Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Deleted member 7020277]

from personal expirence being in the gay furry sphere, the reason we seem to get a lot of the big text games is because a lot of us are in STEM or STEM related fields so we want our games to be more then just a simple wank novel.

I think that the people making games that specific, are looking to make that game, specifically; whereas someone trying to make a porn game can just pull from a big bag of archetypes.

'Some people like work-types, let's make a buisness woman'
'Some people like stormy redheads, let's make a seductress'
'Some people like motherly figures, let's make a stepmom'

From there it's really just going down the checklist of positions and camera angles

Its a lot more comfortable for someone to produce a game based on generalizations, rather than your own sexual makeup. It's also a lot more profitable, a large majority of the population are straight, and so making a basic-ass 3dcg straight vanilla game is going to reach a lot more people. Its also a lot more simple, workflow-wise

Download blender and like 3 pre-made assets, dress them up, render, throw that into visual novel maker and you pretty much have half of a patreon game. I would be hard-pressed to think of a workflow so simple for a game like bdcc or flexible survival. you just can't write that much on archetypes alone.

straight games lend themselves more towards flat out VNs or just CG collectors, while gay games lend themselves to incredibly in depth minute detail text based games.

Frankly, the gays have the better of the two choices in that regard lol

again, I think that why they're gay, mostly. 93% of men and 87% of women are straight, according to wikipedia. If your making a porn game to make money, making it gay would be absolutely gimping your own project.

 

[Draupnir7]

Ah yes, adding something to the game that is ALREADY IN THE FUCKING GAME.
Bravo Innoxia. Truly, this update was worth all the time taken for it. Not a single moment of waiting was wasted.

I am going to go out on a very thin limb and say what that really is, is a series of 'dead fish' descriptions. Which is... very niche. I am more perturbed by yet another god-damn DOG MORPH.

 

[EmDotRand]

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One main point of disagreement: Ever heard of tv tropes? It has a massive catalogue of archetypes for media of all sorts, including video games. After browsing for a bit, you'll notice that every entity ever is a collection of archetypes mashed together. Meraxis, arguably one of the more fleshed out characters in LT (not saying much), is a

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. Pretty sure you do something simular yet more setting appropriate in BDCC to make some NPC's.

Also keep in mind that consumers of some niches will pay top dollar to see more, negating the potential losses from cutting out the common masses. Seriously, the number of mysteriously wealthy people throwing tips at furry and loli artists...

 

[Guileless]

One main point of disagreement: Ever heard of tv tropes? It has a massive catalogue of archetypes for media of all sorts, including video games. After browsing for a bit, you'll notice that every entity ever is a collection of archetypes mashed together. Meraxis, arguably one of the more fleshed out characters in LT (not saying much), is a

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who serves as a

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and a

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. Pretty sure you do something simular yet more setting appropriate in BDCC to make some NPC's.

Also keep in mind that consumers of some niches will pay top dollar to see more, negating the potential losses from cutting out the common masses. Seriously, the number of mysteriously wealthy people throwing tips at furry and loli artists...

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, the implementation of which I get a real kick out of because I always take the Chuuni-type perk in the skill tree for some truly silly exchanges.

Also often surprised by the intense fervor of some furry/loli fetishists, the latter category I've realized that I learned to tolerate ignore as it was intensely prevalent in the 90's/early 2000's anime (back when I would watch any anime I could find and I couldn't be as selective). I appreciate when sandbox games give options for disabling or avoiding such squicky content.

 

[EmDotRand]

I am disappointed in you. You missed

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, the implementation of which I get a real kick out of because I always take the Chuuni perk in the skill tree for some truly silly exchanges.

I was going to make a list, but then stopped because I knew there'd be a bunch of "what about this trope?" comments like this one.

Edit: Bruv even the eye-patch thing is part of the trope even though that part is slightly downplayed since it does reduce her power a bit.

 

[Guileless]

While I know that this question may be stupid or has been asked already, please humor me. Why hasn't Inno asked for help in completing the game, or at least a sizeable chunk of it? I mean, I get it Life happens: members of your family die, mentally you're falling apart, you lose your job, you wake up one morning and can't even recognize the person staring back at you in the mirror, etc. But imho when you take on a project that is seemingly as big as this one, you're going to need a support team; you're going to need help, and having discord mods tell you what you want to hear ain't gonna cut it.

I will say that the majority of items noted in the changelogs for the past few years have actually come from other developers (their contributors are acknowledged in the change notes and also observable in the Github). They're typically minor characters, minor mechanics, or things like new items rather than significant advancements on core quests/characters/mechanics, though. I could speculate that Innoxia is protective of the core elements but I don't have any knowledge/evidence to confirm the actual situation.

 

[tehlemon]

this game feels like ADHD let loose but in the more ADD way. i also have the tisms but come now i want to see a design doc. i dont even write fanfics with out one..... not to say i follow them but they help with the genral idea

lmao

It was like, five or six years ago at this point where I said that it seems like Inno might just have untreated ADHD. A lot of what's gone on with this game's development and design *screams* untreated ADHD.

 

[Guileless]

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again, I think that why they're gay, mostly. 93% of men and 87% of women are straight, according to wikipedia. If your making a porn game to make money, making it gay would be absolutely gimping your own project.

I don't know about the accuracy of those values as sourced from Wikipedia but I guess they seem plausible compared to the number of openly homosexual people I meet. I think that there's going to be bias from a non-uniform distribution of persons with most niche interests/fetishes (also applies to virtually any minority interest group) where there will be places of much greater density such as F95Zone. F95Zone is, as much as anywhere else on the internet, an echo chamber (somebody mentioned echo chambers earlier in the thread and I felt like while it is accurate it is also sort of a given; echo chambers are a nigh-ubiquitous facet of the internet).

I have to constantly remind myself that some of the discourse here is dominated by a very extraordinarily high concentration of niche interests that is not representative of the general population. Otherwise I'd come away from some of these threads convinced that billions of people are foaming at the mouth for the opportunity to e.g. inbreed (not going to try to list other fetishes but this one is so incredibly prevalent here that it's a safe example). As long as games provide options to avoid/disable such content while still being engaging I try to overlook it.

 

[Lady Luck]

Now we are here mostly to ridicule her behaviors and take bets on when she'll post another "I'm sorry but I've been down lately so can't work at all I will push a post out next year thanks for spoon-feeding me money as usual bye".

Let's not forget that it's not just her that deserves ridicule, but also her cult following. I also like to occasionally calculate how much she is making per year(as Ive posted in this thread several times) because its amusing in a sort of depressing way that she makes more than the average person in her country.

 

[jfmherokiller]

coming back to the whole Chuuni thing, its completely hilarious and reminds me of the silly mode in stuff like CoCX. But I will admit it can get old fast and in terms of the world at large it also seems to function as a debuff on most of my playthroughs.

 

[Recurracy]

New blogpost, titled: "Update on Monday", just goes over the doll race and testing/implementation of sleep sex mechanics then "bug fixing" over the weekend.
Let's see if she'll go through with the promise

 

[Deleted member 7020277]

Meraxis, arguably one of the more fleshed out characters in LT (not saying much), is a

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who serves as a

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and a

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. Pretty sure you do something simular yet more setting appropriate in BDCC to make some NPC's.

That is a really good point, actually.

I still find that more broad games tend to write from one specific archetype, like they're filling holes in a pre-set cast; rather than a character for the characters' sake. Like if you wanted to write someone who gets widowed, your obligated to write a spouse. And if you have to write a spouse (especially if they only fill a gap in the story,) your gonna write the spouse.

 

[jfmherokiller]

Does anyone else just keep Brax around as thier powerful police doggo? I love how even tho the whole companion system was basicly dropped you can find spots where his existance is taken into account if hes in your party.

 

[Deleted member 7020277]

New blogpost, titled: "Update on Monday", just goes over the doll race and testing/implementation of sleep sex mechanics then "bug fixing" over the weekend.
Let's see if she'll go through with the promise

I wonder, she talks about it like she's programming around characters not being allowed an action. The witches seal already immobilizes during sex as an item-bound action, couldn't she just call that binding function through a sex action? Or, failing that, make them react with nothing, (like as a sex action,) rather than programing around so they don't react at all? I don't mod this game so I don't know how bad the spaghetti is, but that seems reasonable, right? Any modders know?

 

[Draupnir7]

I wonder, she talks about it like she's programming around characters not being allowed an action. The witches seal already immobilizes during sex as an item-bound action, couldn't she just call that binding function through a sex action? Or, failing that, make them react with nothing, (like as a sex action,) rather than programing around so they don't react at all? I don't mod this game so I don't know how bad the spaghetti is, but that seems reasonable, right? Any modders know?

The only thing I know for sure about programming is that I am very bad at it and so I do not do it. But I think it would be reasonable to assume that she could just have an overarching 'immobile' function she could branch out from with the Witch Seal, sleep, tentacle binds, and whatever else. The main problem with that would be it might require less spaghetti code to stress over.

 

[jfmherokiller]

from personal expirence the last time I tried to mod the game it was so spagettified (because of a horrible horrible mix of xml and js on top of the already messy java). It required atleast 1 beer to comprehend.

TLDR: the game isnt just a pure java game if it was that would be bad enough with how messy it is. Its also a javascript game because of the whole nashorn (js webkit) engine.

The way the game is kind of setup is a bit like gmod or the sims 4 or even skyrim. Where it has the "c++" (tho in this case its java which makes it a lot worse) backend and some kind of embeded scripting engine for the modding/small stuff scripts.

However unlike the professional engines seen in gmod/sims/skyrim which will clearly yell at you when your scripting is wrong either via a log file or an ingame popup. This game will just keep on trucking and have internal failures that can easily corrupt whole saves and not tell you anything until you compare your code to other mods/actual game code.

Also due to the fact that its running both a java and javascript interpreter at the same time and needs to keep both in sync on top of the whole keeping track of 1000s of npcs you just elbow on your way through the game it quickly falls apart.

if i remember from attempts at making I think some kind of pooltoy thing or some such at the time you needed code like

<action><![CDATA[#IF(some comparison here) {peform action here}]]></action>

Which looks simple and easy on the surface until you notice that none of your code is being checked for typos or completeness. And is also burried in a usually large xml document.

TLDR: the engine conceptually is a possibly a good idea (its concept is based off working examples seen in the wild) but the implmentation is a giant fractual mess.

 

[Simp Cattu]

Her recent posts might sound cheery and all, but lets not forget that she delayed this "update" for MORE THAN SIX MONTHS. All of these development rambling are what she could have done in SIX MONTHS. The faster she pushes this out, the more evident it is that she has done absolutely nothing for half a year, and is only focusing on writing the game NOW for... whatever reason behind it.

Explaining the inner working of the code could be a good sign that the dev is passionate about their development and is eager to share it to people who are also interested in contributing to the game. But this is Inno we're talking about, so I really can't see this being anything else other than an attempt to pad out the post to last more than 3 lines and try to push the activity of her blogspot up after months of ghosting.

 

[jortsa2.0]

is this game iced?

 

[GammaXai]

focusing on writing the game NOW for... whatever reason behind it.

Quite likely either a major contributor has said they are planning to leave the community from boredom or a super patron has expressed they want the update with their OC finished properly or their money back but the money is long gone.

 

[Draupnir7]

is this game iced?

Kind of. Inno's development is glacial.
But no, the game is not dead. We are just somewhere on the waning side of one of her many 'stress'-related development pauses.