Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Godin]

Not bad but still just bare bones. Needs quite a bit of work to measure up to CoC or TiTS.

Like what?

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

I don't know, the lack of asinine bullshit and cringe is better than both of those games.

 

[Deleted member 219719]

Like what?

Just to be sure, I liked it up until now, and I think it could become something great, I'm not here to bash the game.

But the combat is terrible. No different elemental resistances for different characters so it doesn't really matter what spells pick. Only arcane is different but even that's no different than the "tease/lust" skills in other games. Melee is the same as magic, no ups or downs to different roles. Hell, there are no different roles. Enemies (and allies) are uniform and don't target weaknesses, just use a set palette of attacks seemingly randomly, regardless of its effectiveness.

Unique characters are lacking. There are quite a few but each has little content. If you ignore randomly generated characters you can chew through the game's content in an hour or two. Once you exhausted their interactions, you can do nothing interesting with them. Can't even enslave them just for shits and giggles until their content is finished.

There's pregnancy, some characters have a couple of unique lines of dialogues, many don't even mention it.

Randomly generated characters are pretty much one and the same. Meet one and you've met them all. The idea is interesting but really, they're clones of one another with no personalities. Different fetishes, sure, which affect the h-scenes a little, but that's the end of it.

Same can be said about offsprings. Their dialogues are the same and you can read through it in 2 minutes, but you can do nothing with them. "Scold" option will always bring up the same few lines and changes nothing. If they love incest, you have a couple more offspring-unique lines.
Also, they grow up immediately so you can encounter them, and they also leave, all of them, immediately, because reasons. Not too bad at first, but disappointing after the Xth time.

Slavery is also bare bones also. You're told you can't go around enslaving anyone. But that's pretty much the only thing you can do. Go around, get attacked by random NPC, win, slap a collar on them. NPCs are supposed to be guilty or whatever, or willing to become your slave, but you're playing judge, jury and executioner all in one without consequences, and the second option (willing slave) is not in the game yet.
Moreover, every enslaved NPC will become a 'slave-clone' with, again, the very same dialogues, responses and slave-related stats, and that includes that one unique character also, no unique content to anyone, no different dialogues or opportunities based on race, sex or personality.

H-scenes. Once you've seen one, you've seen them all. This dynamic design is interesting, but the text given to you by your choices are always the same, regardless of the NPC, unlike in CoC or TiTS where scenes are tailored to specific races or characters. Very innovative at first, but becomes repetitive very quick.



So again, it's not my objective to diss the game and tell everyone to stay away because of how bad it is. It is not, it's just nowhere near complete. As I said, it's "bare bones", and thanks to the design of the game, that doesn't give a very satisfying game-play just yet.

I don't know, the lack of asinine bullshit and cringe is better than both of those games.

And then again, both those games allow you to keep on meeting with dozens and dozens of unique characters, each offering content, unique scenes tailored to them specifically. Walls of text, man, walls of text everywhere.

Seems like you don't like those games. That's fine, really, but I'm afraid your taste does not determine the quality of those games.

 

[kulbak]

Seems like you don't like those games. That's fine, really, but I'm afraid your taste does not determine the quality of those games.

As well as your taste does not determine the quality of this game.

The lack of "walls of text" is not an issue as i'm not reading. I've played this game over and over, and i still haven't read the intro, 'cause i don't give a damm. I want action, and this game provides it. And most of all, i don't have to save constantly because: one wrong step - and the protagonist will get his ass raped, will make a blowjob without the option to cancel this stuff, or will become some weird monstrosity.
In this game you chose the content you like, and oh boy, there are no futas and traps in my game, where in CoC i had to constantly be aware, is that character with a pussy, or "she" has the surprise i don't want to be there.

Yeah, it has a lack of quests, but they are oblivious and you have a journal that keeps track of them. In CoC, if you do not read, you're screwd. And the only thing i can make myself to read is the last few sentences. That does not help every time.
I don't play lewd games to read, i have books for that. I play lewd games for lewd content, you know. And this game provides the option to not read, but to play the content you want.

I will agree about the lack of unique characters, but hey, this game is in development for 2 years (i suppose), where CoC is a finished product.
You do not compare a finished product with one in development.

The only thing i like in CoC more than in LT is the perk system. That perk system was cool, i was constantly striving to get a new level, to see what other perks i can get. In this game the perks are meh, blank (except the first from the beginning). They have no influence on the gameplay, that is a shame.

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

A game is often built on one's desires, but I never really got that from LT the same way anything Fen touches does. The problem with Fen is that it's all about him, almost everything in his games has stupid shit that only his crowd of people like, and that ends up flooding the game with endless fucking horsecock futas that get really god damn old. LT doesn't have much built for it's NPCs, but the variety is already far more tasteful. Barebones it may be, but it's also not entirely plagued either.

 

[Fuzzcat]

Like what?

I guess he means content.

Yeah, content is kind of simple.
Quests are really straightforward, dialogs don't have that many branchs, NPCS are not as complex.
But content for now it's more liek having something to do, rather than final content.

Far from just "bare bones" tho.
There is actually stuff to do, and the complexity of the system is astounding. You can spend hours playibg just with this "bare bones" sytem and content, finding or playing what you actually like.

Basically it's almost like the opposite of CoC/Tits. With their awful inventory/equipment system (if it can be called a system at all, just a bunch of buttons which you can get lost easily -not to mention having options scattered among other options inside other options-), and a total lack of variety, they depend entirely on text quality. And that's only if you find something you actually like. *shrug*

 

[Fuzzcat]

You know what's funny? You haven't made a single reasonable argument on the contrary to anything I've said. And no, simple denial is not an argument. But hey, if you want to remain an obnoxious moron, you're entitled, and you're entitled to your opinion also. But you're still not entitled to your facts.

Bye Felicia.

Wait, what?

Kulbak made perfect valid points, as well as you.
You're judging the quality by text content. He judges the quality by replay value and customization (as a matter of fact, I actually like LT exactly by the same reasons he gives. I read text fast, and once I did, I have no real interest on reading the same wall-text over and over. I want straight-to-the-point lewdness, and LT offers that.)

There's no need to insult him. He didn't do it once, he was just making his points just as you.
I get the feeling you come from Fenoxo's forum, were things got so vitriolic that everyone thinks it's fine to insult everyone else and treat them like shit to sound like they have the ultimate word of truth, that it's impossible to say a single word without getting bashed by someone that feels entitled to.

Things aside, I think that people instantly compare the games. Mostly because, players are maybe a bit tired of CoC/TiTs and look for something else, but similar.
LT it's different from CoC/Tits.
Yeah, similarities can be pointed. But if you take a step backwards and look at the whole thing, they're way different. They might look similar, but the system is completely different, and the points of interest are different too.
Personally, aside of the similar map, I find LT similar to Free Cities, but with an open world (which I'm glad, since it's the only thing I don't like on FC)

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

LT is basically the only real contender against what Fen as built up, even if I don't think he's actually earned it. It's also quite literally the antithesis of CoC/TiTS. Full control over random pitfalls you have to look out for. Clearly warns of shady shit instead of checking every option like a damn minefield. Complete control over what you become instead of everything being random chance. The characters that are actually written out for more than just a few lines actually feel different from the many sex addicts that litter those games (New Texas is the fucking worst). And, it depends on how you see it, but you can't just straight up die, which is mostly because Inno doesn't feel good about writing actual death or other horrible things that can happen to you.

Inno's own philosophy is also the polar opposite of Fen. Inno is as transparent as a ghost and is always quick to fix any kind of screw up she makes within the game. Fen you're lucky to see him update much of anything after months of waiting, and it's probably not even something you want to see either. And that's if it wasn't just written by someone else because he can't be bothered. She also prefers not to lock you out of content just because you don't conform to some ideal Fen seems to have, and also doesn't trap you in situations you have no way out of, which Fen is also guilty of.

I don't want this wall of text to sound like I'm picking a fight (Fen is the only one I don't respect, anyone else is free to argue as they please), I'm just stating Inno has earned my loyalty for simply just not being a tool. Her mentality of game design is actually of someone who wants people to have fun, not roll in money.

 

[Fuzzcat]

*choke-full of thruth wall-text*

Another thing to mention -speaking aside the games themselves - it's their attitude.

Fen itself doesn't seems like a bad guy, he just saw the money, which it's perfectly fine (tho he doesn't really cares about people/players).
His staff it's a completely different matter. With some exceptions (mostly contributors, or writers that did small things), they're a bunch of assholes. I don't like to insult people, but I can't really find a better word.
You can't ask, comment, give an opinion.
Even if you're saying something good about the game, or something specific you like, they will always find a way to treat you like dirt. Unfortunately, their attitude makes the exceptions slowly become the norm (I've seen some cool guys starting to act like assholes after writing a small text that was accepted)

Inno on the other hand, never insults anyone.
She actually takes the time to reply to obvious trolls (which mostly sound -and we suspect they are- like Fen's Forum trolls) with politeness.
You can ask for the most ridiculous thing, and she at least takes the time to reply. Always approachable, be a free or patreon player.

While just the mention of modding (or asking to mod or contribute or even just take a look at the code if you're curious or want to learn) sets the holy fires of "how you dare" rage on Fen's forum, with the devs as the holy inquisition of coding righteouness, Inno releases everything for free, gives tips and tutorials, and actually supports modding (the idea is to have a set of tutorials to make your own content when the game mechanics are finished).

 

[anubis1970]

For goodness sakes can we all just agree to disagree and drop the whole which game is better and why BS? Or if you really want to continue it make a separate thread for the topic.

 

[bas]

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Let's please get back to discussing the game in this thread and not each other, OK?

 

[lordfridge9]

What's the difference between the different game versions (things like runs faster, less bugs, etc.)?

 

[AerisKiyoshura4]

What's the difference between the different game versions (things like runs faster, less bugs, etc.)?

If you mean between JAR and EXE, you need Java installed before you can play the JAR. Otherwise, they're the exact same.

 

[kulbak]

Kulbak made perfect valid points, as well as you.
You're judging the quality by text content. He judges the quality by replay value and customization (as a matter of fact, I actually like LT exactly by the same reasons he gives. I read text fast, and once I did, I have no real interest on reading the same wall-text over and over. I want straight-to-the-point lewdness, and LT offers that.)

Jeez, thanks. You summarized what i wasn't able to express.
But man, i sure got frustrated with his demigod-like manner of expressing his dislike.

You cannot complain about Infamous Second Son of having a dull open world with dull people rumbling around. 'Cause that's what that game is about. You have your protagonist with his tools/powers, and you mess around with them in that dull world. And Infamous is one hell of a fun.
At this point LT seems something like that. A[n unfinished] dull open world with a protagonist who messes around.

Oh, excuse me, Infamous is crap because it doesn't have a mindblowing Mass Effect plot and more in depths RPG elements. Yeah... sure...

If Innoxia or the moders will manage to fill LT with a bunch of unique characters making it something like The Witcher 3/Gothic worlds, well, i want a second seat on the boat when that happens.

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

Okay, but all the seats have dildos on them. Hope you like anal.

Anyway, the level of control in the game is probably my favorite part of it. One of the silliest things I like to do is basically remake all my waifus, for fun. I mean, who doesn't want to see all their waifus having sex with each other? If it wasn't for the fact slaves made so much money, I'd suggest being able to make porn about them.

 

[Fuzzcat]

Jeez, thanks. You summarized what i wasn't able to express.
But man, i sure got frustrated with his demigod-like manner of expressing his dislike.

Just to finish the previous discussion, I don't think Shoze actually had bad intentions.
It's a manner of discussing very common on Fen's forums talking and acting rudely just because. I just wanted to make it clear for him (or anyone) that it's not a necessary, wanted or cool way of talking.
You had very valid points, and personally, I hate when someone instead of saying "for me" or "in my case" says "you're wrong, I'm right, you're a moron" when it's all a matter of personal tastes.

My apologies to moderators if it sounded like I was starting drama, and to Shoze if it sounded like I was trying to make him look like a fool (I don't think I was offensive in any way, but if it sounded like that, it wasn't my intention)

You cannot complain about Infamous Second Son of having a dull open world with dull people rumbling around. 'Cause that's what that game is about. You have your protagonist with his tools/powers, and you mess around with them in that dull world. And Infamous is one hell of a fun.
At this point LT seems something like that. A[n unfinished] dull open world with a protagonist who messes around.

Oh, excuse me, Infamous is crap because it doesn't have a mindblowing Mass Effect plot and more in depths RPG elements. Yeah... sure...

If Innoxia or the moders will manage to fill LT with a bunch of unique characters making it something like The Witcher 3/Gothic worlds, well, i want a second seat on the boat when that happens.

Damn, now I'm curious about that Infamous Son game, will have to take a look!

Okay, but all the seats have dildos on them. Hope you like anal.

Anyway, the level of control in the game is probably my favorite part of it. One of the silliest things I like to do is basically remake all my waifus, for fun. I mean, who doesn't want to see all their waifus having sex with each other? If it wasn't for the fact slaves made so much money, I'd suggest being able to make porn about them.

Honestly, I'm not sure about how much more in-depth content Innoxia is interested to add.
I think she's more focused on making a good system rather than writing content, and his idea is to let people make the polished stuff. Otherwise she won't be giving away everything for free, and making tutorials.

Right now, the next updates will include non-slaves NPCs joining voluntarily (I guess based off affection), and Npc on Npc sex system (which it's getting built).
That would make interactions bewteen the player and NPCs (and NPCs!) a whole lot more interesting, considering the amount of combinations with races, genders, sexual preferences and fetishes.

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

I mostly want it for some old fashioned DP, which I could never partake in myself.

 

[Fuzzcat]

I mostly want it for some old fashioned DP, which I could never partake in myself.

You can get dped currently, or dp one of your slaves (along another slave).

The npc-on-npc system in development, it's also meant to have a waifu dped by other two waifus, and to have group sex (with or without you involved), that's why it's taking so much time!

 

[kulbak]

Okay, but all the seats have dildos on them. Hope you like anal.

Anyway, the level of control in the game is probably my favorite part of it. One of the silliest things I like to do is basically remake all my waifus, for fun. I mean, who doesn't want to see all their waifus having sex with each other? If it wasn't for the fact slaves made so much money, I'd suggest being able to make porn about them.

Guess i'd prefer the standing.

And btw, about the control. In the previous builds to prevent any anal play with my protagonist's ass, i jinxed the underwear onto him, so the NPCs ended up powerless. lol.
Even when you submit to Rose, she can't do nothing.

Sadly, the wolf vendor ignores the jinxed underwear and rapes him nonetheless.

I don't know who suggested to Innoxia to include the option to enable/disable the majority of anal content, but gods bless that human. Options, options almost everywhere.

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

Anal with men. But...das gay.

I don't have to worry about surprise buttsex to that level, since my character is female. It's funny how much I avoid anal if I'm playing a male character, but females basically get nailed by everyone.