Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[organord]

Where can you view that? I've been copy/pasting the "offspring" list in the debug menu into Notepad++ and counting the lines to get my number of children.

Phone > Stats > Pregnancy Stats

 

[bobomb]

What are you using? Nasa's hadron collider? Why the fuck people that have money for ridiculously powerful PCs able to process all of this would resort to incomplete free porn sandbox game instead of bying normal ones? Most of us are here not because we have piles of money, rather lack of them.

Nothing special. And it is from 2017 when I had piles of money. Not from 2021 when I live at home and take care of my parents because my father is in a wheelchair and my mother is developing dementia.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

That doesn't solve the main issue in this scenario, which is that pesky NPC cap. Moving content or redesigning areas won't change how much goes into it nor will it raise how many NPCs the game can handle without offing itself, quite literally in some cases.

The angle I was taking here was to limit the amount of NPCs needed to even progress the main quest, by limiting the amount of territory needed and make more use of the NPCs that currently exist, so that there would be less need to create more NPCs in the first place.

Additionally: if a piece of land is just an offset of Dominion, it logically won't be as large as an entire country or brand-new town if only because of the fact that you won't need surrounding landscapes to justify it's independent position. I specifically used the Harpy Nest to drive home the point that this piece of territory located within Dominion uses far less mapping and thus limits the amount of NPCs that would exist in its general domain. You have 5 major NPCs that reside in the Nests, given how small it is by comparison to Dominion as a whole. You have 2 major NPCs that reside in the Rat Warrens' hideout, given how even smaller it is by comparison. The size of the territory is obviously related to how many major NPCs reside in that territory, so Innoxia wouldn't be compelled to flood so many NPCs into the new domains as they have done with Dominion and Submission, which would cap resource usage by the simple fact that Innoxia wouldn't want to overcrowd a specific area.

Basically, I'm saying the NPC limit imposed by the game's structure would serve to limit Innoxia's constant side-quest detours and encourage more usage of the NPCs that exist. I don't think the solution is to expand the game to support more NPC generation, because that would mean that Innoxia can waste more time making more NPCs that will never see usage after 2 days of playing through their romance quest. What Innoxia did with Helena at the beginning in regards to finding Arthur was a great example of making multiple uses of an NPC, in that they were relevant to the main plot and also had side content to go with them and this made them more dynamic.

 

[SordidDreams]

Content should be spread out, not crammed into every corner of a claustrophobic map.

Why? I can see the downside, that being a lot of downtime and dead space between the interesting fun bits, but what's the benefit?

I'm getting sick of treading the streets of steampunk-infused contemporary London, myself.

That's fair enough, but I'm sure it'd bet nice and fresh with some new content.

And Daggerfall's big-ass map is a major plus if you ask me.

Clearly you've never played Daggerfall, because then you'd know it's really, really not. All that empty space might as well not exist, since you never actually go out into it. All your quest locations get marked on your map, so you can and do just fast travel to them (because it would take six hours of real time to walk there), and there's no point trying to explore. It's not like Skyrim's densely packed map, where you can just pick a direction and stumble upon something interesting within five minutes. In Daggerfall, it'll take you hours to randomly come across a point of interest. That's what realism gets you. There's a good reason they never made another game like that.

Now LT almost certainly won't turn out that bad, but I still see no reason to have an overworld map that's 99.5% empty tiles. You could easily expand the game with new zones without having an overworld map at all. You come to one of the exits out of Dominion, the game gives you a list of known locations you can go. You click your destination, you get a screen saying something along the lines of "after several days of travel, you arrive at your destination", and boom, you're there. Two clicks instead of several hundred. You could have random encounters built into that, and even exploration. A simple menu option along the lines of "explore the vicinity of <choose a known location from a list>" would do just fine for that, and if you find something interesting, it gets added to your list of known locations. I see no reason to have a map at all, all it'll do is just waste a load of your time by making you visit every tile to make sure you haven't missed anything.

 

[anon6076]

Sweet. You know the secret sauce to fast development (Other than don't choose JAVA). So can I get the link to your game? I'd like to check it out. It must have lots of content.

Yes. Called 8 hours/5 days working week. Coupled with timesheets and threat of being fired for slacking it provides wonder of software development.

 

[IvoryOwl]

Why the fuck people that have money for ridiculously powerful PCs able to process all of this would resort to incomplete free porn sandbox game instead of bying normal ones? Most of us are here not because we have piles of money, rather lack of them.

Because both rich and poor alike have sexual urges and this website has plenty to satiate your thirst, in all colors, shapes or forms. Unlike "normal games", porn games aren't as widely distributed nor promoted, making them harder to acquire. The eastern market actively promotes and distributes their porn but it almost exclusively hentai and their tropes and visuals aren't for everyone. Meanwhile, the vast majority of western porn developers (videogames) are indie producers and they have to resort to the "black market" and shady websites to distribute their goods. Though, thankfully, Steam is becoming a bit more inclusive on that front.

Also, have you ever stopped to ponder that --maybe-- some people have more money because they are stingy? Videogames are a luxury, an expensive hobby, but you can get most of them for free if you know how and where. That means you can save all those 60$ and accumulate them to buy stuff you can't pirate. Like hardware componentes. Or other stuff.

So now you bragging that this overpriced shit is "nothing special" to you?
Your parents have nothing to do with it, don't drag them into this.

I'm sorry to break it to you but his computer really isn't all that special. Right now, an i7 3770 goes for 150-200$ on Amazon and NewEgg (compared to ~300$ from when it released). And 12GB of RAM is considered decent by today's standards. Without knowing his GPU, I'd rate his PC average or above-average (for today's standards).

People around the world have different living standards and wages. A "poor" citizen in a developed country will always live under better conditions than a poor farmer in some random third world country. In other words, just because someone has better stuff than you, doesn't mean they are as rich as you think... but if you're dirt poor, even a "crappy" phone can seem luxurious.

 

[anon6076]

And hey, it could have been worse: they could have tried writing it in C/C++

They could have shot themselves several times in ridiculous ways and went to python in early stages.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

Hey, comments on the blog are still off, despite Inno's promise to turn them back on with new update. Which was 3.18. Gonna see how many weeks it will take for her to do something about it.

 

[throbzombie]

Why? I can see the downside, that being a lot of downtime and dead space between the interesting fun bits, but what's the benefit?

It's my personal preference. Stuffing a small area with content strains my suspension of disbelief and makes the map feel cluttered.

Clearly you've never played Daggerfall, because then you'd know it's really, really not

I have, and do, play Daggerfall, and I like the big, big map.

 

[AJLee7385]

is there a walk through or a wiki somewhere of quests stuff

 

[SordidDreams]

It's my personal preference. Stuffing a small area with content strains my suspension of disbelief and makes the map feel cluttered.

Fair enough, I guess, though personally I find it hard to understand the desire for a change of scenery given that there is no scenery. Does it matter whether you're encountering random NPCs on a grey box that's nominally in a city as opposed to a grey box nominally in a forest? The only difference is that it's going to say "forest path" instead of "alleyway" at the top of the screen, which is not a meaningful addition in my opinion. And I don't see why having a densely packed city should break suspension of disbelief, quite the contrary; densely packing stuff together is kind of the whole point of cities, you know?

 

[bobomb]

So now you bragging that this overpriced shit is "nothing special" to you?
Your parents have nothing to do with it, don't drag them into this.

I don't know who pissed in your wheaties buddy but yes it is not "NASA's Large Hadron Collider" (Which everyone with half a brain cell knows is CERN's large hadron collider which technology has not alot to do with computing and everything to do with smashing atoms). It is 5 year old technology and certainly not IBM's AI or China's quantum computer. So chill out and get a clue. I am not bragging just showing that it is not a ridiculous rig by today's standards. If you don't have a good computer and you want one I suggest saving up for it. I mentioned my parents only because I am sensitive about the fact that for the first time I don't have much of a job except delivering pizzas a couple of hours a week.

 

[throbzombie]

Fair enough, I guess, though personally I find it hard to understand the desire for a change of scenery given that there is no scenery. Does it matter whether you're encountering random NPCs on a grey box that's nominally in a city as opposed to a grey box nominally in a forest? The only difference is that it's going to say "forest path" instead of "alleyway" at the top of the screen, which is not a meaningful addition in my opinion. And I don't see why having a densely packed city should break suspension of disbelief, quite the contrary; densely packing stuff together is kind of the whole point of cities, you know?

Yeah, it does matter where and how encounters take place, for that is part of the worldbuilding. You encounter city-dwelling races in the city, desert-dwelling races in the desert, et cetera, and the world is more believable because it gels with the lore. I'm not saying the map has to be huge; I'd just like it not to be so dense. And cities are mostly nothing, at least as far as one individual is concerned. You could live your whole life in one town and miss 90% of it.

But again, just personal preference.

 

[IvoryOwl]

So it's ok and completely fine if i'm gonna belittle and insult you if i have more money than you? If so, than it's you who should ponder.

Having more money doesn't grant you the right to belittle nor insult others less fortunate than yourself. Likewise, being poor doesn't grant you the right to be petty just because someone owns better stuff than you. The former is called being arrogant, and the latter is called being envious.

I don't think Bobombs' posts were braggadocious. If you think his mid-line PC is enough to warrant your attitude towards him, that it justifies this "me poor vs you rich" argument, then I think that speaks more about you than him. Just my 2 cents. *shrug*

 

[The Shining 'Finger']

Having more money doesn't grant you the right to belittle nor insult others less fortunate than yourself. Likewise, being poor doesn't grant you the right to be petty just because someone owns better stuff than you. The former is called being arrogant, and the latter is called being envious.

I don't think Bobombs' posts were braggadocious. If you think his mid-line PC is enough to warrant your attitude towards him, that it justifies this "me poor vs you rich" argument, then I think that speaks more about you than him. Just my 2 cents. *shrug*

Gahd damn "Braggadocious" I'm gonna add that shit to my dictionary.

 

[AJLee7385]

can somone please tell me if theres a walkthrough or wiki its been a while i remember some stuff but i forggeten a lot and i distencly rember at some point seing a walkthrough or guild somewhere even though didnt have a lort in last time i played.

 

[alex2011]

Content should be spread out, not crammed into every corner of a claustrophobic map. I'm getting sick of treading the streets of steampunk-infused contemporary London, myself. And Daggerfall's big-ass map is a major plus if you ask me.



My solution would be to put a limit of, say, 20 on generated NPCs. Any NPCs generated after hitting 20 won't be saved like usual and disappear after interacting with them. Offspring simply wouldn't show up so that you don't accidentally delete one of your kids.

I see, that would solve the issue since they wouldn't persist. The fact that each persists unless you specifically do something to scare them off is the issue with random NPCs. This, however, will not solve the issue with NPCs like the quest givers as they have to remain.

You are wrong about that.
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Or I'm not and you didn't load at least one on EVERY tile. There are multiple random capable tiles in that image that do not have NPCs. You are close to the limit, but you aren't there yet. Of course, good luck getting an image to prove it when you really do hit it since the game sometimes crashes completely just by trying to load a save with that many loaded NPCs.

Holy quadruple post.

I posted this almost a year ago and it still rings true.

There's not much more to say beyond preaching to the choir. This game will never come close to being finished and it will eventually be dropped when the subscribestar bux decline. Innoxia is just wrapping up Dominion, which is meant to be one of eight(?) supposedly planned zones. It won't magically get better once the development moves on to something outside of Dominion. Even in the small possibility that they do get implemented, they will be extremely half-assed without any sort of remarkable details. Innoxia bit off more than they could chew for a first project. The question isn't if, but when Innoxia will publicly admit this.

It did turn out to be fun sandbox, though.

Indeed, sad but true. I will go down with the ship, however. This is more than most experienced developers working in teams can chew, they would absolutely not have recommended doing it alone and I still stand with them on that. This is on the edge of big company developer territory.

Nine zones, not eight, by the way, and that doesn't include the settlements like Dominion or Elis.

Best thing would probably be to skip that and focus entirely on Dominion only or remove the various zones like Submission and put them on the world map, although the latter would most likely upset a few people, myself included.

That would be the end of the game for a different reason. A lot of people are expecting it to move out of Dominion as planned because we have been told it would for years. A lot of people would be even angrier than I am now if the plan to do the other areas got abandoned. A lot of those would leave, some would complain, very few would remain despite the decision.

The only way it should be abandoned is if the whole game is.

What are you using? Nasa's hadron collider? Why the fuck people that have money for ridiculously powerful PCs able to process all of this would resort to incomplete free porn sandbox game instead of bying normal ones? Most of us are here not because we have piles of money, rather lack of them.

Mine's no joke, either, but even a hadron collider would have issues because this is in the engine or game, not in the PC. The program can only do so much as it is now regardless of what your PC has in it. The same is an issue with Illusion's second to last game on a more severe level.

The angle I was taking here was to limit the amount of NPCs needed to even progress the main quest, by limiting the amount of territory needed and make more use of the NPCs that currently exist, so that there would be less need to create more NPCs in the first place.

Additionally: if a piece of land is just an offset of Dominion, it logically won't be as large as an entire country or brand-new town if only because of the fact that you won't need surrounding landscapes to justify it's independent position. I specifically used the Harpy Nest to drive home the point that this piece of territory located within Dominion uses far less mapping and thus limits the amount of NPCs that would exist in its general domain. You have 5 major NPCs that reside in the Nests, given how small it is by comparison to Dominion as a whole. You have 2 major NPCs that reside in the Rat Warrens' hideout, given how even smaller it is by comparison. The size of the territory is obviously related to how many major NPCs reside in that territory, so Innoxia wouldn't be compelled to flood so many NPCs into the new domains as they have done with Dominion and Submission, which would cap resource usage by the simple fact that Innoxia wouldn't want to overcrowd a specific area.

Basically, I'm saying the NPC limit imposed by the game's structure would serve to limit Innoxia's constant side-quest detours and encourage more usage of the NPCs that exist. I don't think the solution is to expand the game to support more NPC generation, because that would mean that Innoxia can waste more time making more NPCs that will never see usage after 2 days of playing through their romance quest. What Innoxia did with Helena at the beginning in regards to finding Arthur was a great example of making multiple uses of an NPC, in that they were relevant to the main plot and also had side content to go with them and this made them more dynamic.

I see

Why? I can see the downside, that being a lot of downtime and dead space between the interesting fun bits, but what's the benefit?


That's fair enough, but I'm sure it'd bet nice and fresh with some new content.


Clearly you've never played Daggerfall, because then you'd know it's really, really not. All that empty space might as well not exist, since you never actually go out into it. All your quest locations get marked on your map, so you can and do just fast travel to them (because it would take six hours of real time to walk there), and there's no point trying to explore. It's not like Skyrim's densely packed map, where you can just pick a direction and stumble upon something interesting within five minutes. In Daggerfall, it'll take you hours to randomly come across a point of interest. That's what realism gets you. There's a good reason they never made another game like that.

Now LT almost certainly won't turn out that bad, but I still see no reason to have an overworld map that's 99.5% empty tiles. You could easily expand the game with new zones without having an overworld map at all. You come to one of the exits out of Dominion, the game gives you a list of known locations you can go. You click your destination, you get a screen saying something along the lines of "after several days of travel, you arrive at your destination", and boom, you're there. Two clicks instead of several hundred. You could have random encounters built into that, and even exploration. A simple menu option along the lines of "explore the vicinity of <choose a known location from a list>" would do just fine for that, and if you find something interesting, it gets added to your list of known locations. I see no reason to have a map at all, all it'll do is just waste a load of your time by making you visit every tile to make sure you haven't missed anything.

The benefit is literally to get rid of that down time. There's a reason people here call RPGM the walking simulator, because you have to walk everywhere, potentially over long distances, to get to the next NPC to talk to. Spreading the existing content out would mitigate this by having content along the path instead of just empty traveling.

The reason the overworld, that's the blank canvas that is supposed to be the fields right now, is so empty is because all content is crammed into Dominion. Move some of it out into the fields and, boom, no longer empty AND you solve the over-saturation of content inside Dominion, two birds with one stone.

Yes. Called 8 hours/5 days working week. Coupled with timesheets and threat of being fired for slacking it provides wonder of software development.

Indeed it does, but it can also be a problem if the boss is too strict.

Hey, comments on the blog are still off, despite Inno's promise to turn them back on with new update. Which was 3.18. Gonna see how many weeks it will take for her to do something about it.

Another lie, I suppose. That's fine, disabling the comments means anyone who goes to the blog can read just how long the delay cycle has gone on.

Fair enough, I guess, though personally I find it hard to understand the desire for a change of scenery given that there is no scenery. Does it matter whether you're encountering random NPCs on a grey box that's nominally in a city as opposed to a grey box nominally in a forest? The only difference is that it's going to say "forest path" instead of "alleyway" at the top of the screen, which is not a meaningful addition in my opinion. And I don't see why having a densely packed city should break suspension of disbelief, quite the contrary; densely packing stuff together is kind of the whole point of cities, you know?

The only reason there is no scenery is because Inno has gotten sidetracked repeatedly by side content instead of getting the fields out. If the fields had been out in August as it seemed it was supposed to be, there would be plenty in the fields for a first release of the area even with those stupid Nyan and race reworks getting in the way.

I don't know who pissed in your wheaties buddy but yes it is not NASA's "Large Hadron Collider" (Which everyone with half a brain cell knows is CERN's large hadron collider which technology has not alot to do with computing and everything to do with smashing atoms). It is 5 year old technology and certainly not IBM's AI or China's quantum computer. So chill out and get a clue. I am not bragging just showing that it is not a ridiculous rig by today's standards. If you don't have a good computer and you want one I suggest saving up for it. I mentioned my parents only because I am sensitive about the fact that for the first time I don't have much of a job except delivering pizzas a couple of hours a week.

I think what he meant was the computers needed to run the hadron collider, which are within supercomputer territory if I remember correctly.

Yeah, it does matter where and how encounters take place, for that is part of the worldbuilding. You encounter city-dwelling races in the city, desert-dwelling races in the desert, et cetera, and the world is more believable because it gels with the lore. I'm not saying the map has to be huge; I'd just like it not to be so dense. And cities are mostly nothing, at least as far as one individual is concerned. You could live your whole life in one town and miss 90% of it.

But again, just personal preference.

Exactly

 

[PussyPassAnon]

Hey, comments on the blog are still off, despite Inno's promise to turn them back on with new update. Which was 3.18. Gonna see how many weeks it will take for her to do something about it.

Nobody that understands how authoritarianism works believed that Innoxia actually intended to turn comments back on, especially if you couple in the fact that Innoxia doesn't even keep their word on when updates will be released. I found it funny that people justified the shutting down of the comments in the first place with the premise of "it's temporary," as if shutting down conversation is forgivable in any context for any length of time whatsoever. I don't care if it was only for one day; authoritarianism is authoritarianism. The premise was basically Innoxia's hurt feelings. Nobody reasonably believed that Innoxia's hurt feelings would be completely and objectively recovered by the next version and we would all be allowed to go back to normal. It's reminding me of other "lockdown" events going on, right now. I hate being proven right about all this, because who wants to be right about this stuff?

EDIT:
Basically, get used to being here on f95 (until it inevitably gets converted into another hugbox). I'd even go so far as to say Innoxia has been continually involved with recent moderator actions, because the removed posts are aligned with the catalyst for when Innoxia decided to shut down comments: which was when people started posting links in the comments showing screenshots of Innoxia's Discord posts along with other posts in it.

Either way, this is our new forefront for discussion on the game, for now. We'd better protect it with all we have, or we'll lose this one, too. I guarantee it, because there are people here already doing their job to undermine the little freedom that we even have here. I know this, because the people behind what's happened so far all sound the exact same way and use the exact same excuses when defending Innoxia from our criticisms. So, be wary and be strong.

 

[garand_m12]

So is the multiple penis feature is actually in the current build or na, also how do you get the transformation

 

[bobomb]

I see, that would solve the issue since they wouldn't persist. The fact that each persists unless you specifically do something to scare them off is the issue with random NPCs. This, however, will not solve the issue with NPCs like the quest givers as they have to remain.


Or I'm not and you didn't load at least one on EVERY tile. There are multiple random capable tiles in that image that do not have NPCs. You are close to the limit, but you aren't there yet. Of course, good luck getting an image to prove it when you really do hit it since the game sometimes crashes completely just by trying to load a save with that many loaded NPCs.


Indeed, sad but true. I will go down with the ship, however. This is more than most experienced developers working in teams can chew, they would absolutely not have recommended doing it alone and I still stand with them on that. This is on the edge of big company developer territory.

Nine zones, not eight, by the way, and that doesn't include the settlements like Dominion or Elis.


That would be the end of the game for a different reason. A lot of people are expecting it to move out of Dominion as planned because we have been told it would for years. A lot of people would be even angrier than I am now if the plan to do the other areas got abandoned. A lot of those would leave, some would complain, very few would remain despite the decision.

The only way it should be abandoned is if the whole game is.


Mine's no joke, either, but even a hadron collider would have issues because this is in the engine or game, not in the PC. The program can only do so much as it is now regardless of what your PC has in it. The same is an issue with Illusion's second to last game on a more severe level.


I see


The benefit is literally to get rid of that down time. There's a reason people here call RPGM the walking simulator, because you have to walk everywhere, potentially over long distances, to get to the next NPC to talk to. Spreading the existing content out would mitigate this by having content along the path instead of just empty traveling.

The reason the overworld, that's the blank canvas that is supposed to be the fields right now, is so empty is because all content is crammed into Dominion. Move some of it out into the fields and, boom, no longer empty AND you solve the over-saturation of content inside Dominion, two birds with one stone.


Indeed it does, but it can also be a problem if the boss is too strict.


Another lie, I suppose. That's fine, disabling the comments means anyone who goes to the blog can read just how long the delay cycle has gone on.


The only reason there is no scenery is because Inno has gotten sidetracked repeatedly by side content instead of getting the fields out. If the fields had been out in August as it seemed it was supposed to be, there would be plenty in the fields for a first release of the area even with those stupid Nyan and race reworks getting in the way.


I think what he meant was the computers needed to run the hadron collider, which are within supercomputer territory if I remember correctly.


Exactly

I'm pretty sure that's all of them. If you see one I missed let me know. Ha! I found one.