Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

Carl0sDanger · Aug 2, 2020

0nymous said:
I'll believe it when I see it.
And judging by the current pace of development, I'll be seeing it somewhere around 2035.

Well, as I said, in the next month or so we'll see whether or not it's the case. The content (unwisely, IMHO) promised to Inno's former Patrons is about to be tied up (v0.3.9). If after that point she's still tweaking things in Dominion and buggering around with mechanics that will have to be revisited later anyway instead of getting on with the actual game she claims to want to make, I'll have to revise my position.

All any of us have to be going on here is the stated intent of the dev, the example of games that have successfully followed a similar development path (I mentioned one that is chugging along quite well, making money every month for its devs) and the extent to which we believe Inno has a genuine intent to follow through with her promises. The first two are known quantities, the third ... as I said, we'll know for sure pretty soon. At the moment, the delays are explainable by Inno's lack of experience and competence.

My patience with Inno isn't inexhaustible; it just hasn't been exhausted yet. It's entirely possible, I suppose, that I'll be posting here in a month or so that I've revoked my subscription and will get back to Inno when she delivers a working Foloi Fields and town of Elis.

0nymous · Aug 2, 2020

Carl0sDanger said:
Well, as I said, in the next month or so we'll see whether or not it's the case.

LT has been in 0.3 for 2 years (and growing, the delay of 0.3.9 has been delayed, who knows what delays await the delays of other delays).
If it's going to take 6 more major builds to reach 1.0 that's 12 more years. 2020+12 = 2032. Sorry, I was off by 3 years I guess.

Pink Chaos · Aug 2, 2020

jimboinlimbo said:
I hate when people scream "M-make your own g-game then!" its just a scream of defeat since now you're asking randoms to make a new game because the one they're critiquing isn't going anywhere. Just admit that we will never leave the main city and that the dev is taking as much time as possible to do nothing to bank roll off the Patreons.

I'm not even saying that you should go and make a game or that only people who make games have a right to opinions. I'm saying that if you tried to make a game the way you're advocating, your work would never end. It's called scope creep and it's a major killer of games. I'll repeat that, again, Lilith's Throne suffers from a major case of scope creep. And if the game creator implemented those changes that you can make to major characters, it'd take even longer to get to more story stuff.

Riviar · Aug 2, 2020

Just chipping in my two cents. As I mentioned sometime ago, dev claims it is their full-time job. For that reason only, the development progress is unacceptable. Then features get removed as they are "hassle to deal with" (companions), while there was no update even slightly touching it for ages. So it obviously didn't impede anything, it was just random, unexplained decision.
My take on this is the dev has absolutely no idea where to go with the game and is currently trying to hide it by doing silly, little, simple tweaks in existing mechanics.

I may be mistaken, and I really wish I am, but that is my current stance on state of things with LT.

bigguy_foryou · Aug 2, 2020

Honestly it seems a combination of being constantly distracted with neat but small ideas and a need to perfect their own work. I'm not paying for it so I don't care, but I sort of sympathize, it's not easy.

NoStepOnSnek · Aug 2, 2020

Riviar said:
Then features get removed as they are "hassle to deal with" (companions), while there was no update even slightly touching it for ages. So it obviously didn't impede anything, it was just random, unexplained decision.

You've got it backwards...
It's the companions that were touching everything else. All the encounters starting shortly before the Siren quest accounted for their presence. That's great attention to detail but simply not sustainable for a single dev even at imaginary critics fulltime, let alone normal fulltime.

joeys88 · Aug 3, 2020

Pink Chaos said:
I'm not even saying that you should go and make a game or that only people who make games have a right to opinions. I'm saying that if you tried to make a game the way you're advocating, your work would never end. It's called scope creep and it's a major killer of games. I'll repeat that, again, Lilith's Throne suffers from a major case of scope creep. And if the game creator implemented those changes that you can make to major characters, it'd take even longer to get to more story stuff.

While I'll agree there's plenty of suggested changes that fall into that category, keeping Scarlett's changes while she's a slave is not one of them. Each character is its own object, there's nothing to account for here. For the helena questline its as simple as new Scarlett object = player companion, and then deleting the companion. There's also no story line need to account for fetishes here. You can't change scarlett's personality(This is one change I'd understand not implementing if it ever becomes a thing), she's going to act the same way regardless of what she wants sexually. Even haughty and bossy people can be submissive in the bedroom if you're worried about that being her fetish. If they do something like making her hate oral or exhibitionism, disable the lunch oral scene. It's a simple check, and it's entirely on the player for making her like that and missing out on that content(Just like disabling anal also disables Vicky's scenes).

Nothing in her storyline would be broken by changing her orientation either.

Bartex · Aug 3, 2020

Awesome game

Order of White Lilies · Aug 3, 2020

I'm curious in character creation the speech traits mention "mute" as being mutually exclusive with them but that doesn't appear in character creation is that text just a placeholder or do you get it later on.

quiboune · Aug 4, 2020

Ban_Doll said:
I'm curious in character creation the speech traits mention "mute" as being mutually exclusive with them but that doesn't appear in character creation is that text just a placeholder or do you get it later on.

It's NPC exclusive and the player isn't supposed to ever get it. This would be a nice opportunity for Innoxia to make gags and such receive special treatment during dialogue, in my opinion (by adding different scenes for when the player is unable to speak for whatever reason), but alas.

Order of White Lilies · Aug 4, 2020

quiboune said:
It's NPC exclusive and the player isn't supposed to ever get it. This would be a nice opportunity for Innoxia to make gags and such receive special treatment during dialogue, in my opinion (by adding different scenes for when the player is unable to speak for whatever reason), but alas.

I actually found that you can get in via the debug menu and it screws with sex scenes locking out options that require you to talk. I didn't test it during quests so IDK if it screws with those.

brokenmicrophone · Aug 4, 2020

Anybody ever run into a problem with sex with high-affection characters (slaves or otherwise) suddenly deciding it's rape/resisting?

quiboune · Aug 4, 2020

brokenmicrophone said:
Anybody ever run into a problem with sex with high-affection characters (slaves or otherwise) suddenly deciding it's rape/resisting?

If you do something they hate or if you're too rough they will start resisting, high-affection or not, and that might end the sex if they have the power to do so.

brokenmicrophone · Aug 5, 2020

That doesn't surprise me, this is like instantly after the first action (including doing nothing). Maxed out affection and obedience, and starting sex is all the positive flavor text and then immediately resisting pace and even if ended with no action, the full -200 affection.

quiboune · Aug 5, 2020

brokenmicrophone said:
That doesn't surprise me, this is like instantly after the first action (including doing nothing). Maxed out affection and obedience, and starting sex is all the positive flavor text and then immediately resisting pace and even if ended with no action, the full -200 affection.

That is weird. Could it be a sexual orientation problem?

Sarkath · Aug 5, 2020

brokenmicrophone said:
That doesn't surprise me, this is like instantly after the first action (including doing nothing). Maxed out affection and obedience, and starting sex is all the positive flavor text and then immediately resisting pace and even if ended with no action, the full -200 affection.

I've had them immediately enter a resisting pace if they have the "unwilling fuck-toy" fetish, but in that case the encounter still ended with positive affection (though it made me not want to fuck them again). I personally haven't had that happen with high affection characters before.

Does that happen often for you, or was that just a one-off thing?

boloyolo · Aug 5, 2020

The Rat Warrens are literally cursed content.

Version 0.3.9 Release

Hello!

Once again, I'm so sorry for how long it's taken me to release this version. I got tied up with adding some new content for the Rat Warrens, and then with the spa content and Elemental rework, and everything just seemed to keep on going wrong throughout the whole thing.

Unfortunately, at the last minute I've found a couple more issues which really need to be addressed in the Rat Warrens content, so I've left the ability to start that quest disabled for now (and you should not continue with the quest if you've already started it on your save). The Elemental rework and spa content should be working, however, so at least there are a couple of new things to see in this version.

Finally, I haven't managed to address all of the reported bugs in v0.3.8.9, so there is a high likelihood that this version will be a little buggy. I'll do my best to get a hotfix out as soon as possible (hopefully by the end of the weekend).

Sorry again for how much of a disaster this version has been. It seems as though whenever I work on the Rat Warrens, everything goes wrong...

P.S. Thank you all so much for your support! I'll do my very best to make the next few versions much better than this one.

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