Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]
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Clearly the best way is to add another quest line that requires you to repeat the same action 20 times to reach the conclusion, but you're only able to perform that action once every week at specific and arbitrary times, preferably that overlap with another quest's specific and arbitrary times.
wait... no.
- Feb 2, 2021
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Dude Innoxia can't even consistently update the game, and you're asking for an entire style change? Be realistic here my guy.
They're right though. The game is super linear and lacks any actual gameplay loop. It should go down the DoL route by being a battle to get through the story against the corruption and lewdification of your character, balanced around rng elements so you will inevitably lose. It needs more bad ends and more unexpected sandbox content. Zones, especially Dominion, need redesigning around forcing you to travel through danger spots instead of all the safe streets. Randomly generated enemies need to have things like bondage giver fetish and physically put you in items. Enslavement has been waited on forever. And a focus on the player entering a cascading degradation of moral values should occur. Use Trap Quest and DoL for inspiration but really lean in on the randomly generated characters doing a lot more stuff. Apply tattoos. Put the player in items that are cursed that have negative effects. Apply effects that make the player unable to NOT submit to an opponent. Etc etc etc. On top of this make sure to actually create a gameplay loop event (rising rent costs? toll roads/gates that rise over time?) to force the player into requiring larger and larger sums of money just to barely survive, this will actually give the player something to struggle against in the world and make how they end up spending their time a meaningful choice instead of literally just going to your bed and spamming "skip to sunset/skip to sunrise" for several days to skip to an event you want to do.
There's an absolute mountain of stuff that could be explored if the game had a proper gameplay loop to balance around and a vision of what a gameplay loop actually is.
Right now it's a linear visual novel without any visuals. Build it into a struggle against transformation, corruption and moral degradation with proper timelimits as a driving force for the player to use their time wisely and push forwards. Right now it's trying to be way too many things and the answer given is "just RP it" and this mindset results in it failing to be anything but mediocre at a lot of things.
The foundation is fantastic, the fundamental understanding of what a game actually is happens to be what's missing.
- Jun 19, 2018
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No, thanks. You have the option to have forced TF and such already. As long as you have the ability to choose this or choose against it, it's fine, but I don't want this game to become those other games.
Well it'll stay criticised as junk forever then, because it's not a game in its current state.
- Aug 7, 2021
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If you want a collar so bad, go to Amber and lick her feet until she likes you enough to make you her pet.
This game isn't trying to be like DoL or Trap Quest and it shouldn't. It's trying to emulate Corruption of Champions as that was the main inspiration for it. It just has a somewhat better sex system rather than the always written the same way sex in Corruption of Champions and games like it. The game is about how you handle the world around you and it should remain as such as far as a narrative and mechanical purpose goes. It offers a power fantasy to go with the submissive fantasy, but leaves the choice to the player and it does that part well enough.
Making this game insufferable by making it nigh impossible to succeed is not the answer, though. That's not the kind of game it's trying to be nor should it ever strive to be. That kind of game design is on par with level scaling and really only works on games that are built around stamina runs. This game is trying to be an RPG and it's supposed to show how strong you've gotten as you played along. Inno just can't develop a proper system to convey that.
One of the problems with the game is that Inno doesn't put in the effort to match the amount of time it took to update. They also waste characters like Leotie as a tacked on antagonist and there's no reason you can't visit them in Nyan's apartment... since that seems to be where she stays and is on vacation. You don't get to have any alone time with Leotie to get to know her better. Locking her behind a scheduled time is dumb and Inno should know that. After all, you can fuck the Harpy matriarch whenever you like, but to take her on dates is a weekly thing and makes sense. Dates are supposed to be special. However, you can't fuck Nyan or Leotie whenever you want, you have to wait weekly for it. It's a step back and Inno should know better.
The main problem is that Inno hasn't worked on the main story in forever - just now finally releasing some more of it and it's such a tiny bit - and tries to appease people by adding fluff and changes to mechanics that don't really need it, what fluff is added is fairly shallow because they're rushing it out to show something. They need to focus on the main story and get that written down and done so they don't have to worry about it later. They need to scale back the extras until they're at a comfortable pace. They also need to hire coders to look over their work or code in systems the patrons vote for or Inno wants. This includes all the breeds to various morphs.
Shame you can't rely on writer submissions since that one loser made the Mary Sue character and the drama from that. Spoiled the entire thing for everyone, but Inno can take on coders to work on the mechanics they want in the game. That's easy for them and something they should be doing while they focus on the story.
- Jun 19, 2018
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Your description of the game as a text only VN is accurate, except that it appears that it's attempting to let the player have the experience that they want. Up to and including forced TF's, Non-consensual, enforced corruption gain, and victimization, but also permitting players to avoid those, as well as seeking or avoiding furries, gape, body hair, gender preferences, and several other fetishes and turn-offs.
If that flexibility makes it trash, then we have different goals in playing this porn game: I want to 'Mary Sue' and 'My Guy' throughout the game, and let the other players not do so if they so choose. I don't want anything forced on me in my sexual fantasy, but am happy for others to have that option. I choose to identify with the protagonist rather than feel like an observer of their 'adventures.' I'm not against the game permitting a play style that doesn't turn me on, or that I don't enjoy, as long as play options that I do enjoy still exist.
tl;dr You do you, and leave me alone to do my thing.
I mean... on one hand I agree with the, but im still in the "Its better to take what you can from this and star over" camp than the "work with this messy broken thing as best as you can" camp. A style change could work given this game gets a fresh do over like Strive 4 Power. Now im not gonna sit and say some outlandish things like ThisSiteisFullOfFascist (goes to show the bias there huh?), but i feel something's gotta change and trying to chug along with a game with more W.I.P.s than a BDSM dungeon.
It kinda just sounds like you want another non-con focused game like DoL to which I say... DoL already exists. If Innoxia wanted to make a pure rape game where all you do is struggle every 2 steps you take she would have drew inspiration for games like that instead of CoC and TiTs.
Out of curiosity, do the jobs that NPC guests take ever change anything towards them? Or is it purely cosmetic/aesthetical? Do NPCs do anything when they are out on a job? Is it possible to find them when they are out on a job like with NPC slaves?
While I disagree with a lot of what you wrote, Inno is definitely not appreciating what her claimed vision of this game is going to require in order to be ... well, a game.
LT is supposed to be an RPG. What it needs - far more than a chase for cash or ramping up the challenge level - is meaningful player choice. The meaningful choice that's been set up so far is between choosing to liberate or conquer. Then Inno decided to work on other stuff for a couple years, so that's gone nowhere so far.
The way you play the game needs to be reflected in the story that emerges from the game. The "descent into depravity" arc is one I've used myself, but it should be just one possible way to approach the game.
AFAIK, the only thing that a guest getting a job changes is that they start paying their own way.
Different jobs come with different background job perks (like student or soldier for your character), and some have implemented stat changes.
- Oct 15, 2020
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You're proposing an entirely different design philosophy than is intended. LT is all about empowerment, but you want it to be a hardcore survival-type thing. If you want to play DoL, go play DoL. LT is for the those who want to dominate the game world, not be subject to it.
- Sep 7, 2018
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don't expect any major shifts in tone or style. it is what it is at this point. don't like it. there's the door.
I do think that the game could have more 'victimization' elements, like the Bondage perk on NPCS, or actual forced TF/Fetish Stuff beyond the 'Ah ha ha, I have defeated you, now, choose to willingly drink my potion of three to five themed TF's and maybe a fetish.' While I agree that LT is not a game where you have to fight for survival, I think the availability of easy customization items should come with the caveat that enemies and NPC's should be able to pull more extreme defeat consequences. As it is, for an enemy to fully TF you into their perfect waifu means you have to deliberately lose three or four times, which is honestly hard to do unless you're playing at the highest difficulty. Alternatively, put stronger penalties on losing to 'boss' NPC's. one of the better ones, for me at least, is when you lose to the Blue Tower Incubus and he throws like, three sealed items on you after winning to try to force you to love getting knocked up. You can immediately pay essence to remove them, but the idea is there. More shit like that gives flavor to the NPC's and a real chance of being mildly inconvenienced by having to either reload a save or working to fix yourself after a loss.