interesting to me, as you're kind of a lone voice in this, but if you're willing to talk, I bet that there are plenty more who feel the same but keep quiet as its not a popular notion.
He isn't, I agree with him.
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"yourself a young extremely selfish spoiled bratty kid, that has no regards to anyone" - Except that is not who you are showing in the story imo,
the only "rude" thing you have him do is at the start in the bedroom, which can be easily interpreted as him not wanting to be a spoiled brat that needs help to even get dressed (search the current England king for inspiration on this), a Brat would demand at least something from the maid like "bring me my clothes" or "Why isn't my bath water ready"
"Also I've seen really rich people in times of crisis, they would throw their own mother into the firing line to save their own skin.
They have no regards to anyone, and this is the very very low starting point for this game." - Again what you showed is the exact opposite, you showed a character that first and foremost was worried about others (about gwen in the tournament, and everyone during the raid)





PS: The fact that i sat here writing this for the last 30mins, shows that there is quite a bit of potential in it. if it was simply a bad game i wouldn't waste my time.
 
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Hi, thanks for your feedback,
I'd love to understand what you mean by that, can you be more specific?
What in the transition is bad? too fast? too slow? too many shakes? if you can give examples I'd be able to add it to the feedback list and address it,
usually transitions are just a code line, so its understanding what's wrong, on my machine it works fine, dissolves in 0.5s mostly.

as for dialogue, you'll really need to give examples, so I'll understand what you mean.
Throwing - "this is bad" is not helpful, but explaining your meaning is extremely helpful.

Thanks again for any feedback.
In that post I also quoted and referenced this part;
EDIT: yeahhh.....the renders and models may be good but the story is bad, Gwen is supposedly the Sister but they don't speak like siblings rather it looks like his future wife,(first scene we have a creep mc lol)
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The mc wakes up due to noises and screams, he has no idea what is happening and the first thing he says...
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After that, a scene where some demons attack the castle, the mc is saved by the Witch, he is angry and wants answers about what is happening, but the witch ties the mc with magic, forces a BJ and then the mc turn into a cute puppy following her WTF
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The mc is running away from the castle, ohh wait there's an abandoned house near the castle ohhh and there's a bed, time to sleep, it's not like some demons are chasing him :KEK:.....
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The story and scene transition is bad(or maybe rushed) and surely the translation doesn't help.

After playing and although it may sound like an asshole, I doubt that the part in dev notes about more than 100 games and 15 years of experience is true....
Did you see the note at the bottom of the quote here also taking into question said experience?

Which are examples and points I agreed with. I wasn't just "saying it's bad" see the context it was said in.
Would I elaborate even further? Sure.. Some of these examples might be personal preference/taste though;

Dialogue;

The amounts of time beloved and betrothed are used in such a short time span it quickly goes from term of endearment to frustration ( at least for me ) this might have to do with the changes you needed to make for Patreon though, but still..

When you wake your si.. I mean Beloved up; it is established MC isn't excited or moved much be the challenge of the tournament it's business as usual;

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Throughout there is a lot of in my opinion misplaced and repeated emphasis on certain subjects.. often accompanied by a NICE!
or WHAT?! a lot of yelling/inner monologue.

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There is a thing with Visuals were you can get away with SHOW instead of TELL!!

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It doesn't get much better from here.. The praise in amazings and magnificents from one scene to the next.. there's a lot of emphasis...

A lot of this applies to the dialogue throughout, from the introduction of Jezzabell, is she new to the castle/court? why does Gwen, GWEEN, GWEENY know who she is, and the Queen apparently.. but MC has no idea? Barely questions where she comes from..

To the abandoned hut MC finds;


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I mean no offense, there is definitely an interesting story here.. it's just unfortunate the MC seems like an overly excited puppy in a lot of dialogue which is in great contrast to his apparent abilities being the best archer and knife thrower I guess?
I would assume takes a lot of training and discipline. To be as panicked as he was with the Jezzabell scene seems in great contrast to his character portrayed in earlier events.. Guess shock is a thing when it comes to masked men/demons what ever..

Also, the scene with glowing eyes was pretty good, when making your escape gives a bit of feeling of dread and suspense..

Hopefully this gets the point across, you did ask.. I noticed others suggesting an editor as well also a lot of people pointing out scenes like the screaming "SOMEONE WILL PAY FOR THIS!"

In my opinion it would be a lot better with simple fixes in dialogue.. maybe an added render here or there.. for example ( a bit more world building, I noticed castle guards dead or otherwise engaged in defending the castle. no mention or question about any villages nearby.. maybe just a render or two where MC actually tries to kill or throw a knife at one of the invaders) or maybe the emphasis of the queen to run was to great...

The post above me also has great feedback!

And I agree with them as well, I wouldn't have taken the time to make this post if I found it all bad either, there is definitely potential as I hope you noticed I stated in my earlier post too.
 
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AVNPornPerv77

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I can do without incest and a harem but the rape scene(s) needs to go.

Not going to lie, with 5 other potential LI's a harem seems natural :p
 

Midnight Ghost

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Nice renders.
Not sure why there's choices and a quest log when it's basically a kinetic novel that auto completes.
But looking forward to more.
 

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Joubei
is mc planned to have any supernatural powers?? something to set him aside from other supporting npc
i mean hows he gonna beat evil forces??
 

Joubei

Lilith Rising
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Nice renders.
Not sure why there's choices and a quest log when it's basically a kinetic novel that auto completes.
But looking forward to more.
The prologue is short and just to get you used to the mechanics, for instance you fail to save your family.
The next episode is when the actual adventure starts, you'll have quests and such, the map will show up as well.
 
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