Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Simp Cattu]

So in her previous update Inno said July 1st at the earliest, and now she says Friday at the latest; I'm going to split the difference and say 4.4.5 will come out the last week of August, and 4.5 sometime in November.

That's mighty optimistic of you to assume we'll get 4.5 update this year.
Or the year after.
Or this decade.

She's always getting sidetracked onto non-essential niche content at the expense of forward progress of the main story.

If only the side contents that she kept slipping into were actually decent...
Many of the flavor contents she made were shaky and poorly-written, I believe she kept doing that so she wouldn't have to work on the main story - which takes a lot of thinking and coding. Just pump out some useless stuff that nobody cares about, you still get the feeling of accomplishment and keep the game alive on SubscribeStar without having to do anything meaningful.

 

[Sharo]

So in her previous update Inno said July 1st at the earliest, and now she says Friday at the latest; I'm going to split the difference and say 4.4.5 will come out the last week of August, and 4.5 sometime in November.

Wow that would mean 2 updates in 2 months (ish), if I remember correctly the last gap between updates was 3 months (and that doesn't include the tendency for the gap to fluctuate usually in the direction of increasing). So grab some food and water and prepare for the long haul

 

[tehlemon]

That's mighty optimistic of you to assume we'll get 4.5 update this year.
Or the year after.
Or this decade.

Oh come on now, that's just not untrue.

The 4.0 update should have shown you that she can release any version number she wants. She'll just take all the content out of it and update the version number.

We'll absolutely get more version increases in the future.

 

[Dr.Feelgood]

Oh come on now, that's just not untrue.

The 4.0 update should have shown you that she can release any version number she wants. She'll just take all the content out of it and update the version number.

We'll absolutely get more version increases in the future.

This is exactly what I was saying when 4.0 dropped... was it last year or a week or two after December? I wonder what's going to happen first: will the modding community that has surfaced around Inno finally move on and start their own project since they are damn near carrying this whole thing already or will they just leave and let the game die off. Ain't no way in hell this thing is going to get completed when the main story progresses at a rate of about one town/subcity every other year.

 

[Yuuuuuri]

okay basically this "game" is discord ERP

 

[Knightttt]

4.5 update needs to be big ;_;

 

[chopee]

Hi, how can I avoid or reduce lust damage? Im trying to fight Jhortrax and his succubus but I cant win because he deals a lot of lust damage

 

[CaptainBipto]

Hi, how can I avoid or reduce lust damage? Im trying to fight Jhortrax and his succubus but I cant win because he deals a lot of lust damage

You can enchant your clothing with Lust resistance. Be careful that you don't overload your enchant capacity, if you have it enabled.
You can take perks in the Lust Tree that adds lust resistance.
There are certain potions that drop or are sold by Ralph (Slime quencher is one), that you can enchant with Lust Resistance.

I can't think of anything else that directly resists Lust, enchanting the potions are probably going to be your best option though. Drink a potion right before you start combat and you should be good to go.

 

[MangaKing]

I just don't understand why she keeps tossing out deadlines at this point, literally only give a percentage marker or something to show give an idea on how long it might take since she is so terrible at hard deadlines
Or she could just give a deadline months away so there's no excuse, when she misses it or if she finishes early, she can relax or release it early

Honestly, the most egregious thing is that at this point, is that she should have some understanding of how long it should reasonably take her to do an update, so I don't understand why she keeps giving out these deadlines that everyone knows she won't be able to do

 

[DR3M3R]

I really loved the game's early half but the lack of protagonist dialogue in later parts of the game annoys me immensely. One of the reasons I loved Lilith's throne was that despite being an ero-RPG with a customizable player character, that main character had a personality. They spoke, they questioned, they reacted to situations and was not just a soulless shell for you to "drive" like a vehicle. Most games that gives you character customization/creation and I'm not talking just about ero games, lacks this aspect. When you think about it, its not really "character" customization/creation. It's "appearance" customization. A character is not just how she or he looks, there's much MUCH more to a character and I think the early parts of Lilith's Throne nailed that aspect. The utter confusion you would feel when you're just thrown into this magical world was perfectly portrayed by the early main character dialogues. Now i'm in the Elis area after doing all of the story quests in dominion and I haven't seen a single main character dialogue for a quite a while. If I'm not wrong, I think the last time I saw the Mc speak was during the confrontation with Lyssieth. After that its been a whole lot of "You asked (insert question)" , "You said (whatever)" and just second person narration of whatever is that you do instead of actual dialogue. It almost seems like the author/writer is purposefully trying to avoid main character dialogues for some reason. Well, if it is intentional then I have some idea of what that reason could be. The same thing that has plagued video games for the past decade or so : "Immersion"

A good chunk of mainstreams games has this problem. Somehow instead of having a character with a personality, a voice, emotions who naturally connects to the story as the player character; having a mute, soulless shell of a "character" for you to put yourself in is more "immersive", according to some people. If the people behind Lilith's Throne are of that same mentality then I can't say anything other than that I'm incredibly disappointed.

 

[paparebbe]

I do like the in-depth (as far as sex-oriented games go) sex mechanics but it lacks the gore aspect for me. You can stretch orfice, but you can't tear it. It would be nice to have something like that in here. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but oh well. Playing as a male character and trying to keep the femdom atmosphere would be nice to have some nasty aftereffects of large dildos after pegging

 

[EmDotRand]

Hi, how can I avoid or reduce lust damage? Im trying to fight Jhortrax and his succubus but I cant win because he deals a lot of lust damage

Defense is a futile effort. Most strategies involve one-shotting everyone via exploiting the game's broken systems, including but not limited to:

• Consume a racial TF potion such as panther, dragon, aligator, or any other race with a high physic. Steal some knuckle dusters of a thug. Punch everything.
• Obtain the level drain perk and make non-protected NPC's orgasm. Use the perk points to max out Physical tree. Punch everything.
• Above, but with zweihandler.
• Make a horse TF potion with a single horn and a pair of wings. Learn and upgrade the icicle spell. Skewer everything.
• Obtain a fire elemental spellbook and about 15 fire scrolls (plenty of ways to make enough money). Upgrade the summoning spell up to binding. Remember per assign your stand's elemental's perk points and reap the benefits.
• Enchant a clothing item to max your Physique and Critical stats at the cost of all your health and mana. You already made it pass the imps, so it won't matter..

 

[IvoryOwl]

I really loved the game's early half but the lack of protagonist dialogue in later parts of the game annoys me immensely. One of the reasons I loved Lilith's throne was that despite being an ero-RPG with a customizable player character, that main character had a personality. They spoke, they questioned, they reacted to situations and was not just a soulless shell for you to "drive" like a vehicle. Most games that gives you character customization/creation and I'm not talking just about ero games, lacks this aspect. When you think about it, its not really "character" customization/creation. It's "appearance" customization. A character is not just how she or he looks, there's much MUCH more to a character and I think the early parts of Lilith's Throne nailed that aspect. The utter confusion you would feel when you're just thrown into this magical world was perfectly portrayed by the early main character dialogues. Now i'm in the Elis area after doing all of the story quests in dominion and I haven't seen a single main character dialogue for a quite a while. If I'm not wrong, I think the last time I saw the Mc speak was during the confrontation with Lyssieth. After that its been a whole lot of "You asked (insert question)" , "You said (whatever)" and just second person narration of whatever is that you do instead of actual dialogue. It almost seems like the author/writer is purposefully trying to avoid main character dialogues for some reason. Well, if it is intentional then I have some idea of what that reason could be. The same thing that has plagued video games for the past decade or so : "Immersion"

A good chunk of mainstreams games has this problem. Somehow instead of having a character with a personality, a voice, emotions who naturally connects to the story as the player character; having a mute, soulless shell of a "character" for you to put yourself in is more "immersive", according to some people. If the people behind Lilith's Throne are of that same mentality then I can't say anything other than that I'm incredibly disappointed.

This was going to happen sooner or later. Lilith's Throne is being advertised and designed as a highly-customizable game that allows you to toggle and tweak everything and anything that makes up its content; fetishes, appearance, gender, frequency, etc. And some of these have sub-categories of their own, for finer control over your experience. The more power and agency you give the player, the less you will have as the developer and storyteller.

The game is fragmented into tiny pieces and that comes with a cost. Either you have an open-ended game that expects the player to do all the legwork themselves, or you create and flesh out an experience for them. It will be extremely hard to deliver a finely crafted balance of both. In a sense, the former is easier because all you have to do is give the player a canvas for them to paint on on, with minimal work for yourself. However, those who wish to paint inside the lines of grandiose designs are going to be disappointed. This game is a canvas, not a coloring book.

Of course, this can also be attributed to the developer's waning interest in the game, lack of motivation, or all of these things together...

 

[gokudark]

Oh my... this new content for becoming random NPC bitch sucks... . I just started it and found two bugs without even trying...
I had 0 money and could offer money on that event when your alpha gives you option to pay, whore out yourself for him or mug some NPC. Same event, when you are male with no vagina you can get pregnant when you select to whore out because in that encounter (when "present vagina" is available) your character is getting some kind of abstract pussy or something...?
I wish that new content would be more polished... but after reading some of recent posts it is probably impossible.

Anyway apart from the event above, there are events with "walkies" and just getting fucked by your alpha. Is there more of those? At least I couldn't get anything new after like 20 tries. Not so impressive to say the least. Could have add this slave game mechanic, like with those rats in submission but instead of rats it would be this alpha as a master. Some game over would be nice, at least then it would feel as finished feature but well...

 

[BBGunna]

Most people would be perfectly happy with a curt "when it's ready". At least more happy than they are with continually broken promises.

I just don't understand why she keeps tossing out deadlines at this point, literally only give a percentage marker or something to show give an idea on how long it might take since she is so terrible at hard deadlines
Or she could just give a deadline months away so there's no excuse, when she misses it or if she finishes early, she can relax or release it early

Honestly, the most egregious thing is that at this point, is that she should have some understanding of how long it should reasonably take her to do an update, so I don't understand why she keeps giving out these deadlines that everyone knows she won't be able to do

Simple, money. I know many of us still try and give Inno the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty simple. Sure giving long more realistic deadlines or adopting a simple,"it'll be ready when it's ready" approach would be much more morally honest. However what that kind of approach tends to do is seriously make subscribers and patrons evaluate if that monthly cost is worth it. If you know not to expect any new content for months then it makes seems to stop paying until you get closer to that deadline, especially if you don't expect any meaningful progress updates in between. However making it seem like the next big update is "just around the corner" makes it easier to justify staying subbed. The constant excuses, apolagzing, is all crafted sympathy begging to give the illusion of a sturggling artist who just needs more time and focus, and not someone just interested in keeping the gravy train afloat. Now of course any rational person would have long realized that Inno's taking the piss when it comes to deadlines but one look into the discord will tell you that Inno stans are far from rational. Inno's actions have long stopped being the actions of a simple ammeter dev way in over their head as we see so often on site and have now passed into the relam of lazy/greedy creator milking suckers for an easy payday. A shame because I still think LT has a lot of potential and despite some truly horrendous writing lately(seriously wtf has been the last few npc quests?wattpad writers could do better) I'm still invested in seeing this world grow and story pay out, I just have no faith that will happen with Inno at the helm. But hey hundreds of people are apparently happy tossing money away each month to enable someone's dream for working less than 30 days a year so what the hell do I know.

TLDR' Inno is an average game developer but she is a BRILLIANT BUSINESSWOMAN

 

[Skooky]

I'm calling it, whenever the update comes in about another six months it's gonna be yet another "Wow! It's fucking nothing!" release.
I like the game, but god damn the development cycle is absolutey horrid.

I get that writing plot is hard, but Inno's game income is good enough for her to hire a ghost writer. There's no shame in it, actual publishing companies do it all the time.

 

[Sharo]

I'm calling it, whenever the update comes in about another six months it's gonna be yet another "Wow! It's fucking nothing!" release.
I like the game, but god damn the development cycle is absolutey horrid.

I get that writing plot is hard, but Inno's game income is good enough for her to hire a ghost writer. There's no shame in it, actual publishing companies do it all the time.

There are many ways she can get someone to help - a ghostwriter, a junior dev straight out of college, paying the people that make mods in her community on a per release per contribution basis, options a plenty. But she either is greedy and wants the whole cake to her self or my personal belief - she is burned out/depressed to shit or both and is like a horse with blinds following the ruts in the road.

 

[DR3M3R]

This was going to happen sooner or later...

This is unfortunate because LT had one of the best early story content I've ever seen in a customizable text-based game. Before stumbling upon LT I avoided these character creation/customization games like it was the plague. I used to specifically add the "character creation" tag to the excluded list every time I was searching for a game here in F95, because from what I've experienced with games like C.O.C and C.O.C 2 I had little to no expectations for these types of games to have an engaging story. Then I got into LT and I was pretty surprised by the writing and the inclusion of an MC that was interwoven into the story making the story many times more engaging compared to having a mute protagonist or the stereotypical "special rando with the power to the save the world" schtick. But then that very thing that was special about LT was changed.

The game is fragmented into tiny pieces and that comes with a cost. Either you have an open-ended game that expects the player to do all the legwork themselves, or you create and flesh out an experience for them. It will be extremely hard to deliver a finely crafted balance of both. In a sense, the former is easier because all you have to do is give the player a canvas for them to paint on on, with minimal work for yourself. However, those who wish to paint inside the lines of grandiose designs are going to be disappointed. This game is a canvas, not a coloring book.

In the early parts of the game the Dev or the story writer(s) was doing a fantastic job of balancing the customizable aspect while still being grounded in an overarching story. The MC was not just a rando that just appeared out of nowhere. The story was written in a way that made the MC a part of the core story itself. So unlike dragonbron from Skyrim being a stereotypical "rando with a special power to save everyone", MC of LT is connected to the story through their aunt Lilaya and even Lilith herself. And that emotional connection was what made them special, not their special power. Because of this having actual dialogue between the MC and other characters became essential and the writer was balancing all that so very perfectly at first. But then they slowly made the MC a mute shell instead of an actual character. Now only NPCs have emotions, personalities, and reactions. The MC's interactions with the world and its characters has been reduced to second-person narrations. I think It's unacceptable to remove such an essential part of the story in a texed-based game while earning more than 6k a month.

Of course, this can also be attributed to the developer's waning interest in the game, lack of motivation, or all of these things together...

Well, with their income it'd be quite easy for them to hire more writers while they themselves focus on the coding side of the game. Heck, if they're that uninterested they could probably hire someone to do the coding too. If neither options are possible then idk. Abandon the game maybe? Because right now LT is like a toxic relationship that neither party is ready to let go of despite knowing that it's progressively getting worse by the day.

 

[IvoryOwl]

This is unfortunate because LT had one of the best early story content I've ever seen in a customizable text-based game. Before stumbling upon LT I avoided these character creation/customization games like it was the plague. I used to specifically add the "character creation" tag to the excluded list every time I was searching for a game here in F95, because from what I've experienced with games like C.O.C and C.O.C 2 I had little to no expectations for these types of games to have an engaging story. Then I got into LT and I was pretty surprised by the writing and the inclusion of an MC that was interwoven into the story making the story many times more engaging compared to having a mute protagonist or the stereotypical "special rando with the power to the save the world" schtick. But then that very thing that was special about LT was changed.








In the early parts of the game the Dev or the story writer(s) was doing a fantastic job of balancing the customizable aspect while still being grounded in an overarching story. The MC was not just a rando that just appeared out of nowhere. The story was written in a way that made the MC a part of the core story itself. So unlike dragonbron from Skyrim being a stereotypical "rando with a special power to save everyone", MC of LT is connected to the story through their aunt Lilaya and even Lilith herself. And that emotional connection was what made them special, not their special power. Because of this having actual dialogue between the MC and other characters became essential and the writer was balancing all that so very perfectly at first. But then they slowly made the MC a mute shell instead of an actual character. Now only NPCs have emotions, personalities, and reactions. The MC's interactions with the world and its characters has been reduced to second-person narrations. I think It's unacceptable to remove such an essential part of the story in a texed-based game while earning more than 6k a month.




Well, with their income it'd be quite easy for them to hire more writers while they themselves focus on the coding side of the game. Heck, if they're that uninterested they could probably hire someone to do the coding too. If neither options are possible then idk. Abandon the game maybe? Because right now LT is like a toxic relationship that neither party is ready to let go of despite knowing that it's progressively getting worse by the day.

From what I've seen, development goes through different, long-lasting phases.

Inno prefers to finish off areas before moving on and that means being stuck in one particular place for several years - a portion of that time is dedicated to progressing the story and then another (perhaps the biggest) chunk used to fill it the area with side-content. This coincides with the timeline of the game - the early game felt like a story-oriented rpg and eventually turned into a sandbox experience when development shifted focus.

We're once again in the phase of extending the story, which should be followed by another long period of side-content being added... assuming history repeats itself and Inno's motivation and interest doesn't run out. There's a chance she may go back and revamp or fill in areas that need it but do keep in mind we're talking about a timespan of literal years. There's an equal chance that things will never go back to what they once were, in which case you're probably better off only checking this game once a year or scratch it off your list of interests.

One could argue that the success of the project has become its own prison. 7k a month is nothing to sneeze at and she gets it regardless of her shortcomings and excuses. What incentive does she have to change, really? If the issue here is her mental health and exhaustion, then she is screwed. She's her own boss - when and how much she works is up to her. There are few jobs out there that offer the same flexibility, benefit and compensation as this. If she's struggling with her own project, with all these advantages, then it's safe to assume she wouldn't last long in an ordinary job unless she's one of those people that perform better under pressure, with supervision and real consequences for failure.

This game has become her lifeline to put food in the table and pay the bills. It's draining every ounce of her will but she cannot let it go because the alternative is scarier. Better pay doesn't always mean better conditions and a happier disposition, it just means it will be harder to let go when shit hits the fan... which it did and still does. And she can't delegate tasks to an official team because then she'd lose agency and ownership over the game and its content. There were projects in the past that got ruined because of disagreements in the dev team.

 

[Skooky]

There are many ways she can get someone to help - a ghostwriter, a junior dev straight out of college, paying the people that make mods in her community on a per release per contribution basis, options a plenty. But she either is greedy and wants the whole cake to her self or my personal belief - she is burned out/depressed to shit or both and is like a horse with blinds following the ruts in the road.

Case in point: the companion system.

It's something everyone following the game wants but as Inno stated, it's a very repetitive and long process that drains her so she's shelving it.

Solution: Go to linkedin, look for a 20 year old with Java knowledge and be like "oi m8, imma give you 15 british quid an hour do this horrible shit I don't wanna do, innit?"
It's an oversaturated market, 100% someone's gonna pick up that offer.