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A lot of the initial world building was great, but then completely ignored or not acknowledged. Like the fact that everyone is supposed to be super biased against humans.
It actually says that most humans choose to stop being human because of it in some of the early writing. But nothing was done beyond that to even acknowledge any of this.
I really love the idea of it all. And the best part, this is all stuff that can be shown, and not always directly told in a narrative game. So it's super fun.
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I just thought of a fun scenario for a world like this. Imagine a party where everyone invited is given the name of random person who's going to be attending. And then everyone shows up not as themselves, but as the name they were given. And then your goal is to figure out who everyone is actually is, while trying not to give away who you are. That's absolutely something my friends and I would do, and it would be fun as hell lol
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I've gotta stop editing more stuff in now...tehlemon said:Absolutely true. The world I'm working with is weird. In some ways, absolutely bordering on a utopia. In others, its completely fucked by essentially an ongoing disaster that I won't get into. Involves a super liberal (in terms of scope) magic system that's used constantly, but with some added catches and weirdness for fun and gameplay, but that's not really relevant beyond saying "magic!" as an explanation for the question of how.While I get the sentiment of what your saying, in the spirit of philosophical conversation, I think your argument only works if your world is a Utopia. It falls apart completely once you realize that just because people can change, doesn't mean they want to change. Thus the only thing that really holds water is the fact that trans will no longer be a thing (assuming that changing one's gender is a cheap/easy/free process).
And yeah, outside specific communities were changing ones appearance has been super normalized, not everyone will want to change. Less will change drastically. But pretty much everyone will use that magic on some level, even if it's just super cosmetic stuff. No need to dye your hair. Acne could become a non-issue. Tattoos become an interesting; they're no longer permanent, and they're easy to apply. But you'll still probably need and artist if you want to get a really cool, intricate design. Because lets be honest, most designs people come up with themselves suck or don't look good lol
Going to a fancy dinner and want to style your hair in a certain way? Maybe you'll change it so it's not as curly to make it easier. You can always change it back when you're done. Maybe someone will change their eye color to match their outfit. Make up becomes a weird concept, and I frankly don't know what to do with it. Would nail polish still be a thing? Or lipstick?
Probably. But in some circles, probably not.
Yeah, I'm going to be honest, I kinda over simplified my thoughts a lot because my post was already like, a page long lolHowever sexual orientations will definitely still exist. I mean, think about it. Even if everyone could change whatever they want about their appearance/biology they may still be attracted to a specific type of biology. That person will basically just always seek out individuals who have that biology they are attracted to. And like I said before just because you can change to whatever you want doesn't mean you want to. For example, if someone in your world is attracted to the male sex, but the person they find attractive has female parts and prefers those parts, why would they want to change for that other person?
This is stuff you can dig deeper and deeper into forever. And so now I'm going to write like, a fucking novel on just this snip-it, realize how much I've written, and then half answering the rest!
For the setting I'm working on (simplifying *a lot* here, because we're not including narrative which is important to this topic), changing one's appearance and gender is basically a non-issue. It takes a little planning and prep, but not enough to be overly inconvenient. Like, think on the level of getting a condom. You'll have to have thought about it ahead of time, but it's not at all hard to do. And like, people have them around because sex is fun, and because people would absolutely take advantage of this type of thing, people would absolutely prepare for it the same way people already prepare for sex.
And lets be honest, with a power like that, as common as that, people are going to be using it for fun. And they'll likely be using it a lot. Which kinda bleeds into the second part of what you were saying.
The whole "people seek out individuals that have the biology they are attracted to" thing is true. It would still be true. And it'd almost have more personal context built into it. If you're into something specific, and you find someone who's *chosen* to be that specific thing, odds are you've got some shared tastes. I'll loop back around to this. But like, in real life not everyone gets into a relationship that perfectly matches their exact "type." Having a type doesn't mean you won't look outside that type. Because, just like in the real world, a personal connection can be more important. Doubly so when factoring in the next part...
Now if two people hit it off, they can choose to be each other's type. Maybe it's only sometimes, maybe its all the times, maybe what you want during sex is not the same as what you want day to day. Hell, even moment to moment. And to what extent this all goes can vary things heavily. Maybe you're having a shit day, and you like turning yourself into a cat and take a nap in the sun. Fuck it, why not. It doesn't have to all be sex. And I'm working with a really liberal magic system here, that's perfectly within possibility.
And all of this factors into every part of normal life. That's both awesome and kind of horrible. Like, you're absolutely going to see people in a relationship changing themselves to be what their partner wants. Because like, that's totally a real thing that already happens, you can just take it way further in this fictional world. But it'll also definitely cause problems too. Because not everyone is going to want to do that. What happens if two people hit it off, and one of the partners wants the other to change to be more like what they want, but what they want doesn't line up.
But to answer the question, people already work to be the person their partner wants them to be. Why would it be any different if we could be more flexible with it. And the people who wouldn't want to change just wouldn't be with people who would want them to. And some people will find compromises. A lot of this stuff becomes more of a scale rather than a binary decision.
And then even beyond that, moment to moment stuff, some people would *absolutely* be using this for temporary changes while fooling around. If you told me most couples wouldn't want to experiment a bit for fun, I'd call you a liar. People would absolutely be doing things like swapping bodies for a bit of fun. Or even outside of a relationship, what's to stop two friends who don't have the normal hangups from taking turns turning into the other person's dream crush. Absolutely nothing, as long as the people in question are the type to be cool with fooling around like that.
Okay, absolutely true. What I should have said instead of racism wouldn't exist, is racism *as we have it now* likely wouldn't exist. Within the setting, there would absolutely be communities and groups that have very specific requirements. And there would absolutely be people who'll be judgemental based on what a person wants to be. But also like, not everyone is going to know everyone.Racism will also still exist, because basically as long as something is different it can be demeaned. "Prey-only", "Blue Fur only", "Predators not allowed", etc. Sound familiar? Yes you can change to a prey animal type or transform your fur to blue, but do you want to? And even if we assume their are systems in place to prevent business/etc from doing that, you'll still have private entities and individual biases. "I don't like felines.", "If you enter my home you must be a flamingo." etc.
The thing is, even if we all looked the exact same, other things would change to discriminate. "Oh your from that part of town."
Even identity politics would still be a thing. "I'm a feline so I do this...", "I'm a dragon so I act this way...". "I prefer being an eagle because it allows me to be myself..." etc.
Again, I'm working with really loose rules here. If there was a part of town that was super biased towards a certain form, basically everyone would be able to adopt that form if they needed to enter that part of town. If no one knows you, and you fit into whatever they think the ideal is, you'll still be treated as an outside or stranger, but they can't use that ideal against you. But at the same time, being an outsider, would they believe that you are what you appear to be? Or would they know that you took that form to fit in, just like I suggested. And then we're in a "I know you know that I know that you know that I know" type of nonsense situation. So it'll mostly just be in-groups of people who know each other, and everyone else. Like gang control neighborhoods, where what you look like doesn't matter, whether you're in the gang is what matters. Then maybe instead of disguising yourself as the ideal, maybe you'll try and find what will get you noticed the least. Don't want to be someone who appears to be worth challenging, but also not someone they're attracted to, or someone they'd hate. Gets fucky fast, and I love fucky.
Personal preferences will also definitely exist. You don't have to like felines, but if you're a massive asshole about it, you better be in a community that agrees with you. Those would obviously pop up, and there'd probably be conflict between them and other communities. But if you're just that one dick who hates felines, you better be someone important, or you're just going to be that one massive asshole that no one likes lol
And I've definitely written in a couple groups that are super prejudice based on 'what you were born as.' This is fun because of how incredibly messy that type of belief gets when proving your linage is pretty much impossible.
Funnily, this is the only part LT actually touches on, but only briefly and without going anywhere with it. They make a specific note that humans are looked down on, and that most humans quickly find a way to stop being human.
Shit, I actually like that. That's a good point. There's actually a lot of ways you could take that which would make for some great world building.Unironically people may be even more likely to adhere to identity politics in your world in an effort to be unique, since the norm would be changing at a whim.
Most people are cool with changing to be whatever they'd like to be.Again your situation will only work in a perfect world where everyone doesn't mind changing to be whatever they want.
There would definitely be some who are not. And they'd like be insufferable because of it lol
Back to that linage thing. There's definitely going to be people who think they're better than other because they haven't changed themselves. A lot of stories/games/ext have already gone down this path, but it gets pretty fucked up quick. That puts you in Dues Ex territory quick.
That's because LT's writing, is disjointed and not thought out at all.Actually, that reminds me of something that really bothers me about the setting. I apologize if someone already brought this up, but in Lilith's realm, humans are discriminated against for some reason (ludonarrative dissonance occurs when human Enforcers show up, but that's a whole other tangent), but you can just enchant your boxed lunch and become another race entirely, down to the genetic level. So why haven't all the humans just done that, instead of (supposedly) suffering terrible discrimination at the hands of Lilith's racist regime?
A lot of the initial world building was great, but then completely ignored or not acknowledged. Like the fact that everyone is supposed to be super biased against humans.
It actually says that most humans choose to stop being human because of it in some of the early writing. But nothing was done beyond that to even acknowledge any of this.
Yeah, in communities and places where changing your form is normalized, it probably would be more like clothing than anything else. And I absolutely imagine places like that where the forms people take follow fads and fashion. Hell, you'd probably see form combined with fashion in a lot of ways. It'd be interesting.I think that in a world like that, it would be treated like clothing, with subcultures built up around a particular combination of features.
I really love the idea of it all. And the best part, this is all stuff that can be shown, and not always directly told in a narrative game. So it's super fun.
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I just thought of a fun scenario for a world like this. Imagine a party where everyone invited is given the name of random person who's going to be attending. And then everyone shows up not as themselves, but as the name they were given. And then your goal is to figure out who everyone is actually is, while trying not to give away who you are. That's absolutely something my friends and I would do, and it would be fun as hell lol
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