Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[anubis1970]

If this is true, I'm terrified of how it'll be going forward.

Hoping against hope that with the break progress will return to a decent pace with fewer distractions and unneeded side missions.

I'm pretty relaxed and forgiving when it comes to development delays from devs, but I'm beginning to get disillusioned with the progress on LT.

 

[tehlemon]

So how are we supposed to make money in the game the right way? I mean I could save scum the Casino and get into fights and steal people's clothes and sell them but both really seem like exploits and not the intended money making way.

There's not really a legit way to make money.

Like, your options are basically these:
- Slave milking exploit to make millions
- One shot spam mobs to collect all their clothes (use a storm for easy winning)
- Casino cheese - Breeding game is easiest
- Prostitution cheese - This can also get you level 50 at the same time, because why not.

All of the options are basically cheese.

The casino one is extra stupid on a ton of levels too, but it's has a huge downside so it's not worth it.

First, when pregnancy is decided isn't when the "risk of pregnancy" buff goes away. Every person in the game doesn't *actually* have a chance; I've literally never seen anyone past the first two win. 90% of the time the person who goes first in the game will always be the one who wins.

Second, the randomizer that decides who goes first is incredibly bad. It updates when you take some actions, like using a slot machine, but not when you, say, play the game. So if you make a save, you can keep starting the breeding game until you go first. If you don't, reload, roll a slot machine once, try again. And when you do go first, you're now going first *every time you play* until you take a different action. Just play, win, step out of the room, step back in the room, play again. You can basically play the game and win an unlimited number of times to make 10k a pop.

It's real dumb, but you shouldn't do it. Because all of the children created are tracked. So once you make enough money to be set, you'll have so many children in the world that your game will run like shit.

I *really* don't recommend the most legit method, spamming fight and stealing clothes. The inventory system is such garbo in this game that you'll get carpel before making enough money to be worth it. I honestly save edit to remove items from my inventory rather than trying to spam sell pages of stuff.

There's no real legit, no cheesy way to make money in the game. So I now just go with whatever method is the least likely to ruin the game's performance.

 

[Golden_Buddy]

First, when pregnancy is decided isn't when the "risk of pregnancy" buff goes away. Every person in the game doesn't *actually* have a chance; I've literally never seen anyone past the first two win. 90% of the time the person who goes first in the game will always be the one who wins.

here is the thing you can cheat using the barren perk if you are wanting to be the one to get pregnant and decide who is going to win by pick your horse and turning on the barren perk but if your trying to be a stud just don't their is a on in 6 chance you win and you get 20000 compared to the 50000 from guessing right/deactivating barren when it is the guy you bet on use three mother's milk give birth repeat

 

[tehlemon]

here is the thing you can cheat using the barren perk if you are wanting to be the one to get pregnant and decide who is going to win by pick your horse and turning on the barren perk but if your trying to be a stud just don't their is a on in 6 chance you win and you get 20000 compared to the 50000 from guessing right/deactivating barren when it is the guy you bet on use three mother's milk give birth repeat

I didn't even think to do that. Makes perfect sense.

The problem with that method though, you can't repeat it. It's not really a good money making method if you're only able to make like 50k every in-game week. It's just an added bonus to one of the other methods.

 

[jessiespill]

Where do i find the rose for rose

 

[Sarkath]

Wait, are you implying that hitting a JavaScript interpreter hundreds of times every time the player moves in order to fetch a bunch of text that won't be displayed is unoptimized?

Just did some slightly deeper investigation into this and it looks like Inno is using the JavaScript engine as a huge, overweight conditionals parser. Y'all know all of those #IF directives buried in the XML files? Yeah. Those get eval'd. NPCs, locations, and all sorts of fantastic stuff uses that system. In the case of NPCs, the game will stuff a number of NPCs into "npc"/"npcX" objects (where X is an incrementing number for characters beyond the first one), and player companions—if the player has enabled and in their party—into "com"/"comX" objects, then evaluate the conditional.

On a fairly new test save (one with no slaves and no children), sleeping for 8 hours resulted in over 1000 eval() calls. Holy. Fuck.

Naturally, there's also the chance of this being used for malicious purposes, such as if Inno were to put a non-static file save method into the Game object or whatever. As of right now, all they can really do is mess with the current save data (at least as far as I can tell). Want a quick example? Close LT, open up "res/race/dsg/bear/subspecies/bear.xml", and search for the #IF line. Change it to this:

#IF(game.getPlayer().setName("lol") || targetedRace==RACE_dsg_bear)

Open LT and load a saved game. Your character's name will now be "lol" (it's not permanent—just undo the changes, restart the game, and reload your game and it should be back to normal). Just as a PSA, I'd highly recommend closely vetting mods since I'm sure there's probably something worse buried in this tangled web of classes.

Where do i find the rose for rose

There are three parks around Domination that have rose gardens in them. If you leave Lilaya's Manor, the closest one is down three spaces, left two, and down one. Select the "rose garden" option and you'll be given a rose. You can collect one rose, per park, per day.

 

[Golden_Buddy]

I didn't even think to do that. Makes perfect sense.

The problem with that method though, you can't repeat it. It's not really a good money making method if you're only able to make like 50k every in-game week. It's just an added bonus to one of the other methods.

the item "mother's milk" advances pregnancies by 1 stage and 3 of them from pregnancy risk will put you into ready to birth mode go to your aunt give birth

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

I *really* don't recommend the most legit method, spamming fight and stealing clothes. The inventory system is such garbo in this game that you'll get carpel before making enough money to be worth it. I honestly save edit to remove items from my inventory rather than trying to spam sell pages of stuff.

If you want to become a second hand trader, do harpies to level up and only loot the better jewelry they wear and then move to demons and only take their weapons. They spawn with up to two feathers/stones worth 10k each and since they stack you only need to sell one or two lines at most.
For bonus money, enchant their necklaces and sell the demon as well.

 

[X3h0n]

So how are we supposed to make money in the game the right way? I mean I could save scum the Casino and get into fights and steal people's clothes and sell them but both really seem like exploits and not the intended money making way.

I personally like to make money by going to the 'very dangerous' red alleyway tiles and enslaving the demons that spawn there. They spawn consistently almost every time you explore them and each of them nets you about 50k profit at minimum, no training or anything needed. You do need slave collars and the ability to beat them, but neither is all that hard to get IMO.

 

[jimboinlimbo]

If this is true, I'm terrified of how it'll be going forward.

Something like this, "Update to 3.100/5 patch notes" we will never leave the starting city.

 

[Taak]

v0.3.20

 

[Scapdra1]

The best part of this is Inno fixed the 0 corruption display error on youko but couldn't be bothered to fix their transformation menu.

 

[tehlemon]

Just did some slightly deeper investigation into this and it looks like Inno is using the JavaScript engine as a huge, overweight conditionals parser. Y'all know all of those #IF directives buried in the XML files? Yeah. Those get eval'd. NPCs, locations, and all sorts of fantastic stuff uses that system. In the case of NPCs, the game will stuff a number of NPCs into "npc"/"npcX" objects (where X is an incrementing number for characters beyond the first one), and player companions—if the player has enabled and in their party—into "com"/"comX" objects, then evaluate the conditional.

On a fairly new test save (one with no slaves and no children), sleeping for 8 hours resulted in over 1000 eval() calls. Holy. Fuck.

Naturally, there's also the chance of this being used for malicious purposes, such as if Inno were to put a non-static file save method into the Game object or whatever. As of right now, all they can really do is mess with the current save data (at least as far as I can tell). Want a quick example? Close LT, open up "res/race/dsg/bear/subspecies/bear.xml", and search for the #IF line. Change it to this:

#IF(game.getPlayer().setName("lol") || targetedRace==RACE_dsg_bear)

Open LT and load a saved game. Your character's name will now be "lol" (it's not permanent—just undo the changes, restart the game, and reload your game and it should be back to normal). Just as a PSA, I'd highly recommend closely vetting mods since I'm sure there's probably something worse buried in this tangled web of classes.

There are three parks around Domination that have rose gardens in them. If you leave Lilaya's Manor, the closest one is down three spaces, left two, and down one. Select the "rose garden" option and you'll be given a rose. You can collect one rose, per park, per day.

Oh fuck, that is so much worse than I expected.

The hardest part of my own project is creating the massive file parser needed to allow modded content of all types. The absolute last thing I would have thought to use is fucking JavaScript. I did consider using HTML/CSS for the main text output, just to make formatting super easy and modifiable with CSS. Just convert the presentable scene to HTML and toss it on screen, super easy. I'm going to bet that she thought the same and then just expanded from there.

And I'm not at all surprised she didn't implement any sanity checking into the system. A lot of this stuff seems to be her grabbing the simplest solution for the current problem and then running with it way further than she should. Adding sanity checking isn't simple.

I'd ask you where in the project files all of this is, but I trashed my copy of the games source code a few days ago and I don't care enough to redownload it lol

the item "mother's milk" advances pregnancies by 1 stage and 3 of them from pregnancy risk will put you into ready to birth mode go to your aunt give birth

That's still adding a lot of extra steps to make the process repeatable. Being the stud lets you just spam the shit out of it non-stop. It might be worth 1/5th of the profit per repeat, but if you can do them 20x as fast it's a way better option.

If you want to become a second hand trader, do harpies to level up and only loot the better jewelry they wear and then move to demons and only take their weapons. They spawn with up to two feathers/stones worth 10k each and since they stack you only need to sell one or two lines at most.
For bonus money, enchant their necklaces and sell the demon as well.

But I said I *don't* want to be a trader. Because the inventory system is gaaarrrbbboooo...

I'll save edit before I try and make money off anything inventory based.

The best part of this is Inno fixed the 0 corruption display error on youko but couldn't be bothered to fix their transformation menu.

I'm honestly not 100% convinced that Inno even fixed all those bugs. In the past contributors have fixed a ton of weird bugs like that kind of thing, but this patch they didn't fix any? I'm guessing they fixed just as many bugs as they normally do in a three week period and just weren't given credit.

 

[smkey21]

The most recent blog post is all kinds of depressing. Reading "Inno speak" it sounds like March is a total bust, we will get some excuses in April, and maybe in May there will be a lackluster update. Meanwhile fields have been getting "worked on" since 2020, yet there's still nothing to show for it after too many delays to reasonably keep track of. This game has been nothing but contributions getting merged for months. I guess I'll follow the dev's example and take a 'break' until June to see if anything actually gets done.

 

[throbzombie]

"I've been feeling increasingly fatigued and stressed over the past few weeks, and I'm now at the point where my progress on LT has become but a shadow of what it once was."

That's fucking precious considering that she's admitted that she's just plain goofing off at least once. Hey Inno, maybe instead of making it so that I have to put my .jar in a specific directory, you can make it so that I don't have to use an outdated version of JDK to build this?

 

[HippoDog420]

Lol spends months slacking on progress, then talked about how she needs several weeks of break. 10/10

 

[alex2011]

So how are we supposed to make money in the game the right way? I mean I could save scum the Casino and get into fights and steal people's clothes and sell them but both really seem like exploits and not the intended money making way.

There's no real set intended way to make money, only a selection of options to do so with.

So, Inno has finally decided to take "a couple of weeks off" to rest and recover. Given the fact we usually get a release a month, that means we're looking at a month and half, at best, without new content. Two months, if you want to be more conservative. I can already imagine some people rolling their eyes at my post "Inno is not doing well, yet all you care about is more content, more releases!". Which I guess is kind of fair.

I wonder if this is beginning of the end for this game... at least she didn't just disappear without saying a word this time around. I'll give her that, at the very least. On the flip side, hey, a few Field-oriented morphs are in the game now. I could think of a few roleplay scenarios with a piggy-morph. If you want to be optimistic, maybe it's a sign that Inno actually intends to release the Fields sometime this year.

And this is content that is already multiple months late after the last time Inno said it was almost ready, as a lie, and almost three years total since it was initially supposed to be ready, in 2018, before the delays really started to set in against this very specific part of development.

I normally say that a dev should take all the time they need, but devs don't normally take this long to get this far. This is the absolute worst time to take a break and only serves to add more negativity to Inno's record, which is already abysmal.

The reason for Inno's break, as stated by Inno in the most recent post, is stress related. That stress likely comes from all the negativity. Inno would not be getting this negativity if they actually tried to act like they said they were going to, but Inno is making absolutely no effort to 'treat development like a full time job' let alone actually make real progress. In other words, all this stress is entirely their fault to begin with.

I would agree with your assessment, we aren't just looking at the beginning of the end for LT, we are looking at the developer forcing the game on life support when it is already dead.

My current implementation rolls on permission settings. Right now, every call to those methods hinges on two things: permission checks and location checks. By relocating those two checks into the permissions method and only looping through slaves who meet said permissions, it would drastically (and properly) reduce the number of slaves to only the number that have the potential to pass those checks. The only reason all of them can't be placed in permissions is some of those checks rely on time passed which is on a per-tile basis. It's not perfect, but it should cover every applicable slave without covering every slave.

You technically know how many encounters you need at a minimum because the map is static, but the problem lies in repeatable encounters and rare encounters (e.g. Enforcer encounters), and encounters that you can remove (e.g. alleyway attackers) which would be replaced with something else.

I don't really have the time to invest into solo reworking an entire game engine though. I've got a fulltime job as well lol

Hey, take your time and do what you can and want to get done. We'll be happy with whatever fixes you can come up with. Your life comes first and foremost, so if you need to stop, don't worry about it. It would be nice if you would let us kknow if and when that happens, though.

Please tell me Inno isn't actually still collecting money from patreon and subscribestar for this? She/he/whatever has promised 0.4.0 for like half a year, and has constantly cut down on promised content, while collecting thousands of dollars. It's kind of ridiculous, it's not quite as bad as what the New Life dev does, but still pretty shitty. I'm kinda pissed and i'm not even a subscriber of Inno, I feel bad for the people who actually pay for this.

Hasn't Inno been putting things off for like half a year, and there are still some simps supporting her/him/helicopter, it's pretty silly. I bet it'll come out by June at the earliest.

They are still collecting and I feel bad for the subscribers who don't know any better as well, not so much the ones who did it knowing what Inno is like.

I could definitely see June as the earliest, but now I'm going to say December...3034.

If this is true, I'm terrified of how it'll be going forward.

As am I, this game does not deserve this kind of mistreatment.

Man, where are the bookers who create bets? I am actually interested in doing a betting pool when/if 0.4.0 comes out.

Would not at all be one of the options?

Where do i find the rose for rose

Those are in rose bushes, which are in the parks, which are the tiles with the green icons outside the mansion.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

At this point, I think people are just here for the entertainment value in watching Inno fail.

I mean, that's funny and all. But... we're not getting a game, if this keeps up. Are we crabs in a bucket? Or, are we genuinely interested in seeing the game succeed?

 

[tehlemon]

At this point, I think people are just here for the entertainment value in watching Inno fail.

I mean, that's funny and all. But... we're not getting a game, if this keeps up. Are we crabs in a bucket? Or, are we genuinely interested in seeing the game succeed?

I mean, I'm definitely here for the entertainment of watching what happens. We're in a pandemic and I'm bored. Only so much Blaseball I can watch.

But I definitely wouldn't say I'm rooting for failure. I have low expectations, but I'd be ecstatic if Inno could exceed them.

But I still won't avoid laughing at how stupid this is just because it might be stressing Inno out. We're her potential customers. If my potential customers were laughing at my failure, I'd be pretty stressed out too. But I wouldn't be taking a month off.

Edit;
And you know what's funny about all this, we know Inno watches this thread. She turned off comments on her blog to stop potential customers seeing the delays being laughed at, but she couldn't resist watching what we're saying. So some might say that we're partially responsible for her being stressed. And sure, we are. But damn, I just checked how a few other sites that talk about the game are reacting, and we're wayyy nicer than any of them.

I wonder if she's watching those lol

 

[PussyPassAnon]

You make fair points. Innoxia did bring this on themselves. Won't hire help, but can't handle the job alone? Yeah, all people can really do is poke fun and criticize. It's just a really sad situation to watch unfold.