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Yeah, I'm not feeling that cynical today. :)
I mean, according to the version number, we aren't even halfway through development, and it has taken them something like 7 years. Bear in mind this was during a period of time in which development was faster than it is today, Inno is slowing down. Therefore, we can assume it'll take at least twice as long to complete the other half, which would be 14 years (2037-2038). In reality, Inno is probably more than twice as slow as she once was.
 
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I mean, according to the version number, we aren't even halfway through development, and it has taken them something like 7 years. Bear in mind this was during a period of time in which development was faster than it is today, Inno is slowing down. Therefore, we can assume it'll take at least twice as long to complete the other half, which would be 14 years (2037-2038). In reality, Inno is probably more than twice as slow as she once was.
Check some of my other posts to this thread. Most of the time I'm suggesting a much later completion date. I was just in a more generous mood today, probably due to the eclipse.
 
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I wanted to give it a try, but I can't open it. It says it requires Java 19, but the link takes me to Java 8. Doesn't seem to be any way to get to 19, if that even exists. Makes me wonder what is going on here.
is the link to download Java 21 (the latest LTS version of Java). As long as you have Java 19 or newer, you will be able to run the save editor.
 
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wiki is down, where else i can find list of quests and how to trigger them?
for example quest about corrupt enforcer, or how to transform Lilaya into succubus?
or where to find bondage gear?
Corrupt Enforcer: You need to handle the harpies and keep walking in Dominion when it's not having storms ,then an fox enforcer should stop you and ask for help, it has two endings one where you help said corrupt enforcer and one where you help the fox enforcer (imo the corrupt enforcer is a cooler character to talk with, plus she is one of Lunette's kids) but doing the slime quest makes it faster I believe so

Sucubus Lilaya: Become a Demon (100 corruption, then visit her mom) and go back to Lilaya, then you say you will help her become a Demon too

Bondage Gear: It's being sold in one of the tiles at Demon Home, very specifically the Doll Factory.

DOMINION AND SUBMISSION QUESTS:

Meeting Mommy: During Mother's Week in March you will meet a Cow-girl named Mommy, and you guessed it she is a special hooker who does some Mom kink sex

Callie's Bakery: A dickgirl who owns a Bakery in Dominion, give your ass or pussy a few times along with some donations to help her renovate the bakery allowing it to become more successful, you can only do it if you are a girl or an androgynous person dressed in feminine clothes.

Harpy Bickering: Go to Harpy nests, beat em up and become Harpy Queen/King, simple as (wished it gave us a trait or smt like when you help the Amazons by beating all invaders or beating up the Imp Fortress)

HFL Bunker: In the Bat caverns of Batman there is a HFL bunker, find the passwords inside the caverns to enter it and get some HFL clothes and firebombs (which are incredibly OP)

Amber's bitch: After finding Arthur you can go back to Zaranix home and talk with Amber, where you can act as her bitch or beat her up for being a bitch.

Slime Queen, Cat Girl, Teleportations (oh my!): Help the Enforcer cat girl to stop the Slime queen (or help her to get more slimes in Submission) either way she will believe you helped her and you will be able to use teleportation pads, after running away from the SWORD warehouse you will learn the teleport spell and make things far easier to travel around the game. (plus you can fuck the Slime Queen and some of her servants, AND the cat girl)

The Bitchening (Brax's edition): Get Arthur's location from Brax and then return to the Enforcer station, you will do a minor quest for Candi where you go left and right getting things for her, you can also transform Brax into a subby wolf girl called Bree or a cock addict bimbo called Brandi, however freeing him (or her) has planned but unfinished content (shocking!)

The Bitchening (Rat assholes edition): Help the Gambling Den owner by beating up the Rat gang in Submission, you can TF Murk into a sex addict rat girl and his leader into a girly rat girl with a small dick.

Filly: After helping Helena to set up her shop or sometimes visiting rose gardens, you can meet Natalya who specializes in transportation, she gives you a deal where you become a free indentured servant and in return, you can service centaurs, but you can only work if you are a dickgirl with large boobs

Helena's Shop: Help Helena set up her shop, but being quite frank she is a bitch and not in a good amusing way but it does allow you to design the slaves in any way you want them and also allows her to be sexable AND makes Scarlet a woman and not a futa if you wish so.

Nyan Dating: Help her and Kay to unlock Enchanted Clothing, plus do some visits to both of them to allow them to become sexable and become a boyfriend/girlfriend to Nyan, you can also bang her mom but she doesn't care in any way.

ELIS

Cow Milking: North from Elis there is a milking company where you can do a contract to work as a cow, but there is a bad ending if you keep working there where you end up as a slave.

Eisek's quest: The Dragon guy who shows up ONLY at the start of months in Elis, doing his quest allows you to get dragon fruits and Tf into a Dragon (but becoming a Slime, Tf into a Dragon that way and then getting unslimmed is FAR easier and quicker)

Cow Girl in Elis: In one of the markets at Elis there is a Cow Girl who needs her breast pumps from said milking company.

General Fuckery in Elis: Some minor missions also in Elis include befriending the fox hooker, taur sex with the enforcer's receptionist, fucking the taur foxes, the Beer Bitches where you get some (unwilling) new subjects to lactate beer and get pounded, The Elis Faire where you go to a fair (also related to fucking the taur foxes)

Those are all quests and notable things I suppose!
 
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Minor thing to add, you don't even need to go to city hall but rather just talk about freeing your slaves to the Slaver asshole, this should up the Lilaya Landlady quest

Therefore, we can assume it'll take at least twice as long to complete the other half, which would be 14 years (2037-2038). In reality, Inno is probably more than twice as slow as she once was.
Bold of you to assume we will see glimpses of the other half and we won't still be stuck at Elis, I trust that other people will mod and finish the game before Inno and quite frankly I think Inno thinks the same.

IMO I feel like Inno's biggest problem is that the development is very based on whims if anything, there doesn't really seem to be a focus on 1 thing but rather multiple things at once, as I mentioned before there is a lot of unfinished but allegedly planned content and so they are developing multiple things at once rather than just focusing on finishing the Elis plotline, there is no real focus, and that is the hopeful and trusting scenario where I assume Inno isn't being lazy and doing jackshit.

I can compare the development with Broken Dreams Correctional Facility which is inspired by LT and Trials In Tainted Space, it is a much smaller game both in scope and mechanically so it's an unjust comparison, but the development is much smoother and I believe that last week the game has released a complete route and ending because the dev focused on finishing the route and even then it has quite a bit of side content (and dev commentary does have their ramblings telling how they might try adding some more content to specific characters here and there when they can)
 

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Corrupt Enforcer: You need to handle the harpies and keep walking in Dominion when it's not having storms ,then an fox enforcer should stop you and ask for help, it has two endings one where you help said corrupt enforcer and one where you help the fox enforcer (imo the corrupt enforcer is a cooler character to talk with, plus she is one of Lunette's kids) but doing the slime quest makes it faster I believe so

Sucubus Lilaya: Become a Demon (100 corruption, then visit her mom) and go back to Lilaya, then you say you will help her become a Demon too

Bondage Gear: It's being sold in one of the tiles at Demon Home, very specifically the Doll Factory.

DOMINION AND SUBMISSION QUESTS:

Meeting Mommy: During Mother's Week in March you will meet a Cow-girl named Mommy, and you guessed it she is a special hooker who does some Mom kink sex

Callie's Bakery: A dickgirl who owns a Bakery in Dominion, give your ass or pussy a few times along with some donations to help her renovate the bakery allowing it to become more successful, you can only do it if you are a girl or an androgynous person dressed in feminine clothes.

Harpy Bickering: Go to Harpy nests, beat em up and become Harpy Queen/King, simple as (wished it gave us a trait or smt like when you help the Amazons by beating all invaders or beating up the Imp Fortress)

HFL Bunker: In the Bat caverns of Batman there is a HFL bunker, find the passwords inside the caverns to enter it and get some HFL clothes and firebombs (which are incredibly OP)

Amber's bitch: After finding Arthur you can go back to Zaranix home and talk with Amber, where you can act as her bitch or beat her up for being a bitch.

Slime Queen, Cat Girl, Teleportations (oh my!): Help the Enforcer cat girl to stop the Slime queen (or help her to get more slimes in Submission) either way she will believe you helped her and you will be able to use teleportation pads, after running away from the SWORD warehouse you will learn the teleport spell and make things far easier to travel around the game. (plus you can fuck the Slime Queen and some of her servants, AND the cat girl)

The Bitchening (Brax's edition): Get Arthur's location from Brax and then return to the Enforcer station, you will do a minor quest for Candi where you go left and right getting things for her, you can also transform Brax into a subby wolf girl called Bree or a cock addict bimbo called Brandi, however freeing him (or her) has planned but unfinished content (shocking!)

The Bitchening (Rat assholes edition): Help the Gambling Den owner by beating up the Rat gang in Submission, you can TF Murk into a sex addict rat girl and his leader into a girly rat girl with a small dick.

Filly: After helping Helena to set up her shop or sometimes visiting rose gardens, you can meet Natalya who specializes in transportation, she gives you a deal where you become a free indentured servant and in return, you can service centaurs, but you can only work if you are a dickgirl with large boobs

Helena's Shop: Help Helena set up her shop, but being quite frank she is a bitch and not in a good amusing way but it does allow you to design the slaves in any way you want them and also allows her to be sexable AND makes Scarlet a woman and not a futa if you wish so.

Nyan Dating: Help her and Kay to unlock Enchanted Clothing, plus do some visits to both of them to allow them to become sexable and become a boyfriend/girlfriend to Nyan, you can also bang her mom but she doesn't care in any way.

ELIS

Cow Milking: North from Elis there is a milking company where you can do a contract to work as a cow, but there is a bad ending if you keep working there where you end up as a slave.

Eisek's quest: The Dragon guy who shows up ONLY at the start of months in Elis, doing his quest allows you to get dragon fruits and Tf into a Dragon (but becoming a Slime, Tf into a Dragon that way and then getting unslimmed is FAR easier and quicker)

Cow Girl in Elis: In one of the markets at Elis there is a Cow Girl who needs her breast pumps from said milking company.

General Fuckery in Elis: Some minor missions also in Elis include befriending the fox hooker, taur sex with the enforcer's receptionist, fucking the taur foxes, the Beer Bitches where you get some (unwilling) new subjects to lactate beer and get pounded, The Elis Faire where you go to a fair (also related to fucking the taur foxes)

Those are all quests and notable things I suppose!
about Lilaya: strange but it didn't happen, i asked this because i played this game before, in early versions it was as you said, now it's not happening, bug maybe?
 

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is the link to download Java 21 (the latest LTS version of Java). As long as you have Java 19 or newer, you will be able to run the save editor.
It worked! Thank you very much. If that's the newest version, I really wonder why it linked to such an old one.
 
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Check some of my other posts to this thread. Most of the time I'm suggesting a much later completion date. I was just in a more generous mood today, probably due to the eclipse.
I think I was being generous too, as I seriously doubt we will ever see LT completed. I expect within a few years even Inno's doggedly loyal following will fall away, the money will dry up, and she'll have to return to whatever she was doing before this, in her own words, became her "real job".


Bold of you to assume we will see glimpses of the other half and we won't still be stuck at Elis, I trust that other people will mod and finish the game before Inno and quite frankly I think Inno thinks the same.
I agree with you, as I said above, I doubt we will ever seen completion from Inno. Should it come, it'll certainly be from an external party forking it.

IMO I feel like Inno's biggest problem is that the development is very based on whims if anything, there doesn't really seem to be a focus on 1 thing but rather multiple things at once, as I mentioned before there is a lot of unfinished but allegedly planned content and so they are developing multiple things at once rather than just focusing on finishing the Elis plotline, there is no real focus, and that is the hopeful and trusting scenario where I assume Inno isn't being lazy and doing jackshit.
I think Inno has gotten bored of the project, she's probably the sort of person who enjoys starting, not finishing, I am one too. The reason she continues with it is likely a monetary incentive, but despises the IP itself, which would explain why she produces little, if any, content that involves working with the IP. It's a doomed project, and was doomed from the start, however it is fortuitous as it provides inspiration (and words of caution) to those who want to create similar eroge.
 
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Without cheats or save editor? Nope.
Also Steal IS INCREDIBLY BUGGY if you learn it, the Vaccum Suction upgrade has a 10% of displacing items but it's far less buggier.

I think Inno has gotten bored of the project, she's probably the sort of person who enjoys starting, not finishing, I am one too. The reason she continues with it is likely a monetary incentive, but despises the IP itself, which would explain why she produces little, if any, content that involves working with the IP. It's a doomed project, and was doomed from the start, however it is fortuitous as it provides inspiration (and words of caution) to those who want to create similar eroge.
You are probrably right, Inno likely doesn't care about the project anymore (look the updates from this year compared to the others) hell we were supposed to have the doll update two weeks ago and yet as of writting this it got delayed to God knows when, it's a fun game but I doubt it will ever be finished at least by Inno, still it does have a lot of interesting mechanics that other people can be inspired by.
 
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You are probrably right, Inno likely doesn't care about the project anymore (look the updates from this year compared to the others) hell we were supposed to have the doll update two weeks ago and yet as of writting this it got delayed to God knows when, it's a fun game but I doubt it will ever be finished at least by Inno, still it does have a lot of interesting mechanics that other people can be inspired by.
It's such a shame, as the concept of this game is interesting. In fact, parts of the execution are good too. The trouble comes when we have to consider things like balance in combat, the acquisition of money, and just how broken enchantments are. The bones are there, it's just everything else, and how long it takes to get anything done. Pretty all of the updates for the past few years have been content from her followers, not her. Which is so strange, because she refuses to actually hire anyone to improve or speed up development. She's willing to use the ideas of others, and even their work, but not actually hire someone. If she was dedicated to finishing, and actually cared about the IP, she would. It's all just so telling.
 
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another save editor question
when i export save to it
it just picks character name and some other stuff
but besides "some" stuff in core tab(it even don't check personality correctly and all checkboxes are empty)
every other tab is "empty"
what could cause it?
 

Exiua

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another save editor question
when i export save to it
it just picks character name and some other stuff
but besides "some" stuff in core tab(it even don't check personality correctly and all checkboxes are empty)
every other tab is "empty"
what could cause it?
Most likely the save editor is running into an internal error when parsing the save file. If you send me the save file that is cause this issue, I can look into what is causing the save editor to fail.
 

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The nature of patreon doesn't really encourage finishing a game or working to a real schedule, sadly. It has its upside as you get some content and dedicated efforts you may have not had otherwise but I can't help but feel some other better system is possible to help ensure a better ratio of input to output or projects started to completion rather than countless v0.01 and then a bunch that die half way when someone ghosts or claims they've got brain rot or their mother has divorced them or something and then you've got the other main category that just marches on as zombie projects forever. Sometimes with ever dwindling tiny updates with bigger gaps between them or they just go silent and somehow people keep making excuses for it out of some misplaced sense of loyalty...or desperation because it caters to their niche kink combination.

All that said LT does still, despite everyting else out there, offer something unique on the marketplace. It's a shame the focus though seems to have gone all over the place with odd additions like infinite new species of characters when the best time investment would probably be the sex system having more variety and core content as that stretches across the whole game play and keeps things fresh for longer.
 
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