Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]
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NoStepOnSnek
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Buying Bree is a lot like having your kids/guests live with you tbh. Lots of people really really wanted the ability but it's kinda... lame on its own. I think Inno mentioned that in hindsight, enslaving uniques is a bit of a waste and she'd rather keep them available somewhere else in the future. Like the NPC's in the latest quest just becoming each other's slave and having scenes there.
I prefer that as well but it's mostly pointless if sex with them is still generic. Innoxia should make sex more unique and make adding exclusive dialogue and actions easier so that all unique characters can get that treatment in the future, through official means or otherwise.
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Pretentious Goblin
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I was surprised at the SPH that comes with playing a character with a small dick. Not that I'm complaining since that's my jam but imagine inserting yourself in the game, with your small wiener, and just immediately having it laughed at and called inadequate every time you whip it out... is there any more of that in the game?
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There's also the way of putting several slaves with use you permission in your room and sleeping while they are there. Don't know the exact conditions, but I had several instances of waking up do get manhandled by two slaves.
It's really badly signposted for the player (which is to say not at all). Everything else has giant neon arrows pointing to it, entire quests dedicated to explaining how enchanting works, how pregnancy works, hell, there's even quest dialogue explaining away such irrelevant details as how you can comfortably wear clothes taken from people of grossly different body size (the clothes magically adjust). But how to do transformations in this transformation game? Nothing, nada, not a peep, not one line of dialogue anywhere pointing you in the right direction.
I don't remember it having fetish changes in it too, but maybe I missed that. It's been a while since I've played through the game from the very beginning.
The "Essences and Enchantments" dialogue that becomes available with Lilaya once the MC has had sex in the "new world" for the first time explicitly says that consumables can be enchanted.
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Now, that could be better explained (giving the MC the resulting feline transformation potion would seem a pretty simple way of getting across that this is how to make transformation potions) and a short tutorial would be even better than an explanation, but to say that this mechanic is "not even hinted at" is simply not true.
Two issues with that. First, this is a very early quest, and by that I mean you'll likely get it within one or two tiles of Lilaya's home (since it's triggered by gaining essences, which doesn't require sex per se, simply defeating someone in combat is enough, and there's an arcane storm going on, so you'll get jumped the moment you come out the door). So a new player reading this scene is almost certainly going to have no idea what a Feline Fancy is, and by the time they find one later they will have forgotten that it was used in Lilaya's demonstration.
Secondly, even if they do remember that, do you notice what critical information is missing from that scene? She tells you this is how you unseal clothing, she tells you this is how you identify items (which I don't recall ever doing, is that even a mechanic that exists?), but what she does in fact not even hint at is that this is how you create transformation items. Which of these various uses of the enchanting system do you think new players coming to this transformation game care about the most, and which should therefore be mentioned front and center?
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Sometimes you find unidentified clothing that can have positive or negative enchantments. You can either let a shop identify the item for a bit of money, or you can spend arcane essences to identify it yourself.
When Brax uses it it'll give you Submissive, but oddly enough Brax's Surprise doesn't seem to have that
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All the explanations and clarifications in the world will mean nothing if people aren't willing to read them in the first place. Yes, there are people who choose to play text games but then completely bypass the text presented to them, because all they care about (in this particular example) is the mechanics and sandbox elements the game has, not the story, aka "text dumps", that sometimes contain useful information. We have witnessed this behavior here, in the comment section of the author's blog and on the Discord.
Call me arrogant and high-and-mighty if you will, but if a good chunk of the community managed to learn how the game works without needing to be spoon-fed, do we really need to change things now? Or are we better off pushing people to be a little less lazy, pay attention to the text (it's a text game, reading is part of it) and to experiment with the game mechanics, to discover? It almost looks like some folks nowadays can't do anything that doesn't come with a clear and concise spreadsheet or instructions...
I'm not saying certain things can't be clarified, if it really looks like a lot of people are having trouble... but I have to ask where do we draw the line. And if the problem really is the game and the way it is presented, or if the issue also lies with the players themselves. The author could make an effort to improve things, yes, but these people need to change how they approach the game as well. Middle-ground.
All the explanations and clarifications in the world will mean nothing if people aren't willing to read them in the first place. Yes, there are people who choose to play text games but then completely bypass the text presented to them, because all they care about (in this particular example) is the mechanics and sandbox elements the game has, not the story, aka "text dumps", that sometimes contain useful information. We have witnessed this behavior here, in the comment section of the author's blog and on the Discord.
Call me arrogant and high-and-mighty if you will, but if a good chunk of the community managed to learn how the game works without needing to be spoon-fed, do we really need to change things now? Or are we better off pushing people to be a little less lazy, pay attention to the text (it's a text game, reading is part of it) and to experiment with the game mechanics, to discover? It almost looks like some folks nowadays can't do anything that doesn't come with a clear and concise spreadsheet or instructions...
I'm not saying certain things can't be clarified, if it really looks like a lot of people are having trouble... but I have to ask where do we draw the line. And if the problem really is the game and the way it is presented, or if the issue also lies with the players themselves. The author could make an effort to improve things, yes, but these people need to change how they approach the game as well. Middle-ground.
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The point is the game does spoon-feed you info about how every little thing works, except for this one major thing. I'd have no problem with the game not explaining anything. But I do have a problem with it not explaining this one thing precisely because it explains everything else. This expectation of being spoon-fed is created by the game itself.
But what if something does come with clear and concise instructions for every step, except a step is missing from those instructions, so if you follow them, you end up with an incorrect result? Who do you blame then, yourself or the maker of the instructions?
Sure, I'll give you that there's an inconsistency in how the game is delivered. It could be improved. But that still doesn't change the fact a portion of the people who play this game deliberately ignore the text delivered to them because they are ""text dumps"", because they don't care about the story, and therefore, are missing the parts that tell them how the game works. Is the developer at blame here? Again, both parties need to meet at a middle-ground.
I mean, yes, but those people are playing the wrong game.
What the fuck is this bullshit?
If the story isn't enough to get people to read it you can't punish them for that, but what SordidDreams is saying is that the game does NOT tell the reader, interested or otherwise, how it works.
This is just wrong, the middle ground here is not the right spot. The game is "flawed" and the dev is at blame for that. It's such a trivial thing that you could call it a typo, a bug, but it's still the Dev's fault.
Like I said, really small mistake, but still a mistake. I usually prefer discreet tutorials, with little to no red circles or "now grab this item and repeat what I just did", but that's a personal and probably less popular preference. In a sandbox game such as LT having clear instructions is a necessity, even more if you consider the mental state the players will be in while playing (porn game after all).
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yes i didn't know how to play the game at first after i learned how to play i didn't transform my self until a couple of days later irl and when i read some where that a item could be used to transformation potion then i got it then cheek out the enchantment menu. first transformation was into a alligatortuar so the menu is easy to learn by looking at it but getting it is not explained at all even in reading the quest to unlock it, all it does is give a description of what it can do. adding a book in the library to explain it could be useful to new/unexperienced players for the transformation part of the game
I'm am sorry for rambling on